FBI...here we go
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@jayballer73 A not guilty verdict means that Adidas and Nike can basically just keep paying players and there is not a damn thing the NCAA can do about it.
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@jayballer73 So I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t think we will get anything but a slap on the wrist.
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@Woodrow @jayballer73 A guilty verdict might insulate our people from criminal prosecution by the feds. But the government theory of the case, regardless of whether the jury buys it, has no effect whatsoever on the NCAA bringing any case it wants to.
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I would guess there are two ways to look at it. While a guilty verdict might insulate somewhat the alleged aggrieved parties, it would also give the FBI impetus to follow up with other cases it has waiting and we would have a never ending process.
I would think the first case the FBI brought up was the one with the bests chance of success and a not guilty verdict would for all practical purpose send a message to the FBI…
…you overreached in this case, let the IRS handle the money changing angle and you cannot be the enforcer of NCAA rules; let it enforce it own rules and if financial redress is needed it can go to civil not criminal court for reparations.
I am not sure which one is the better outcome. I would lean towards the second insofar as it would likely end the investigation, the NCAA can generate a general, one time amnesty and things can go back to “normal.”
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@JayHawkFanToo Oh, I think the potential for a several-years-long pain in the tookus from this whole thing is a real possibility. I was just addressing collateral legal liability–the feds won’t want to undermine a conviction, but the NCAA is not bound by anything.
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mayjay said:
@Woodrow @jayballer73 A guilty verdict might insulate our people from criminal prosecution by the feds. But the government theory of the case, regardless of whether the jury buys it, has no effect whatsoever on the NCAA bringing any case it wants to.
Oh ok, see I get confused on which would help us the most. - -Thanks
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We have like 50 threads on this, but I’ll put this here…
Matt Tait @mctait
Self on trial’s impact on #KUbball team to date…
“This is something we have to deal with. Is it fun to deal with it? No. But we’ll be stronger when we get through it. And some of the best and most rewarding years (I’ve had) have come when we’ve had to go through some crap.”
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Huggins said he didn’t think it had been proven just yet that basketball programs were involved in the recruiting scandal but that, if it did happen, it was just a small number of schools involved.
“We’re talking, what, four or five schools at most?” he said, noting there are 361 teams in Division I basketball. “I think the state of our game is fine. If things happened, we all know they shouldn’t have happened, but that doesn’t affect that state of our game and the way people go about doing their business.”
What a blowhard Huggins is.
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I like Huggins. His radio interviews are gold.
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https://twitter.com/PeteBrush/status/1055162192365060096
Verdict reached. Will be read in 22 minutes.
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Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I have magic beans I can sell you.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
Nike probably was okay that he at least stayed in the brotherhood. But Oscar does come from the same school as Thugnate.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
Nike probably was okay that he at least stayed in the brotherhood. But Oscar does come from the same school as Thugnate.
WVU had a lot of connections to him. I have no doubt that someone took money, possible that Oscar didn’t see a dime of it though.
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I actually think Tshiebwe fits with Huggy really well and I’m almost pissed that’s where he went.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Self and Huggy are like best buds on the road. I just imagine those two eating at a Waffle House at two in the morning after going to the bars. Just shooting the shit.
But also I agree about his steamy take. If anyone thinks Bill Walker went to KSU for free, I also have magic beans I can sell you.
UK/Cal really wanted Oscar Tshiebwe but he just went to WVU because he really likes Huggins okay??!!
Nike probably was okay that he at least stayed in the brotherhood. But Oscar does come from the same school as Thugnate.
WVU had a lot of connections to him. I have no doubt that someone took money, possible that Oscar didn’t see a dime of it though.
Nike layered that cake pretty good though I’m sure for a Top 25 type kid.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I actually think Tshiebwe fits with Huggy really well and I’m almost pissed that’s where he went.
Yeah you think well Konate will be gone after the season, great, phew, in comes his CLONE
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I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Well for one they don’t employ the Gassnola’s of the world from what I’m aware of a few situations. I would imagine not a ton of difference, just a well oiled machine with a lot of power and influence
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BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Well for one they don’t employ the Gassnola’s of the world from what I’m aware of a few situations. I would imagine not a ton of difference, just a well oiled machine with a lot of power and influence
Yeah, plus they just happened to catch a guy on something else that led to Adidas guys mostly. More trials are coming though, we will see what shakes out with Nike.
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https://twitter.com/PeteBrush/status/1055170261295816704
lolololololololololol.opololol
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Guilty: All Counts
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Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When’s that trial?
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Kcmatt7 said:
Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When’s that trial?
April I think.
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BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When’s that trial?
April I think.
Convenient huh
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Well, it looks like the NCAA will live to fight another day. KU and Self pretty much are now gifted plausible deniability. Next up, Nike coaches. When’s that trial?
April I think.
Convenient huh
Yeah, not weird at all.
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ALL 3 MAN SENTENCING WILL HAPPEN MARCH 5 THEY WILL REMAIN OUT ON BOND UNTIL THEN
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Hehehe
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 This prosecution obviously has protected America from horrible danger. Good thing these guys will not be out on the streets any. . . . oh, wait…
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Truly vial crimes committed.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Using smarter runners that are not trying to boost their own egos and are not getting caught?
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Using smarter runners that are not trying to boost their own egos and are not getting caught?
It just blows my mind how you even put yourself in a position to get caught. Like Adidas stole a guy from Nike just to put this pay for play scheme into action.
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mayjay said:
@JAYHAWKFAN214 This prosecution obviously has protected America from horrible danger. Good thing these guys will not be out on the streets any. . . . oh, wait…
they will not be
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Sentencing is Next march so nothing is likely to happen until after the season is over.
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You lawyer folk. Is it too late for a deal to be made at this point? That’s over right?
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Kcmatt7 said:
You lawyer folk. Is it too late for a deal to be made at this point? That’s over right?
we still do not know what the ncaa will do tho
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Kcmatt7 said:
I’d love to know what Nike is doing differently.
Using offshore accounts?
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Kcmatt7 said:
You lawyer folk. Is it too late for a deal to be made at this point? That’s over right?
As far as I know deals are gone as far as guilt or innocence; however, a deal could still be made about sentencing recommendation in exchange for cooperation and/or additional information that will help with future cases.
As I understand…and I could be wrong…this type of cases receive relatively minor sentences, maybe months in a so called “country club” type detention facility where white collar criminals go. Given the relatively small $ involved I would think sentences will be months rather than years.
Hopefully the lawyers can chime in with pertinent information
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Kcmatt7 said:
You lawyer folk. Is it too late for a deal to be made at this point? That’s over right?
Only deal they can make now is to roll on others for a reduced sentence if the government doesn’t have all they want on a certain other shoe company.
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@BShark OK, so bud - -now it seems like these guy’s were found guilty right? - - just came on board and reading some comments. - -Sooo now my question is , we know that Coach Self is sitting Silvio -we know Coach said that until this was cleared up Coach will be holding Silvio out, Coach stated that they had been in contact/talking to the NCAA - -So my question now becomes:
They NOT the NCAA but these guys will be givin their sentence on like March 5th is what I thought I saw - - - So we sit Silvio till the NCAA is done with whatever now right? - – So if it takes for them the entire season is done - - I mean Silvio sits until a decision is made I got that – BUT - - - Could we red shirt Silvio this year while we wait OR does Silvio just transfer - -which that wouldn’t make ANY sense - -still wouldn’t be able to play - -OR - - does Silvio leave and try to start on working out individually and try to enter next years NBA draft - - - where do we go what does Silvio do from here? what do you all think? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
@BShark OK, so bud - -now it seems like these guy’s were found guilty right? - - just came on board and reading some comments. - -Sooo now my question is , we know that Coach Self is sitting Silvio -we know Coach said that until this was cleared up Coach will be holding Silvio out, Coach stated that they had been in contact/talking to the NCAA - -So my question now becomes:
They NOT the NCAA but these guys will be givin their sentence on like March 5th is what I thought I saw - - - So we sit Silvio till the NCAA is done with whatever now right? - – So if it takes for them the entire season is done - - I mean Silvio sits until a decision is made I got that – BUT - - - Could we red shirt Silvio this year while we wait OR does Silvio just transfer - -which that wouldn’t make ANY sense - -still wouldn’t be able to play - -OR - - does Silvio leave and try to start on working out individually and try to enter next years NBA draft - - - where do we go what does Silvio do from here? what do you all think? - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
yes they was found guitlty
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@jayballer73 This result is amazing for KU as far as I can tell.
@mayjay maybe you can chime in as I am no legal expert. BUT, as far as I understand this, since they were found guilty of defrauding KU, as far as the law is concerned KU as an institution couldn’t have been part of the fraud. And obviously Self and Townsy are university employees so as far as this result is concerned, they were not a part of it. I’m not sure how anything happens to Self/Townsy/KU at this point but we will see I suppose.
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@FarmerJayhawk @Kcmatt7 They can also deal for vacating one or more of the charges while not appealing the others, as well as testifying in future trials. The amount of a fine could be in play, too.
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@BShark I have said before, I think it has nothing to do with anything the NCAA wants to do. I was never very afraid of anyone at KU getting hit with criminal charges.
@jayballer73 There is no reason for the NCAA to wait until sentencing UNLESS the prosecutor agrees to a lighter sentence in exchange for the defendants to agree to cooperate completely with the NCAA.
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@mayjay Thank you for your input. The way I see it the defense was trying to argue the coaches were extensions of the university, and they got shut down.
Also I am not sure where they found this judge, but he seemed to be very contentious towards the defense.
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@BShark His not allowing the additional transcripts into evidence might be the vulnerable part of these convictions.
I don’t really miss this stuff, contrary to any impressions I may have given by jumping all over any legal issue. I prefer reading legal mysteries to being in one!
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Matt Scott Verified account @KUTheShiver
Matt Scott Retweeted Ian JoDeCi
It’s good. Using things like normal recruiting talk text messages as ‘proof’ was a dumb defense from the start.
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Realistically and given the small amounts of $ involved (in the big scheme of things), what are the chances that the sentences are longer than a few months? Would it be worth it to the defendants to deal for shorter sentences which might amount to a few months when the option of keeping their mouths shut might result in some corporate loyalty reward down the road that might even include getting their jobs back?
Would the judge not allowing defense evidence result in grounds for a reversal on appeal? If yes, it could take years to sort it out.
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I would think that Adidas would pay them off to not say a word from here on out.
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bill self will have a press conference @7pm tonight to talk about what happen today
