Other Games Tonight
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@BShark wow they were 13 at half time, Scott Drew maybe on his way out. No doubt he put them on the map after literally the murderous past they had but he’s done very little with some talented teams.
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Some positives from the Dook route, anytime UK loses its good, we are closer in all time wins and now we don’t have the worst loss in the Champions Classic anymore. We also we beat a top 10 team lol good night folks and as always Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
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@kjayhawks I think most of their alumni and fan base expect a rebuilding year here. They lost 8 players, 4 of which were actual rotation players and quite frankly their 4 best players. They took in five transfers, including 2 JUCO guys and a grad transfer. All three of their FR played tonight and none of them are guys you want playing right away. All this loss from an NIT team.
I don’t think Drew will be on the hot seat. Now, if they aren’t better and in tournament contention next year? Then I think it gets interesting.
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Oh boy…
Goodman: "I think this was the worst loss of your career…
Cal: “Is it? So why would it come from you?”
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At least we can go under the radar now that ESPN made Duke #1 in the power rankings. Cancel the season folks. Duke’s printing 40-0 shirts
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@BShark i watched that…love watching the squid explain losses.
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I think Duke put college basketball on notice last night. That was clinical and damn impressive. Zion is way better than I thought.
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Woodrow said:
I think Duke put college basketball on notice last night. That was clinical and damn impressive. Zion is way better than I thought.
Notice how all the top draft candidates showed out in front of scouts. I think that should be taken into consideration here. Barrett, Zion, Grimes, Reddish all had motivation here.
The Duke game is such an outlier to what will happen on average. RJ, Zion & Cam are not scoring 84 between the trio a game. They scored as many points as Kentucky did as a team. We’ve seen their potential but I’d imagine they don’t play up to it more then 3-5 games during the year
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Duke had 4 turnovers. The freshman trio took 53 shots. I would be very surprised if they played this good again
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Duke is scary good. May as well face that.
The boredom factor may help. They will probably get bored somewhere along the way and almost lose a game or two. We can hope. There’s always the ebbs and flows…
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No one had any tape on them yet. Seriously, that matters. They have three incredible players but it’s a large burden for 3 guys to shoulder game in, game out. They are good, will be a 1-2 seed, but I wouldn’t call them unbeatable yet. I wouldn’t call them 2012 UK or 09 UNC yet either.
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To whom it may interest, portions of shockernet have turned on GREGGGGGG.
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Keep all that Marshall/WSU news away from @Crimsonorblue22 – her head might explode. I know she’s a big fan. Losing to La. Tech? At home?
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BShark said:
No one had any tape on them yet. Seriously, that matters. They have three incredible players but it’s a large burden for 3 guys to shoulder game in, game out. They are good, will be a 1-2 seed, but I wouldn’t call them unbeatable yet. I wouldn’t call them 2012 UK or 09 UNC yet either.
Well stated.
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@Woodrow I spent a week trying to minimize Zion after he snubbed us, and he showed me how wrong I was, and all the hype was true and real. BShark nailed that one.
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@KUSTEVE Too bad Adidas went cheap on that one… just kidding.
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dylans said:
@KUSTEVE Too bad Adidas went cheap on that one… just kidding.
I guess we couldn’t find an 800k house in Lawrence somewhere…
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J. Quinerly G 17 1-4 1-4 0-0 0 0 0 3 0 0 2 0 3
OMG JAY WRIGHT DOESN’T PLAY FRESHMEN TAKE AWAY HIS STACKS. derpderpderp
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KUSTEVE said:
@Woodrow I spent a week trying to minimize Zion after he snubbed us, and he showed me how wrong I was, and all the hype was true and real. BShark nailed that one.
I remember people on the old Shiver website saying how Duke wasn’t going to be as good as people thought because RJ, Zion, and Reddish “all played the same position”. I kept telling them that K and Duke would figure it out and be just fine. I think it is going to work out.
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Duke is going to have a lot of games where they have the three best players on the floor. That’s tough to overcome, particularly in college basketball. The only thing that can hang Duke up is their lack of depth, but even having just two of those three available will be too much for most teams.
Kentucky will be fine. They aren’t going to be at a talent deficit in most any game the rest of the way, other than against KU. That game was in many ways like the game we had with Kentucky the Anthony Davis year. They just overwhelmed us in the early game because we had no answer for all of that talent.
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More good news from last night…
"Wichita State takes embarrassing L
Wichita State hasn’t missed an NCAA tournament since 2011, but the Shockers may have their work cut out for them to make it back to an eighth straight Big Dance. Gregg Marshall’s team was out-rebounded by 11 and shot just 37 percent from the field in a 71-58 loss to visiting Louisiana Tech Tuesday night. The loss marked the first time the Shockers have dropped a home opener since 1995.
Marshall has led WSU to at least 25 wins for nine straight seasons, but the makeup of this team is different. Nine of the 13 players on the Shockers roster are playing Division-I basketball for the first time. That inexperience was on full display in the lopsided loss to a Louisiana Tech team that went 16-17 last season."
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BShark said:
Bwag said:
Hard to root for Duke, but would love to see us gain 1 on UK
After interacting with fans of both, I’m cheering my ass off for UK.
lmao – so how did that work for ya? lol - -I can’t stand Kentucky - - I can’t stand Duke . but ummm didn’t have much to root about last night for sure then did ya?. - -Kentucky fans really couldn’t even blame the officials for this one - -I’m sure they will find something
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@BShark Texas is bad for sure , yet on the other hand was sure nice to see Andrew Jones on the floor , hope he continues his comeback. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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cragarhawk said:
They are gonna be a problem
BIG PROBLEM. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Let’s see If I’m not mistaken , yet if I’m right THIS will be the last year you will see a team like that - -doesn’t the new rule if it has been approved - this will be the last year for something like Duke has this year - the new rule with the NBA and the College players being able to Go to the NBA - -if it is , you won’t see players like these three play together ever again they will be in the NBA
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BShark said:
ACC play is a meat grinder, they will pick up some Ls there. Maybe only 2-3 but still. UNC, Virginia etc…
Not so sure , after seeing UNC play last night , I think UNC will be in real trouble against Duke
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BeddieKU23 said:
Duke had 4 turnovers. The freshman trio took 53 shots. I would be very surprised if they played this good again
…and UK had 15 turnovers. Duke with 10 steals to UK 1; a difference of 20 between turnovers and steals and probably worth 20-30 points. No doubt Duke is a very good team but it looked better because UK was exposed a a poor team that cannot shoot or play defense. I will be a long season for UK fans.
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The “perfect storm” at Wichita State is over and now it is back to mediocrity.
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
Bwag said:
Hard to root for Duke, but would love to see us gain 1 on UK
After interacting with fans of both, I’m cheering my ass off for UK.
lmao – so how did that work for ya? lol - -I can’t stand Kentucky - - I can’t stand Duke . but ummm didn’t have much to root about last night for sure then did ya?. - -Kentucky fans really couldn’t even blame the officials for this one - -I’m sure they will find something
They should have blamed their coach.
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@JayHawkFanToo Marshall is going to be kicking his own ass for not getting out of WSU before now. This season is going to cost him some money.
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No doubt. He should have left when he was hot. To his credit he showed loyalty and he is a very good coach so he will get his team playing better, although it might take a few years to get back up considering WSU is now playing in a much stronger conference.
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jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
ACC play is a meat grinder, they will pick up some Ls there. Maybe only 2-3 but still. UNC, Virginia etc…
Not so sure , after seeing UNC play last night , I think UNC will be in real trouble against Duke
I wouldn’t pick any team to beat Duke right now, but UNC will play them really tough at home.
Also, Wofford is a good team, they will make KU sweat too this year.
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@Woodrow @JayHawkFanToo On the other hand, WSU is a stable job where he gets 3.2 million a year. He makes more than coaches who have really tough jobs at schools like Illinois, NC State etc… He makes more than JAY freaking Wright and Belein. It’s a pretty sweet gig…
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@BShark I agree with all of that, but he is young and surely wants a tougher challenge and a chance to win a NC. He will move on at some point. Maybe UCLA? With his ego there is no doubt he wants to win at the highest level.
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@Woodrow I’m not sure. He can win a natty at WSU, he almost did it once before. He might be a lifer at WSU as he has already been there 11 years and turned down other jobs.
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He could have had the UCLA before and he passed…
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@JayHawkFanToo I think Marsha is a bit to big for his britches! Why did those guys leave last year? One kid would have been a starter. If we see what happens publically, what happens behind the gym door? I always heard that. Sooner or later that will cost him, if that’s true and he’s not winning, and guys keep transferring out. Then there’s his wife…
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This would be a better game if played in a few months between UK and Dook. As some have mentioned UK had 15 TOs to Dooks 4, Dook probably isn’t going to shoot the ball as well as they did from ether the floor or 3 point land every game and UK probably won’t shoot it that bad often ether. UK has very little size compared to most years, Travis was on Zion a fair amount last night and tho he is listed at 6’8, Zion at 6’7 he looked shorter Zion. Zion still has plenty to improve on, I think all but 5 of his points came from a Dunk/lay up or Fts. It will be interesting to see him battle some guys that are bigger than him inside.
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kjayhawks said:
This would be a better game if played in a few months between UK and Dook. As some have mentioned UK had 15 TOs to Dooks 4, Dook probably isn’t going to shoot the ball as well as they did from ether the floor or 3 point land every game and UK probably won’t shoot it that bad often ether. UK has very little size compared to most years, Travis was on Zion a fair amount last night and tho he is listed at 6’8, Zion at 6’7 he looked shorter Zion. Zion still has plenty to improve on, I think all but 5 of his points came from a Dunk/lay up or Fts. It will be interesting to see him battle some guys that are bigger than him inside.
Duke beats that UK team by double digits 9 out of 10 times. And probably wins 99 out of 100. Which definitely lends itself to how good I think Duke is. But it also speaks to how bad UK is.
UK can’t play D and Cal is one of the worst offensive coaches in D1 Basketball. And I don’t think they have the talent to overcome his piss poor in game coaching ability like they normally do.
They play a decent Southern Illinois team on Friday and I’m already telling you to put them on upset alert.
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@BShark I don’t think it was the Coach- - I think they just got their ASS spanked by superior players. - -The have the most talented 3 players in the game – -HANDS DOWN. – when you get your ass spank by 34 and could of been worse if K hadn’t pulled his starters with over 4 minutes to go - that was just a good old ass back behind the shed ass whupping. Even Coach Cal - -said their Coach was better – they were just better - -can’t agree they just flat got their ass beat plain and simple - -no excuses. Way to may turnovers - - plain BEAT DOWN - - I myself LOVED IT – this was not on the Coach
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Strongly disagree. Calipari is a bad offensive coach and it showed last night. He also had no answers to get UK coherent on defense. His line-up choice to start the 2nd half was a joke.
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BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
ACC play is a meat grinder, they will pick up some Ls there. Maybe only 2-3 but still. UNC, Virginia etc…
Not so sure , after seeing UNC play last night , I think UNC will be in real trouble against Duke
I wouldn’t pick any team to beat Duke right now, but UNC will play them really tough at home.
Also, Wofford is a good team, they will make KU sweat too this year.
ehh O doubt that. for one UNC played them at their place – for two - -we play them at the phog and if were a legit final 4 - -possible Champ - -you don’t lose to teams like that- -especially at your place. we know the atmosphere the phog can put out , we get on a roll at home , we can blow them out. - -No way do they match our front line or our depth. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Wofford is the type of team that would be a 13/14 seed in the NCAA tournament and could give someone trouble. Obviously KU shouldn’t lose at home to them, but it also wouldn’t be surprising if they kept it competitive for most of the night. It’s one of those match ups people would be tempted to take Wofford to cover.
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BShark said:
Strongly disagree. Calipari is a bad offensive coach and it showed last night. He also had no answers to get UK coherent on defense. His line-up choice to start the 2nd half was a joke.
You can draw up all the X’s and O’s you want - -after you do that - -it’s on the players, lack of focus— execution - -;- 15 TO’s - -that’s not the Coach THAT’S the players lack of attention – I know of at least twice where Kentucky players just flat as threw it right to Barrett for TO’s and 2 points - Cal can’t go out and execute things for them - -THEY have to do that -again just a plain and simple ASS WHUPPIN - nothing to be ashamed of - – -well wait actually there is lmao – but hey they won’t be the only team that is going to take ass whuppin from Duke this year,
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Last night was Duke’s A game and it was spectacular to watch. Their A game is the best A game in the country.
They also won’t do that every night. I believe it was Bill Self that said most teams play their A game 4-5 times a season, D-F game 4-5 times a year, and the rest of the season is their B-C game.
For the most part, the Silvio situation won’t impact KU on the court. The one team that not having Silvio is really going to hurt Kansas is if they play Duke in the NCAA tournament. Silvio would’ve allowed Self to play a line up of Doke, Silvio, and Dedric against Duke’s front line.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@jayballer73 Wofford is the type of team that would be a 13/14 seed in the NCAA tournament and could give someone trouble. Obviously KU shouldn’t lose at home to them, but it also wouldn’t be surprising if they kept it competitive for most of the night. It’s one of those match ups people would be tempted to take Wofford to cover.
then they would be fools Hell I’ll take their money if they want to throw it away. - -Mark it down right here right now KU wins this game anywhere from 10-15 points
Hope you don’t think I’m trying to argue - - I just don’t think they will hold up especially with us at home – I understand what your saying but I have never felt any more comfortable about a game like this. - -We GOT THIS - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Last night was Duke’s A game and it was spectacular to watch. Their A game is the best A game in the country.
They also won’t do that every night. I believe it was Bill Self that said most teams play their A game 4-5 times a season, D-F game 4-5 times a year, and the rest of the season is their B-C game.
For the most part, the Silvio situation won’t impact KU on the court. The one team that not having Silvio is really going to hurt Kansas is if they play Duke in the NCAA tournament. Silvio would’ve allowed Self to play a line up of Doke, Silvio, and Dedric against Duke’s front line.
That frontline match up would be sweet to see I bet. - -I think actually well for sure IF Silvio was available - I think we would have better frontline if that were to happen— KU a lot of Height from them to go against - just more depth in Bigs. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Kcmatt7 Dook is for sure the more talented team and has a higher ceiling than prob anyone this season. I’m just saying if they meet later on in the season Dook still wins but most likely but it ain’t 34 point route. It’s prob a 10-15 point win.
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jayballer73 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@jayballer73 Wofford is the type of team that would be a 13/14 seed in the NCAA tournament and could give someone trouble. Obviously KU shouldn’t lose at home to them, but it also wouldn’t be surprising if they kept it competitive for most of the night. It’s one of those match ups people would be tempted to take Wofford to cover.
then they would be fools Hell I’ll take their money if they want to throw it away. - -Mark it down right here right now KU wins this game anywhere from 10-15 points
Hope you don’t think I’m trying to argue - - I just don’t think they will hold up especially with us at home – I understand what your saying but I have never felt any more comfortable about a game like this. - -We GOT THIS - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We don’t know what the spread is yet.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Last night was Duke’s A game and it was spectacular to watch. Their A game is the best A game in the country.
They also won’t do that every night. I believe it was Bill Self that said most teams play their A game 4-5 times a season, D-F game 4-5 times a year, and the rest of the season is their B-C game.
For the most part, the Silvio situation won’t impact KU on the court. The one team that not having Silvio is really going to hurt Kansas is if they play Duke in the NCAA tournament. Silvio would’ve allowed Self to play a line up of Doke, Silvio, and Dedric against Duke’s front line.
That’s almost exactly what Cal tried last night at one point in the game and it got eaten alive.
I think you probably just have to deny Zion the ball with someone like Garrett. He destroyed Kentucky’s bigs off the dribble, so either you guard him with a big and sag WAY off him or you put a guard on him.
