Vick moves on. Forgoes Sr Year



  • Come on down Romeo Langford. Your the next contestant



  • @BeddieKU23 Just heard that. No surprise.



  • I mean it’s almost like this was known for awhile.



  • @BeddieKU23 Are we the overwhelming favorite for Langford at this point with the deepest frontcourt Self has ever had save maybe 2010-2011 with Withey Morrii Robinson?



  • Well… Let’s take a moment of silence to appreciate LaCobra’s 3 solid years for KU, silent assassin, asked to play out of position for the good of the team, amazing hops, zone buster…

    Alright! Good luck LaGerald! Will be pulling for you wherever your travels take you!



  • @approxinfinity On paper, next season’s front court is deeper than that one. Mitch Lightfoot could legitimately end up the 6th big man next season. I don’t think Self has ever had that kind of depth before.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 for sure. I reference that year because those guys were known commodities and all tough and skilled. Plus, none of them were foul happy (that I recall).

    Also, we don’t know Udoka’s status yet.



  • approxinfinity said:

    @BeddieKU23 Are we the overwhelming favorite for Langford at this point with the deepest frontcourt Self has ever had save maybe 2010-2011 with Withey Morrii Robinson?

    I hope so, the need for Langford now cannot possibly be overstated enough



  • @approxinfinity i always wanted him to play the Morii and Trob at the same time, but he never would.



  • @BeddieKU23 Does Vick get pushed out if Langford isn’t in the bag? :thinking:



  • BShark said:

    @BeddieKU23 Does Vick get pushed out if Langford isn’t in the bag? :thinking:

    If things like that really happen that way, give Self a few more bills his way (no pun intended)



  • I do think KU gets Langford. If not I would expect a grad transfer guard. Possibly one that hasn’t announced intent to grad transfer yet. Langford is the much more likely scenario though imo.



  • Ryan thinks Doke will be leaving as well unless his injury throws a wrench into that



  • @BeddieKU23 Feels about 60/40 imo



  • These years worry me, everyone’s already talking about greatness and whatnot. Let’s see how these guys play and play together next season before we claim the title. 2014 with Wigs and Joel come to mind with this talk and Self has under preformed with his most talented teams IMO.



  • @kjayhawks Which title? I’m claiming the Big 12 title already. :joy:



  • kjayhawks said:

    These years worry me, everyone’s already talking about greatness and whatnot. Let’s see how these guys play and play together next season before we claim the title. 2014 with Wigs and Joel come to mind with this talk and Self has under preformed with his most talented teams IMO.

    Huge problem with 2014: Naadir Tharpe.

    Secondary problems: Wiggins introverted/protecting the merchandise, Embiid’s injury.



  • @BShark I agree, I’m just saying lets not count our chickens before they hatch.



  • @kjayhawks I don’t think KU by any means is the runaway title favorite for next year. Still far too early. UK and Nova both could have absolutely FILTHY rosters.

    Still, it’s a lot of talent for Self. More options/talent than have been available recently so it’s more fun to talk about possible line-ups and get excited.



  • Are any of the folks here business owners? Are you ok with interviewing dozens (or more) applicants to find the best, brightest and most qualified for the jobs you have currently open? Do you ever get frustrated when you hire someone who is a perfect fit for your company and has the potential to make your place more successful - and they leave after one year?

    Just wondered.


  • Banned

    @kjayhawks I think it is ok to have very high expectations for this team. Maybe not NC, but anything less than a Conference Championship and EE is a complete failure. FF is my expectations, and NC would be amazing no matter what year it happens.



  • @nuleafjhawk In that situation are you barely paying them whereas the next job they are jumping too makes them millions? Silly comparison.


  • Banned

    @nuleafjhawk Not frustrating. If they are a perfect fit and elevated your business, you should just be happy they worked there even if it was just for a year.

    If people are leaving after just one year, than either you are, one, developing them very well and they are taking a big step forward when they leave. Or, two, you aren’t providing enough for them, so they leave.

    Are you not more frustrated when you interview a dozen or so people and the one you pick doesn’t live up to expectations for an extended period of time and it actually hampers your entire company?



  • @nuleafjhawk Perhaps a better way to look at it … we bring in possible one year player with our eyes wide open. We know this going into the interview. We could bypass such issues and approach things as other high level programs do, and skip the presumed OADs. So it appears we actually want this hassle. If not, recruit a different tier of player.

    Right now, sure, I would have rather had a #20 - 65 player in the bag as opposed to the presumed OAD. But we couldn’t get that guy in the bag in the fall with Newman and Vick uncertainty. It was just the lay of the land. Now, what’s the best move? Bag Langford and maybe we recruit to that position and land three year guy that knows the spot is opening up.


  • Banned

    @HighEliteMajor We already landed the 3 year replacement. Langford is icing on cake at this point.



  • nuleafjhawk said:

    Are any of the folks here business owners? Are you ok with interviewing dozens (or more) applicants to find the best, brightest and most qualified for the jobs you have currently open? Do you ever get frustrated when you hire someone who is a perfect fit for your company and has the potential to make your place more successful - and they leave after one year?

    Just wondered.

    Every year buddy. I wish all the best interns would come back, but few do. (And that’s a better comparison to college ball than a full time employee imho since both are in college. ) I’m happy for the successful ones…and happy to see some of the others leave as well.



  • @nuleafjhawk I’m still missing Releford, trob, Frank and I’m gonna really miss DG. I get so attached to these great guys that mean so much to KU. Doesn’t matter how long, I still like a lot of them even if they leave early. Ben Mac needed to feed his family, he’s also one of my favs. He loved school! He probably never had it so good!



  • @BShark As you just resorted to saying I made a silly comparison - You just asked a question you don’t know the answer to. That’s silly.



  • @nuleafjhawk

    It depends what I am hiring for.

    If I am hiring entry level positions, I don’t expect talented people to stay in those positions very long. Most very talented people are also ambitious enough that once they outgrow that position, they will move on to a position that is more in line with their abilities.

    If I am hiring for mid and upper management, I expect more of a long term commitment, but that comes with offering more as well - higher salary, more authority, more benefits, etc.

    CBB is the equivalent of the entry level position. Once these guys show that they can handle that position, they are going to move to the higher, more demanding position because college can’t offer them that. Asking a potential OAD to stay is like asking a person with CEO talent to remain in the mailroom. Eventually, they will just walk out because their talent dictates it.



  • @nuleafjhawk The question was rhetorical.



  • Anyone else see the full comments from Vick’s mom?

    “He played for one of the greatest teams there is. Now it’s time for him to forward. You can’t go to a place and stay. You go, handle your business and move on to something different and allow another kid to move into your spot. You can’t block somebody else by being selfish. I look at him being selfless; somebody else will come in and take his position”

    So really, please nobody blame Vick for this move. It seems abundantly clear that he didn’t have a spot on next year’s team.

    @BeddieKU23 @nuleafjhawk


  • Banned

    @BShark It sounds like the Vick’s were told Romeo is coming, as well as it seemed like the Vick’s know his stock is about as high as it can get in college. He will have to go prove he can play with the big boys now.



  • @Kcmatt7 didnt think we have an available scholarship for Langford if Vick didn’t leave?



  • @nuleafjhawk You’re hiring? How much? When can I start? I need off during all Jayhawk games and season tickets as a perk. I also need time for a daily nap, golf on Fridays, and being a teacher for 25 years I’ll also need a week at Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and June July and most of August.



  • I just want to say this somewhere. Romeo, O Romeo, Wherefore art thou?


  • Banned

    @approxinfinity always a way of making room. If Vick wanted to stay, I’m not sure Cunliffe wasn’t the one to go. If he doesn’t go still. I’d put him on transfer notice now.



  • @wissox Classic!



  • wissox said:

    @nuleafjhawk You’re hiring? How much? When can I start? I need off during all Jayhawk games and season tickets as a perk. I also need time for a daily nap, golf on Fridays, and being a teacher for 25 years I’ll also need a week at Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and June July and most of August.

    I’m in! Same deal!



  • step two - - -Check - - now - it’s set up and the final question IS? - - Romeo Langford - - where will you be attending School next year? - - and Romeo will respond? " 1st of all I want to thank GOD - - -my Coach - -and all my teammates - - I want to thank my mom and dad - and to all the School, s that recruited me - -Thank you- -this was not an easy decision - - BUT having said that - I would like to announce that next year I will be attending - - - - -THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS - - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY



  • “I told Coach Self, ‘Look, I’m still coming to Late Night,’” she said with a laugh. “We’ve still got two Memphis boys on the time in Dedric and K.J. (Lawson). I appreciate Kansas basketball taking us places we’ve never been. And I really appreciate Coach Self and the staff for letting me be myself. They always accepted me. The people there were so nice to our family. And this journey for Lagerald has been amazing.”



  • @nuleafjhawk Had very many short term emps like that thru the decades. Always blowing superior sounding, name dropping all the way smoke, but always looking for the easy road. Very few worth keeping unless meeting proven criteria, which most had several classic excuses to totally avoid. Very large draws against commissions were quite the norm too. That’s a total dead give away right there

    When right up front they need "this, & that & more, (June, July, August- WTF?) don’t waste your efforts. Sundays were always debatable. Nothing to do with PC but everything to do with God. Many are way too exponentially special & self proclaimed intelligent for their own good, but do not have balls enough to even remotely attempt any type career on their own. Is a smoke screen for lack of confidence IMO. Like I said, lookin for the easy road on the short (school) bus that someone else, like taxpayers, pays the driver.Then on top of that they’ll either want to retire early … or get disability for stress related employment… Ha ! And then there’s freakin tenure (Oh shit!) if they’re solid enough to stick to one dang district instead of being “Papa Was a Rolling Stone” - I’m movin on from place to place. WTH though, at least I love them Temptations !!! JK No malice.



  • I don’t have a good feeling about Vick’s departure.

    Vick played 3rd most average minutes and averaged 12 ppg. Not bad. He started in a Final Four, too. Impressive. But an awful lot of guys have started as 3rd or 4th options in the FF and never played in the NBA.

    Further, Lagerald shot only 37% from trey land and only 67% from the FT line. And he wasn’t big and strong enough to not need a lot of help on defense against true 3s. Everyone in the NBA is as good as Bridges. Self could find quite a few guys that could give him those numbers.

    Langford’s hype says he could, maybe more, but we all know how rarely 5-star freshmen can step in and fulfill the hype that first season, especially on defense, for Self.

    Vick is probably going to have to play D league, or overseas, unless I am missing an aspect of his game, so, he should have stayed a senior season, even as a sixth man, and gotten a degree and Self should have wanted him to, if things were good between him and Self, and there were no skeletons in his past from his association with LB, nor stuff we don’t know about the last two seasons.

    My antennae often go up about players, when their mothers, or fathers, start explaining what appear odd situations, especially early departures.

    Lightfoot appeared the guy that should have gotten pushed overboard to get Langford, not Vick, under normal circumstances. Lightfoot was the guy given the ominous “Bill-Self-no-play” the last two games. Rotation guys that suddenly get the no-play the last game or two are at significant risk historically of shortly saying (or having their parents say) how much they have loved their time at KU, but feel its time for them to move on.

    Don’t get this situation.

    Feels like more than Langford availability and already signed recruits.

    Maybe more to the story?



  • @jaybate-1.0 Yeah, But Mitchell is an engineering student with a PDG GPA, & he’s good for the redshirt year too.? How was Vick as a student 👩‍🎓? Suggesting a return for a degree may be premature, but have not inquired to those who would know. Leadership wise, I didn’t see Vick where HCBS could lean on him for floor generalalship. LV was a superior athlete but this year played like he was protecting the “jewels “ Just MO. Maybe I missed something but his aggression was much different than sophomore or even freshman season when he WOWED us all into thinking 🤔 he was a great talent on the scale of an Oubre, Wiggs, or maybe a McLemore. IMO not even close without the endorsement from Self.



  • @jaybate-1-0 The information is all readily available. Call it a mutual decision between Vick’s family and Self. I said it before he announced, Vick needs money and needs to just start his career now, even if it is, as I suspect, overseas.



  • Will not sniff the nba but will make good $$. Call Keith Langford asap Lacobra for big brotherly advice.



  • @Fightsongwriter Vick is not Keith Langford. Langford was playing for top division teams and occasionally inquired about by NBA teams. Vick will end with 2nd and 3rd tier teams in Europe.


  • Banned

    Vick should still be able to play for a good chunk of change overseas. Maybe not $1M+ a year like Langford, but six figures for sure.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 I think he was just suggesting he get advice from him … Vick will make a good living. But you’re right, definitely not Keith Langford. Or Romeo, for that matter.

    @jaybate-1-0 Ok, so let’s go with your Mitch tangent. Do you really think he is on the outs, or on the transfer block? I agree that the bench in the last two games has been solid circumstantial evidence. But we have no other evidence. Not even a shred. So I really don’t. With other guys that found the bench late, we had more smoke.

    How about wild, irresponsible speculation, that goes with your more reserved observation – Mitch got punched by Dedric (leading to Dedric staying home from Italy), and they don’t get along, and thus Self is trying to make nice for next year, and Mitch’s scholarship may actually be at risk? (please note, I am still searching for the assassin, a/k/a the guy who punched Mitch)

    I think he’s the program player we all want to occupy a scholarship or two. I’ve said this before and been surprised … but, it would seem the Lightfoot family would have known the lay of the land at Kansas. PT is shifting sand here and only as available as the next OAD. Hopefully he’s a lifer here.



  • @jaybate-1.0 Mitch isn’t going to transfer. He bleeds KU. If you tried to lock him out of the building, he would break in. He’s a Jayhawk for life.



  • @HighEliteMajor

    I didn’t speculate that Mitch took an eye steak from a Lawson, but it’s an interesting hypothesis I recall some posing after I noted possible team chemistry problems early on with Svi and Malik.

    But if Self were to have Doke, Silvio, and two Lawsi, and with Vick taking the Adios Express, along with DG, Malik and Svi, Self desperately needs trey guns, not 5th or 6th bigs without trey guns.

    The looming shortage of trey guns is the evidence that dovetails with the two game no play.

    Eye steaks for Mitch from Lawsii still seems outside the flashlight penumbra, until more turns up.


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