Emporia State EXI
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These kids staring at the camera are cracking me up.
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Also, Doke will do better when we aren’t running up and down the court like this. And you can bet that we won’t be able to do that all season long. Add in that we basically didn’t run an offense tonight.
Doke is not an NBA guy (yet). He is not meant for an out of structure type of play (yet).
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@KirkIsMyHinrich It was pretty good. I liked that Bahe color guy. I wish they would spend a few bucks, and lose the headsets for gueldner and his partner.
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KUSTEVE said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich It was pretty good. I liked that Bahe color guy. I wish they would spend a few bucks, and lose the headsets for gueldner and his partner.
Said it earlier in the thread and the bar is low, but Bahe is probably the best color guy we have had for these JTV games.
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Is there a box score anywhere? @BShark You were logging stats, right?
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The way garrett plays, he’ll get a lot of minutes. He is just nails in every way except the 3 pointer. His drive to the basket was a work of art.
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Gonna be weird having a low post Wooden Winner after a Guard Winner and a Guard Runner Up.
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I really like the ESU coach. His interview has been fantastic!
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Craig Doty. A name to keep in the back of your mind. Charismatic 33 year old. I’ll try to remind myself to keep up with ESU this year.
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@Kcmatt7 I like him too. I thought he had a good game-plan doubling the post and the defensive rotations were good. They made some tough shots. They were just out-classed in terms of personnel. I agree, good coach.
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@Kcmatt7 I like him too. I thought he had a good game-plan doubling the post and the defensive rotations were good. They made some tough shots. They were just out-classed in terms of personnel. I agree, good coach.
They played with the future national champions for most of the 2nd half. No shame in how they played tonight.
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Craig Doty’s a well-spoken coach. I’m interested to see how his team does this year.
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Really like this Emporia State coach’s interview. He’s smooth, optimistic, complimentary with specific details. Sharp.
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@BShark Thanks for posting this.
I am surprised Dotson only had 3 assists. I am also surprised we shot 40% from 3. That’s encouraging.
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Self stealing Ochai last minute was such an underrated move. Dude finds gems.
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Oh ha. I just repeated you @Kcmatt7
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approxinfinity said:
Oh ha. I just repeated you @Kcmatt7
I think that it really just speaks to how charasmatic he seemed lol. Three of us made a point to say something…
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@KirkIsMyHinrich @approxinfinity Yeah, Doty did the best he could with the players he had tbh.
@Kcmatt7 Kid was about to commit to Wisconsin, KU got in there just in time.
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I think they just showed a graphic of the Jayhawks box score lines. 10 guys on it, and Doke wasnt one of them. ouch.
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15 of the 22 turnovers were from Dedric, Doke, Dave, and Mitch. Need to be stronger in the post and better passing out of it. Especially Doke.
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Well let’s be honest we - - On to the next game. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY won, pretty easily but get Emporia St credit they kept trying especially in the 2nd half. combination of things they played more relaxed and our defensive intensity fell off for sure.
Observations: – Doke just looked really , really bad - - - I think 7 boards - -not sure how many to’s h had-- -still looks soo mechanical . like he is thinking way to much he is going to do. - -McCormack had a rough opener , - - -Vick looked really passive, - - But the worst of all ? - - - -WAY , WAY , to many turnovers , this part for having that many turnovers is inexcusable. – yet having played to say from great - - still win by 38 so ya - -lots of time for improvement and it was the 1st game - -for sure a lot of things to work on.
Now for some positive: Let’s just get this out here right off the bat - -sure it was Emporia State but still - - – D Lawson IS for real , let’s make no mistake about that. Sure he isn’t going to do this every time out but dam he mad it looks so smooth 31 - & 15 not a bad debut. – - - -Dotson just played a very solid game - - he going to be fine. - - - Garett had a good game on the boards like 8-9 I think – - - - Charlie hit some nice shots made a couple of nice passes - -Grimes was ok - -not terrific but ok.
I think I’m just to spoiled nit picking but I know there was others that probably have some of the same thoughts - it’s ok 1st game - Again probably the biggest letdown for me was WAY to many TO’s lots of work to do. – Every thing considered I don’t think Coach Self gonna really be that happy with tonight’s performance.-- -Not sure if I would be looking forward to tomorrow practice. - -Time for the next game - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@approxinfinity HE got 2 points -came on a dunk – Damm
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Good Night ALL !!!
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BShark said:
https://twitter.com/gifhawk/status/1055645113848864768
ACCURATE
He has to be laughing at everyone else right now.
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@Red.Rooster Night bud!
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I think we may be overdue for a new tshirt. I really enjoy our little community. You forget how great it can be until basketball gets back in swing lol. I’ll work on a design soon.
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Question guys. Do you think Doke deferred to Dedric tonight? - - -not even really that many shot attempts - he just really struggled.- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Kcmatt7 Sweet!
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jayballer73 said:
Question guys. Do you think Doke deferred to Dedric tonight? - -
Not really. I think he got double teamed a lot and hacked by ESU’s small guys and didn’t respond well to it.
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@jayballer73 Definitely. I don’t think Doke knows how to play with Dedric. And I would say Dedric doesn’t know how to play with Doke… but that’s not as important because we NEED Dedric on the floor.
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Well maybe deferred isn’t the word I’d pick. But he looked lost trying to play with Dedric.
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approxinfinity said:
Well maybe deferred isn’t the right word. But he looked lost trying to play with Dedric.
Yep. He’s only ever played 4 out 1 in under Self.
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approxinfinity said:
@jayballer73 Definitely. I don’t think Doke knows how to play with Dedric. And I would say Dedric doesn’t know how to play with Doke… but that’s not as important because we NEED Dedric on the floor.
Actually we need them both for sure. - Doke gonna need to play - -we can’t have Dedric to carry us all the time like he did tonight , it’s ok Doke will be ok. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Also Vick was pretty off tonight with his shot. Other than that I thought he played alright.
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Ochai is really well spoken. Going to be a fan favorite
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BShark said:
Also Vick was pretty off tonight with his shot. Other than that I thought he played alright.
He will fill his role. Solid D. 3 point threat. Doesn’t take many stupid shots. Type of guy all good teams need.
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Spartan blood will be spilled.
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I’m going to sound really negative here but…
As great as Lawson looked today this was massively inferior talent. He has an old man game via below the basket with a methodical pace. He will do well in certain match ups but I foresee some serious issues when he goes up against length and speed.
Overall team speed is not great. Maybe I’m used to last years team that was so damn fast and they knew where they were going which made them even faster. Tonight we looked slow.
As for all the depth I firmly beleive this team goes as far as Grimes and Dotson take it. Scary to be that dependent on two freshman guards.
Marcus’ shot looks about the same. Vick’s decision making looks about the same. KJ looks really soft. The kind of soft Self hates. I’d be shocked if he sees much time.
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BShark said:
Also Vick was pretty off tonight with his shot. Other than that I thought he played alright. To me - - Vick looked pretty passive - -another one of those dis engaged type of nights again. - Then to that is suppose to be more or less the leaders - -the Senior and the JR - really had bad nights
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Self saying Dotson, Grimes and Garrett have separated themselves from the other guards and that Garrett has made a case to start.
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BigBad said:
I’m going to sound really negative here but…
As great as Lawson looked today this was massively inferior talent. He has an old man game via below the basket with a methodical pace. He will do well in certain match ups but I foresee some serious issues when he goes up against length and speed.
He was amazingly efficient at Memphis. Add in an improved 3 point shot, strength and vertical and I don’t see issues. He is as long as most 7 footers. I don’t know that length will bother him that much. I don’t expect 30 points, but I do expect 15.
Overall team speed is not great. Maybe I’m used to last years team that was so damn fast and they knew where they were going which made them even faster. Tonight we looked slow.
I think we will see some vintage Bill Self pace to make up for this.
As for all the depth I firmly beleive this team goes as far as Grimes and Dotson take it. Scary to be that dependent on two freshman guards.
We will find out a lot against MSU. Can’t say you are wrong to think this.
Marcus’ shot looks about the same.
Agreed
Vick’s decision making looks about the same.
Agreed
KJ looks really soft. The kind of soft Self hates. I’d be shocked if he sees much time.
Disagree. Guy is a Pitt Bull and a rebounder. Not a star. But provides very important versatility.
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BigBad said:
I’m going to sound really negative here but…
As great as Lawson looked today this was massively inferior talent. He has an old man game via below the basket with a methodical pace. He will do well in certain match ups but I foresee some serious issues when he goes up against length and speed.
It did feel that way at the beginning of the game when he was getting stuffed. Then he played off the ball and got two easy buckets. There will be times where other guys will have to step up to keep him from getting double-teamed. I think they will.
Overall team speed is not great. Maybe I’m used to last years team that was so damn fast and they knew where they were going which made them even faster. Tonight we looked slow.
I thought Dotson looked like the fastest player we’ve had that I can remember. You really thought last year’s team could get out in transition better than this one will? I didn’t think we got that much off of transition last year. And this is a bunch of new players with a very high ceiling.
As for all the depth I firmly beleive this team goes as far as Grimes and Dotson take it. Scary to be that dependent on two freshman guards.
Those two looked good for their first game. Both have great body control and solid handles.
Marcus’ shot looks about the same. Vick’s decision making looks about the same.
Agree. Agree.
KJ looks really soft. The kind of soft Self hates. I’d be shocked if he sees much time.
I don’t know. He did look soft. But he also played within the flow. I think he gets minutes.
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@Kcmatt7 I agree 100%. Dedric is really long and had much success at Memphis. I don’t agree with the comment that he will struggle in certain matchups.
Folks have to remember that every year we look sloppy to start and EVERY YEAR we steadily improve and get better. Last year was a great example of this. Its hard to take too much away from one game, especially the very first game.
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@approxinfinity Yep, we did not run much last year. Not sure the source of this comment.
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Dedric Lawson on Bill Self’s postgame feedback: “He didn’t praise me at all. He said it was the ugliest 31 (points) he’s ever seen. And I agree with him.”
