The Next Coach
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@BShark We hired Long for Miles he had better get him
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@BShark Butch Jones. The sound bites would be insufferable.
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I’d be ok with Jones. He did very well at CMU and Cincy. Tennessee is a tough job. Obscene expectations for fans who still think Peyton Manning is walking through the door.
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The more I look at Jones, the more I wouldn’t be super pissed. He has recruited well out of Kansas JUCOs and seems to have that connection at least.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I’d be ok with Jones. He did very well at CMU and Cincy. Tennessee is a tough job. Obscene expectations for fans who still think Peyton Manning is walking through the door.
Very much agree about Tenn. Lots of SEC football jobs are that way tbh.
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@BShark Is your new profile pic what you’re drinking tonight or tomorrow during the football game? lol
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark Is your new profile pic what you’re drinking tonight or tomorrow during the football game? lol
Ha, just a bottle from one of my favorite two distilleries. For the money it costs I honestly wouldn’t recommend the 25 year over the 12, 15 or 17 year but hey, it’s 25 y/o whiskey you have to at least try it once (if you like scotch).
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I wouldn’t touch Butch Jones for the next hire. He’s not a program builder. He inherited already established Central Michigan and Cincinnati programs from Brian Kelly.
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@BShark We just opened a Balvenie 14 year “Caribbean cask”. Whoa, what a smoooooth one…
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@mayjay That’s some quality right there.
I’m about to try Dalwhinnie 15 year.
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Guys you’re making a poor guy jealous. I do have a case of Stone Anti-Matter though
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@FarmerJayhawk I’ve always got a spare pour for a fellow Jayhawk.
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Nice.
My dad liked Johnny Walker Black and Chivas and that is what I grew up with. On special occasions he would bring out the Chivas 18 and on rarer occasions the Chivas 25 which was by far the best I had ever tasted until I had chance to drink the Johnny Walker Blue Label which is something evey one that appreciates good scotch should try at least once…and I am not even much of a scotch drinker. Nowadays I drink mostly wine and hardly ever the hard stuff.
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@JayHawkFanToo I never liked Scotch until I tried single malt. Blends like Cutty Sark, J Walker Red, etc were all I’d had. Too bitter. Now we usually drink Glenlivet or something similar. Before the kids moved to Hawaii, I got a bottle every F Day. Now I just get a card, and then I have to get the booze myself to drown my sorrows…
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@mayjay If the kids moved to Hawaii and you might also get a bottle of scotch on Father’s day, I wonder, why not move to Hawaii?
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now don’t take this wrong in any way guys , Just had to chuckle some that’s all. - -Just kind of shows how sad our football program is and here is why. The Topic here is - - - - -The next Coach and yet some how we strayed and started talking about different types of spirit = = Scotch and such, - - -meaning no harm my friends just had to laugh thinking YEP that just shows how low our football has become lol we can’t even stay on course lmao. - -Sorry guys have no problem with the conversation - -just me and my twisted sense of humor. - - - I’ll laugh at just about anything ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Yeah and every time I read “The Next Coach” I think Bill’s not in that much hot water is he?!?
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dylans said:
@jayballer73 Yeah and every time I read “The Next Coach” I think Bill’s not in that much hot water is he?!?
Lmao , ya me too. When I 1st seen the topic that’s exactly who I thought this was about lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@HighEliteMajor That would be nice! Unfortunately, it would be cheaper to buy a bottle of every brand that makes 25 year scotch every month! But, you do give me an idea–we need to plan our trips in mid-June rather than January, and watch the waves as I sail into a nice soft fog…
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@jayballer73 This isn’t really a change in topics from fb to booze. I am sure many KU fans have been hitting the hard stuff in droves for years.
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mayjay said:
@jayballer73 This isn’t really a change in topics from fb to booze. I am sure many KU fans have been hitting the hard stuff in droves for years.
…and by the look of things, some of the coaches might have been doing the same.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
mayjay said:
@jayballer73 This isn’t really a change in topics from fb to booze. I am sure many KU fans have been hitting the hard stuff in droves for years.
…and by the look of things, some of the coaches might have been doing the same.
TRUTH lmao
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The Costco “Kirklands” brand scotch is surprisingly good and is quite a bit cheaper than other brands. About $25 for a 1.75L bottle. Definitely worth it for a budget scotch.
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Butch Jones would be a horrible fit here. Or anywhere. I lived in Knoxville for ten years and it was no surprise to me that he was a bust there, but he had every possible resource available to build a team at Tennessee. Decent recruiter with the bucks backing him up, but he’s really just not a smart coach.
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@DanR 100% agree, hello Charlie Weis 2.0, if you can’t win with SEC money or Notre Dame money, you simply will not win at Kansas.
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Tennessee definitely has more football resources than KU. Another thing to factor in is that someone in the SEC has more local recruiting bases to draw from than a coach at KU. KU really only has one large metro area to draw from, and that metro area is pretty well divided up between KU, Mizzou and K-State already, with Nebraska, Iowa and others regularly getting players from there as well.
Wichita produces some talent, but Oklahoma State is just as close, and Norman isn’t too much further. KU really doesn’t have a big advantage recruiting there.
The rest of the state just doesn’t produce enough talent.
Looking at states like Mississippi and Alabama, they produce more than twice as much D1 talent as Kansas does in state, and those are the smallest states in the SEC. There’s just so much talent to go around there, and most of it is local. That isn’t the case at KU, and likely never will be. That’s one of the reasons Nebraska has struggled more recently. Not enough local talent to go around, and enough of the local programs like KSU, Mizzou, Iowa, Minnesota, etc. all good enough to draw their local talent to keep the Huskers from being the recruiting destination on the plains.
The KU job is a challenging job. You need a coach that can get the most out of his recruits, but also someone that can recruit out of state talent because he can’t just rely on local talent because there just isn’t enough to fill out a roster year in and year out.
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Justin Leonard is an up and coming DC at Wisconsin who has a good track record and is rumored to be on the fast track for head coaching.
Besides him, there are certainly assistants out there who are looking for their big break and turning around this moribund program would be a crown in the jewel of any coach.
Of course going the up and coming assistant route means you risk losing them when/if they’re successful here. Every coach out there started as an assistant and someone found them. If we do our due diligence we can find this individual. Might as well start now.
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If I am KU, I am still looking at mid major head coaches that are good recruiters, preferably from the MAC or Mountain West. I would be hesitant to get a coach from the Sun Belt because they have more local recruiting ground. A coach at FIU or South Florida need only walk a few blocks to run into a dozen or so D1 prospects. A coach in the Sun Belt probably won’t have to go more than a couple hundred miles from campus to fill 60% of his roster.
A coach in the Mountain West or MAC, though? They have to recruit those that are overlooked, and may need to find a few diamonds in the rough, rather than just land a local kid or two.
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KU is past taking unproven assistant coaches to see if they can revive the football program.
If KU is serious about football it needs a coach with proven record of success…cheaper to pay for a quality coach rather than paying salaries former coaches that did not work out.
If you have a chance, read the Boston Globe 6-part story on Aaron Hernandez, it will give you a different and very negative view of Urban Meyers.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
If you have a chance, read the Boston Globe 3-part story on Aaron Hernandez, it will give you a different and very negative view of Urban Meyers.
Oh believe me I don’t need this article. Meyer is GARBAGE.
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The entire series is very interesting and gives a complete view of Hernandez and his life and tragic death.
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Found this interesting , not sure how much of this has already been mentioned but. - Read an article talking about the names of Coach’s that Long has been following on Twitter. They are:
Head Coach’s , - - - - Dave Clawson ( Wake Forest ) - - - - - - Dave Doeren, ( NC State )- - - - - - Jim Harbaugh ( Michigan )- - - - - - Lane Kiffen ( Florida Atlantic )- - - - - - Seth Littrell ( North Texas )- - - - - - Then they talk about another pretty solid Coach one that hadn’t been thought of or mentioned they said and that was - - - - Jeff Tedford ( Fresno State ) – AD Long has been following him also.
Then a Couple of ass’t Coach’s- - - - Jim Leavitt ( Oregon’s def Cordinator )- - - - - - & then Chip Long ( Norte Dame )
So again don’t know how many of these have been talked about but just throwing these guys out for what it’s worth - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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It’s Miles, baring a last minute change of heart
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Will the firing and hiring be announced at the same time?
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No. The deal isn’t 100% done that I’m aware of. Sometime in early December seems more likely.
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Tomorrow could be wild…
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Tomorrow could be wild…
I’m very ready.
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Sounds like Beaty could be out as soon as tomorrow afternoon.
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kjayhawks said:
Sounds like Beaty could be out as soon as tomorrow afternoon.
I wouldn’t really rely on that to much , don’t think that will happen - -think they will go ahead and let him finish out. - -Wouldn’t make a lot of sense for Miles to come in Now.
Unless the only way would fire Coach and let someone from staff finish the season - - Go ahead then and let Les go out and see if he can recruit while the final 4 weeks - -I’m still kind of doubtful Les is coming here -just don’t know - -I’ll believe it when Isee it. - -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 I think if they do it, it will because of fan support. Only 15,500fans were at today’s game and I’d say over half were ISU fans. Joe Dineen actually called out fans after the game and I agree. KSU has the same record as us but will have a full stadium their last 2 home games. We need to support these guys as best as we can, they are working hard.
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@kjayhawks Well not making a bowl game in 10 years excuses a lack of fan support imo. It isn’t even a competitive product on the field. And hasn’t been since 09.
I realize the players are working hard. But showing financial support also empowers the University to not make necessary changes. The only way you can show how you feel to the KU athletics department is with your wallet.
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Well yep. - -KU HAS announced they will be having a meeting/announcement whatever at 12;00 noon. - -So ya looks like he for sure is gone.
Even if Les has secretly been hired I still don’t think they wil lcome oit and mention him tomorrow - -just focusing on Beaty tommorrow
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@jayballer73 Contract extension! Because crappy programs always do that a couple months before firing someone. (So do corporations about to go under.) Just remember, you heard it here first!
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I was at the game today and if there were not any Iowa St fans there I would guess it would have been 5-7,000 KU fans. There is no fan support for this program and coach. I don’t blame anyone for not going or wanting to go. The product that Beaty trots out there every week is a joke.
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This was a foregone conclusion when Long was hired. Just a complete waste of time to have kept Beatty this season. Beatty couldn’t recruit to fit what he wanted to do. We have zero commitments (one?). This was an unnecessary waste of a year. Beatty was another disaster. Success is on the horizon though.
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@HighEliteMajor You couldn’t really Fire a guy at the beginning of fall camp when Long was hired. Soren is now saying KU will allow Beaty to lose the final 3 games or finish year before he is released.
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@kjayhawks I get you’re point. But you know how you fire a guy before the season? You walk in and say, “You’re fired. Get out.” And you appoint the best assistant as interim coach. I think we would have had a better chance without Beatty. But who cares now? I don’t. I’m just excited that this is happening.
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HighEliteMajor said:
This was a foregone conclusion when Long was hired. Just a complete waste of time to have kept Beatty this season. Beatty couldn’t recruit to fit what he wanted to do. We have zero commitments (one?). This was an unnecessary waste of a year. Beatty was another disaster. Success is on the horizon though.
Completely agree with you on this. Which I think means the world is ending.
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http://m.kusports.com/news/2018/nov/03/kus-response-report-beatys-job-evaluation-football/
http://m.kusports.com/news/2018/nov/03/tom-keegan-coaching-change-would-energize-fanbase/
