Draft Declarations Thread
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Pretty sure he’s not thinking nba
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I could see Frankamp doing well in the lower levels of overseas ball. He’s a great shooter, so he can earn money for years with that. Not an NBA talent, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him still getting paid to play basketball 10 years from now.
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@justanotherfan Nobody from KU yet. No surprise there. I think that VIck, Newman and Doke will all test the waters, probly get an invite to the combine too. Beyond that? I have no idea. Word is Newman should go pro. Vick and Doke, I think should both come back. But what if we get Langford?
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Nobody from the Final Four teams will declare until next Tuesday. Probably will see Wagner from Michigan, the three from KU and Bridges from Villanova. Maybe a few others as well.
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And the list of fools grows. 30 or so NBA teams, 60 draft picks, nearly half are taken these days by foreigners it seems. Plus graduating seniors hope to get drafted. A bunch of 1 or 2 year ‘educated’ college dropouts with nothing to show for it.
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@wissox They can go back now as long as no agent is hired.
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Evans of Cincinnati w/out Agent. I would however expect he stays in the draft
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My guess is Newman declares with agent, Doke declares w/o and probably comes back and Vick ends up somewhere else one way or another.
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Agree on all.
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Nick Ward from Michigan St declares without an agent
Drew Eubanks from Oregon St declares with agent. LOL at that one
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Does Oregon need a scholarship? lol
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Almost 40% of the players that played in the NBA this season spent some time in the G League before latching on with the NBA full time. I would expect that number to continue to climb, as probably only the true superstars entering the NBA won’t spend at least some time in the G League for development. And with G League salaries now up to $75,000 per year, that’s a very viable option.
Take Malik Newman for instance. He will either be a PG at the next level, or an undersized 2. Either way, he’s going to be playing on the ball a lot more, probably as a PnR playmaker. If Malik is going to stick as a pro, he needs more reps on that stuff, particularly since he’s already been in college for three years. If Malik were to stay at KU next year, he would probably still spend one or two seasons in the G League before being a full time NBA player. This way, he can spend that time in the G League (probably making $150,000+ over those two years) vs. playing for free at KU with the same risk of injury, not making it. If that happens, he can always go back and finish his degree if he so chooses, but he will have some savings to his name if he is smart with his money.
Obviously, he could be foolish and squander it, but that’s not something that is particularly exclusive to athletes, despite the narrative. I have several friends from college that are in dire straits financially, and we all graduated. Some just didn’t make very good decisions with their money.
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When did the contracts for the G League get that high? I thought most were around 25k? Is that taking into account 2 way contracts?
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It was when they switched from D-League to G League. The Gatorade sponsorship raised the contract minimums because the NBA wants to have players utilize that as a development model rather than going to Europe or something else. $75k is enough to make it worthwhile to not worry about culture shock, etc.
This is all part of the NBA’s ultimate plan to have more say in the development model for their league, similar to baseball and European soccer (the MLS is starting to do this as well, although the academies are not as well established as their European counterparts).
The two way contracts allow guys to make over a quarter of a million. I would imagine here in a few years you will see most first rounders and pretty much every second rounder on two way deals for their first year unless they can come in and start right away.
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Jaren Jackson JR declaring w/ agent. What a wasted one year at MSU.
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BShark said:
Jaren Jackson JR declaring w/ agent. What a wasted one year at MSU.
Top 3 pick potentially, yeah that was just a matter of time. I’m a little on the fence with him. Lots of talent, not sure he’s really ready for this.
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Thanks! I think the general consensus out there is that the G-League isn’t paying well enough but if that’s where they are headed towards then we will see a dramatic shift in the top HS kids in the future as well. Bazley is yet another example of this from this years class.
I’m surprised its taken the league this long to go in this direction.
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By Vick leaving are we are talking about to play pro ball somewhere, but not transferring, correct?
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Yes, lots of options for him to play pro.
Transferring out to sit a year to play 1 wouldn’t seem likely
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@BucknellJayhawk3 This is the exact scenario why players should all be able to hire agents strictly to get the best information possible.
Vick should be able to sign an agent who can get him offers from all over the World and he could make a truly informed decision. Instead, Vick has no idea what his pro prospects look like.
That is a rule that should be changed.
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@BShark said, “My guess is Newman declares with agent, Doke declares w/o and probably comes back and Vick ends up somewhere else one way or another.”
BeddieKU23 said:
Agree on all.
Ditto.
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Tony Carr leaving Penn State.
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@BShark Vick leaving appears to be the prevailing feeling. What is driving that?
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@Hawk8086 Perhaps the apparent lack of commitment on the court game after game???
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Shine and Sima leaving Okie St.
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BShark said:
Shine and Sima leaving Okie St.
Oklahoma St returning 3 players who even played. lol. 5 open scholarships
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Barry Brown from K-St declares without Agent.
Dewan Huell from Miami declares without Agent.
Clemons’s duo of Reed & Mitchell declare without Agents.
Kevin Knox and Alexander of Kentucky expected to declare with Agents any day.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Shine and Sima leaving Okie St.
Oklahoma St returning 3 players who even played. lol. 5 open scholarships
I thought they were going to be interesting next year but now…
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Shine and Sima leaving Okie St.
Oklahoma St returning 3 players who even played. lol. 5 open scholarships
I thought they were going to be interesting next year but now…
Dumpster fire now. Except when they find 4 grad transfers that play like Kobe against KU.
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Jaren Jackson’s statement is awesome.
Michigan State is an amazing place. And this has been an amazing year —from the time I hit the campus in June for summer workouts and summer school until now. I never imagined it would be like this. Never. Playing for Coach Izzo and the rest of the staff has been incredible. They’ve helped me develop so much, both on and off the court. After only one year, I know my memories are few but they will never be forgotten: football games, late night study group and early morning study hall at the Smith Center, the Breslin and the mighty Izzone, the PK80 title, the outright Big Ten Championship, and being recognized as Freshman of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year in the B1G. Please know that nothing was lost on me. Still, nothing is bigger than the bond I have with my teammates. These guys are my family. They will always be my brothers.
Spartans, this was not an automatic decision. And honestly, thank you for making it one of the toughest decisions I’ve ever had to think about. While playing in the NBA was always my dream and desire, I did not know the opportunity would present itself in quite this way. I’m ready to live my dreams and I cannot pass it up. Therefore, the time has come to declare for the 2018 NBA Draft.
Even though I will no longer play for MSU, I will ALWAYS be a Spartan! I will finish my studies and I will kiss the Spartan helmet on the Breslin court.
#SpartanForLife
Go Green!
-Jaren
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Ray Spalding hiring an agent from Louisville.
Nevada’s trio, twins Cody & Caleb Martin & Jordan Caroline testing without agents
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He was automatically gone before he stepped foot in College. These kids are funny
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@BShark Mercy , going to be lots of new faces in the Big 12 next year. - -Okie St - - Texas Tech -Texas
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@BShark I find quite a bit of class in it
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BeddieKU23 said:
He was automatically gone before he stepped foot in College. These kids are funny
I thought it was cool. Clearly he loved it there. I didn’t get that feeling from some of the KU oads.
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I agree it was a classy letter. I just find it funny that the decision was actually that difficult after he’s been projected Top 5 prospect since last spring
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Yeah you have to go when you are projected top 5. Then again Bridges stayed. Something in the water up there I guess.
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@BShark I don’t think Self helps himself though. He trusts experienced players to a fault. Look how much of an impact De Sousa made when Self was forced to develop him.
Oubre, Cliff, Diallo and Bragg (not OAD, but probably could have been in the right circumstance I think) all got screwed coming here imo. Tons of talent that we just never unleashed.
Bill will forever be fitting square pegs into round holes. I’m not saying to go full Calipari and just hope your talent plays well enough to overcome poor strategy, but 3 out of those 4 should have been major impact players at the college level.
But then there are other guys that I think never were here mentally. Henry, Selby and Wiggs should never have played college ball. We weren’t even Henry’s or Selby’s first choice. So that definitely doesn’t help with buying in. Wiggs has literally never looked like he even likes playing basketball.
The only OAD that has seemed worth taking so far is JJ.
That’s the reason I like the recruits we have this season. Dotson De Sousa and Grimes would have to have monster years to be OAD. They have something to play for instead of these higher ranked guys that are just trying to make it through a year.
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Declarations will probably pick up now that the season is over.
I imagine Brunson, Bridges, Wagner, and Newman will all declare with or without agents in the next few days. Quite a few others may test the waters.
It wouldn’t be the worst decision for guys like Azubuike and Dean Wade (KSU) to test the waters so they know where they specifically need to improve over the next year. That’s what Barry Brown is likely doing, and I think it is smart for a guy that may be a year away to test and get feedback. Because you can’t really have contact, most college players don’t have anyone they can talk to that can give them legitimate feedback and guidance. Vick should at least test the water for that reason. Even if he does return, he needs a specific list of things to work on so that he can round out his game to have the best possible opportunity in the pros.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I don’t think Self helps himself though. He trusts experienced players to a fault. Look how much of an impact De Sousa made when Self was forced to develop him.
Oubre, Cliff, Diallo and Bragg (not OAD, but probably could have been in the right circumstance I think) all got screwed coming here imo. Tons of talent that we just never unleashed.
Bill will forever be fitting square pegs into round holes. I’m not saying to go full Calipari and just hope your talent plays well enough to overcome poor strategy, but 3 out of those 4 should have been major impact players at the college level.
But then there are other guys that I think never were here mentally. Henry, Selby and Wiggs should never have played college ball. We weren’t even Henry’s or Selby’s first choice. So that definitely doesn’t help with buying in. Wiggs has literally never looked like he even likes playing basketball.
The only OAD that has seemed worth taking so far is JJ.
That’s the reason I like the recruits we have this season. Dotson De Sousa and Grimes would have to have monster years to be OAD. They have something to play for instead of these higher ranked guys that are just trying to make it through a year.
Overall I would agree.
Cliff was coming along before the suspension issue.
Oubre and Diallo were just about Self’s biggest failures at KU imo. Oubre played about as many minutes as Jamari, while Oubre was no worse than the third best player on that team. Self should have unleashed Oubre from the start, instead he stifled him and it hurt his development.
Grimes thinks he is OAD. He very well might be but I can see some struggles with him early. Dotson I think will be the man from day one. Very nice job by the staff getting a good class with good fits in an overall weak class.
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I will respectfully disagree on Oubre. Only Mason (36), Perry (34) and Selden (36) started more games than Oubre (27) and comparing his time with Traylor is not correct since Traylor was the starting Center sharing time with Lucas and Alexander and neither of them was that competent or experienced at the the time while Oubre was competing for time with Selden, Ellis, Svi and Green and yet he managed to average 21 mpg (more in conference play) and was the overall #15 pick in the draft after his freshman year. Perry, Selden, Mason, Graham and Green had all better 3 point shooting % than Oubre.
All things consider, a pretty successful year for Oubre.
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@JayHawkFanToo Oubre was never competing for time with Perry for PT really. I never remember a time where Ellis played the “3.” Oubre should have been playing 30mpg easy. His advanced stats are off the charts compared to all of the other guards. Had we let him play through mistakes and grow, I think he probably goes top 5 in the draft and leaves on a similar note as JJ. He was our best defender and most efficient scoring guard. He almost lead the team in steals despite the fact he played much less than any Frank or Selden.
He should have gotten all of Svi’s minutes that year. Svi was a 17 year old who could barely speak any English at that point. Yet he ate up 11 mpg.
I could not confidently say Oubre was handled correctly, or in the best way to maximize the team’s potential by the end of the season.
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Ethan Happ declares but won’t hire agent which probably means he’s back (fingers crossed) for his senior Badger season.
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@JayHawkFanToo Oubre was better than Selden that year. It wasn’t particularly close either.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@JayHawkFanToo Oubre was never competing for time with Perry for PT really. I never remember a time where Ellis played the “3.” Oubre should have been playing 30mpg easy. His advanced stats are off the charts compared to all of the other guards. Had we let him play through mistakes and grow, I think he probably goes top 5 in the draft and leaves on a similar note as JJ. He was our best defender and most efficient scoring guard. He almost lead the team in steals despite the fact he played much less than any Frank or Selden.
He should have gotten all of Svi’s minutes that year. Svi was a 17 year old who could barely speak any English at that point. Yet he ate up 11 mpg.
I could not confidently say Oubre was handled correctly, or in the best way to maximize the team’s potential by the end of the season.
Real talk right here.
I think Selden was playing nicked up that year which didn’t help.
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It is hard to tell whether Oubre was better than Selden since it a a subjective opinion but Selden had the advantage of an extra year in the system. Oubre’s numbers might be somewhat skewed because he did not play as much at the start of the season and his playing time increased as the season moved on. Both were All Big 12 Honorable Mention; Perry was First team and Mason Second team All Conference.
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@JayHawkFanToo In that case it’s kind of more impressive, because Oubre couldn’t compile stats against weak teams. Like what Vick did this year.
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I was referring to playing time, his scoring increased in proportion to the increased playing time.
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Oubre came on strong late. Bill himself said he should’ve played him more early in the season. Lesson learned. Water under the bridge.
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PJ Washington of Kentucky, no Agent
Isiah Moss of Iowa, no Agent
Kris Wilkes of UCLA, no Agent
Konate of West Virginia, no Agent
Zhaire Smith of Texas Tech, no Agent
