FBI...here we go
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Coaches saying there are not aware there is a lot of cheating going on in college sports reminds me of
Coaches are not that naive, I am sure most are generally aware of the cheating going on in college sports but realize it is the reality of the game and choose to not be directly involved and have plausible deniability.
As far as I can tell, the only thing that affects KU is the $2,500 Silvio’s guardian received for either on-line classes or to repay the Maryland booster. In the big scheme of things it is a minor amount that if repaid (to whom it would be???) it would result in a slap in the wrist and maybe a 2-3 game suspension.
KU seems to be pretty much in the clear vis-à-vis Preston since all the clowns involved actively worked to keep KU in the dark and KU acted prudently by holding him as soon as it had a suspicion of wrong doing and he did not play a single game for KU.
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https://twitter.com/danielle_lerner/status/1051166212615475200?s=21
Case might be over this week
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When a school signs with an apparel firm for sponsorship there is an implicit understanding that it will help steer prospects to the school and I am sure coaches from Nike sponsored programs call Nike as well when it helps with a prospect. There is nothing to indicate or even imply that KU knew Adidas was doing anything illegal which in Silvio’s case amounted to all of $2,500.
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That’s pretty not great for optics but shouldn’t hang Self.
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Yea this was probably the biggest blow I’ve heard so far.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Yea this was probably the biggest blow I’ve heard so far.
Which is still basically nothing, so that’s pretty great.
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Not a good look
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The Coaches definitely seem more involved than I had hoped from that Star Article.
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Pretty easy to infer shit here. Like, it’s obvious now, but legally it seems unlikely anything will happen as of now.
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Per Zags
TJ Gassnola is done testifying and the judge told the jury they should be ready to deliberate this week
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I think today was the worse day for Self and KU. I don’t think there is anything there to vacate wins, fire Self, or anything like that. However, those text exchanges as @BShark said do not reflect well on Self.
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At minimum Self and his coaches were well aware of the bag man for Adidas. SMH
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@BeddieKU23 Well I mean, are you surprised? I’m not.
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Gotta love the Star…
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dylans said:
Gotta love the Star…
WE ALL KNOW HOW THE STAR LIKE TO GO ACTOR KU
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Well I mean, are you surprised? I’m not.
I’m not surprised at all. I’m just disappointed, very disappointed to say the least
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Yawn at all this. It’s not exactly breaking news that shoe companies steer kids to their flagship schools. There’s not really even a NCAA violation here, at least nothing that will jeopardize anyone affiliated with KU.
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It seems like the coaches knew about payments. The good news is that Gassnola testified that he didn’t think the Kansas coaches knew. So I believe it will be hard for the NCAA to hang anything major on Kansas.
I’m disappointed in Kansas too, but I’m also disappointed in the You-Have-To-Be-19-Years-Old-To-Play-In-The-NBA rule, and the NCAA model that’s driving these kinds of behind-the-scenes payments. A highly ranked basketball or football recruit is worth more than a one-year scholarship. Some of them are worth a lot more than a one-year scholarship, but that player’s market value is being restricted by the NCAA while and even before that player attends a university. These top athletes are very valuable to Nike, Adidas, Under Armour, etc. even as teenagers because they have the potential to be the next LeBron James or Steph Curry or insert NBA Super Star and sell a bunch of shoes and merchandise. As universities are allowed to sign large multi-million dollar contracts with these apparel companies , there is a major incentive for Adidas to direct top recruits to Kansas, or Nike to direct top recruits to Kentucky or Duke. A commitment of a player to a branded university is a major step in a commitment of a player to a brand, though not always (see: Joel Embiid and Under Armour).
So all of you here probably know this, and you might reasonably say that nobody is forcing these kids to go to college. The major problem I have with this is that college basketball is by far the best way for a high-profile recruit to showcase their talent and get drafted into the NBA. In the 2018 NBA draft, 52 out of the 60 players taken played college basketball. The 8 that did not, I’m not totally sure, but am willing to wager that none or a small fraction of them were American-born. What I’m saying here is that a high-profile recruit who doesn’t choose to go to college can seriously jeopardize his NBA draft position and potentially miss out on being drafted or lose millions of dollars down the road due to lack of media exposure and NBA teams not wanting to take a chance on an unproven recruit. In short, I don’t like that the NCAA monopolizes high-profile basketball recruits due to a lack of alternatives for that recruit other than college basketball and at the same time restricts their true market value.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich josh Jackson, under armour as well.
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Unless Gassnola perjured himself, nobody under the KU banner knew.
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@FarmerJayhawk Do you really believe that?
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What am I missing? I just don’t see any thing that even resembles any NCAA rule breaking or the law. I would certainly expect Adidas to help KU with recruiting as part of the sponsorship deal. If Adidas is not going to help then why sign with them? I am sure Nike and Under Armour do their best to steer kids in the direction of programs they sponsor and as long as they do not do any thing that breaks NCAA rules or the law, it is all good…why wouldn’t it be?
Otto von Bismarck said…Laws are like sausages. Better not to see them being made…which would also seem to apply to recruiting. There is a good deal of action going on that we really don’t want to see but it is the reality of recruiting.
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The Gary Parrish article is pretty good tbh.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich it doesn’t matter what I believe. What incentive does he have to lie? Making coaches aware of payments isn’t illegal. Perjury is.
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@FarmerJayhawk Agreed which is why I said I don’t think KU will get into any major trouble here. But I still am disappointed.
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One and Done
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World Wide Wes - Zero investigations
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Shoe Companies running rampant
Perfect Storm
I’m honestly ready for REAL student athletes again. Let the “studs” go pro out of high school. If they are not drafted I DON’T CARE! Go to Europe or join the real world. Guys will argue they should get reinstated. No way. You do that and the next market is agents who will sign kids they know wont make the NBA right out of high school then herd them to colleges with who they have relationships. So replace the current shoe companies with slime ball agents.
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I havent kept up to date but I just read this on ESPN. Is everything there stuff we already knew?
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approxinfinity said:
I havent kept up to date but I just read this on ESPN. Is everything there stuff we already knew?
WE ALREADY KNOW THIS
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approxinfinity said:
I havent kept up to date but I just read this on ESPN. Is everything there stuff we already knew?
The texts involving self are new.
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approxinfinity said:
I havent kept up to date but I just read this on ESPN. Is everything there stuff we already knew?
Yeah everything today was known, it’s basically just being confirmed with evidence.
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BeddieKU23 said:
approxinfinity said:
I havent kept up to date but I just read this on ESPN. Is everything there stuff we already knew?
The texts involving self are new.
But still just confirming previous claims that Gassnola chatted with Self/KT frequently.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
approxinfinity said:
I havent kept up to date but I just read this on ESPN. Is everything there stuff we already knew?
The texts involving self are new.
But still just confirming previous claims that Gassnola chatted with Self/KT frequently.
I had no issue with that part however the texts do imply a lot more involvement with Self and thats just sad. Oh well onward and upward
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The shoe companies pay universities millions, and they do a huge amount of recruiting for them. none of this comes as any surprise. Is the Adidas rep supposed to recruit a player and not discuss them with the coach? As long as Bill and staff aren’t facilitating payments, it has nothing to do with us if the athlete and the shoe company make an arrangement. Look back at Dook …for years, they could not recruit a big man to save their life. Now, they get the top 3 front line players, after having lottery pick Bagley and lottery pick Wendel Carter on their front line last year. Nike recruited them, and handed them to Dook. Alot of this nonsense will end once they allow athletes to go pro out of high school.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich If Bill was “in the know”, then why did Billy’s mom go to such lengths to avoid detection? Why would she tell her son to lie if Bill knew? Why would the Adidas guy make such an adamant point to proclaim Bill’s innocence on the subject in court, under threat of perjury? Unless you have something we don’t know about, it would appear you are speculating. My take is…nobody threatened Bill with not playing Preston. Preston wasn’t declared ineligible. He wasn’t “ordered” to not play him. When something came out, he made the family prove it wasn’t an illegal benefit, which they couldn’t. And Preston didn’t play a second, even though he could’ve helped us alot. That doesn’t seem to me like a guilty guy who doesn’t care about the rules, nudging and winking at the Adidas rep over a 2,500 payment to Silvio. So, do you really think Bill would involve himself in something like that?
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Not a word, or even a hint, in those texts about money.
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@KUSTEVE And as nutty as Billy’s mom appears you’d think she would have zero issues blaming Self and KU.
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@kjayhawks Good point. She even blamed all the fans for having suspicions!
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mayjay said:
Not a word, or even a hint, in those texts about money.
Self will be fine at the end of this unless something new and crazy comes out. Which I do not expect to happen.
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Its simply optics anyone is worried about. That’s all. Nobody is shocked. Most people probably realize it happens at all the schools. It doesn’t appear Self broke any rules. But it also just doesn’t look good.
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Optics don’t win basketball games. This whole deal is actually pretty good timing considering the season starts in less than two weeks and then people forget by signing day.
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I’d say Self is fine at this point, Gassnola probably wouldn’t lie under oath to protect Self. He has no reason too. As @KUSTEVE said why was Billy’s mom trying to hide her payments from Self and KU if he already knew. Once Gassnola was a AAU coach that has a lotta connections, every D1coach has a guy in the background doing recruiting. I’m ready for this to be over and the NCAA to change stuff so this doesn’t happen again.
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To me it’s just like even if Self was aware of the shoe company’s payments what exactly can he do about it? If it’s the best player he can get he has pressure every year to build a championship caliber team and will recruit that player regardless. I think Bill Self and the program are 100% in the clear but as for Silvio I’m not convinced. Probably for no fault of his own but it’s a dirty game these shoe company’s are playing.
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SkinnyKansasDude said:
To me it’s just like even if Self was aware of the shoe company’s payments what exactly can he do about it? If it’s the best player he can get he has pressure every year to build a championship caliber team and will recruit that player regardless. I think Bill Self and the program are 100% in the clear but as for Silvio I’m not convinced. Probably for no fault of his own but it’s a dirty game these shoe company’s are playing.
This is a great point. If KU were to field a team of players that didn’t take money, they’d be the worst team in the B12.
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@BShark I personally believe everyone is getting something, I think the NCAA just doesn’t care if you don’t leave a paper trail. Several former top recruits on the matter have said everyones getting paid but we didn’t when asked about it. I think its been going on since the 50s when UK got busted. ESPN radio had a former D1 assistant on a few years back that asked not to be identified and he claimed there is no such thing as a free recruit in today’s game, claimed even the local guys that were fans of the school wanted something because they knew they could get it.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark I personally believe everyone is getting something, I think the NCAA just doesn’t care if you don’t leave a paper trail. Several former top recruits on the matter have said everyones getting paid but we didn’t when asked about it. I think its been going on since the 50s when UK got busted. ESPN radio had a former D1 assistant on a few years back that asked not to be identified and he claimed there is no such thing as a free recruit in today’s game, claimed even the local guys that were fans of the school wanted something because they knew they could get it.
Of course. Don’t ask, don’t tell.
I’m sure KU players paid for their brand new car totally on their own though. A lot of stuff that happens is totally legal like the parents of players being employed (and overpaid) by alumni but not directly attached to the university.
Agree, college athletics have been dirty the entire time. All the way back to the 40s or w/e. We know Wooden was dirty and like you said UK as well.
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@BShark So, apparently lack of money explains the football team, perennially last in the Big 12. Nice to be the honest ones!
