Draft Declarations Thread
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It would be a challenge for Bill to keep everyone happy. Mitch in that situation might consider a RS.
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With Doke and Silvio AND another Wing I see it as:
- Dedric - KJ
- Doke - Silvio
With Doke and Silvio and No Wing I see it as:
- Dedric - KJ - Silvio - Mitch
- Doke - Silvio - Big Dave
Without Doke I see it as:
- KJ - Silvio - Mitch
- Dedric - Silvio - Big Dave
Without Silvio I see it as:
- Dedric - KJ - Mitch
- Doke - Big Dave
Without either I see it as:
- KJ - Mitch - Garrett
- Dedric - Big Dave
I am not worried about the post rotation. Worse case scenario, we lose both and we start 5 guys who can all shoot the 3.
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Lulufulu said:
Someone do me a favor, ( assuming Silvio stays and is cleared & Doke stays ) what does our post rotation look like next season?
I realize that’s a lot of IFs.
Personally I hope Silvio gets cleared and can play ball for us. I kind of believe his caretaker, whoever, that they didn’t take any money from that Adidas agent guy.Sure. Dedric and Doke start. Dedric will play 30+ and Doke hopefully 25ish. Silvio will be the first off the bench and can play the 4 or 5. KJ can play some 4 as well depending on the matchup. Dave will be the 4th or 5th big. He and Mitch will play sparingly. I agree with @BShark in that Mitch may consider taking a RS. Being 4th on the depth chart at your position isn’t a recipe for PT.
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@BShark I personally really hope that Mitch does RS. I don’t think he will play much at all next year and he could develop into something a couple years down the road.
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@Woodrow We deserve a really annoying white guy who is good for no physical reason other than he just plays harder. Like where is our Singler, Kelly, Hansbrough?
Mitch could become the most hated player in basketball!
But I do agree, it probably requires a redshirt to accomplish that. He might as well get a free 5th year paid for right?
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@Kcmatt7 Dave isn’t shooting any threes imo.
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Woodrow said:
@BShark I personally really hope that Mitch does RS. I don’t think he will play much at all next year and he could develop into something a couple years down the road.
I think it should only be in play if Doke and Silvio are around though. If not, I think Mitch would be a valuable contributor.
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@BShark I’d just say screw it and start Dedric at the 5 and KJ at the 4 if we lost both.
Dedric has an 8’11 standing reach. He could literally guard anyone.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark I’d just say screw it and start Dedric at the 5 and KJ at the 4 if we lost both.
Dedric has an 8’11 standing reach. He could literally guard anyone.
The only situation where I wouldn’t start Dedric and KJ is if Doke is back.
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@BShark I would be fine with that.
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@Kcmatt7 Yeah I mean KJ will be in his 4th year out of HS, that will definitely be a factor. Plus he is pretty good in general. Versatile defender, very good rebounder.
Even if Silvio is able to play which I doubt he would be better coming off the bench imo.
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Lulufulu said:
Someone do me a favor, ( assuming Silvio stays and is cleared & Doke stays ) what does our post rotation look like next season?
I realize that’s a lot of IFs.
Personally I hope Silvio gets cleared and can play ball for us. I kind of believe his caretaker, whoever, that they didn’t take any money from that Adidas agent guy.Like you said - - IF- I’ve talked to several friends - so many combinations if it all works out. - You could see Doke starting at the 5 with McCormack backing him - -And Silvio backing Dedric at the 4 - - plus Silvio playing some 5. - - If we get Romeo - -we could see Romeo at the 3 with KJ backing him. -Or possibly if Mitch for some reason wouldn’t red shirt - You could see Doke & McCormack- - - and then Mitch possibly backing them at the 5–plus backing Dedric and Silvio at the 4 - -Play Romeo and KJ at the 3 -All kinds of possibilities. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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What is the scoop on Doke?
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@Blown Matt Tait said late this afternoon that Doke would be making a decision quite possibly as early as tomorrow, and said nothing has changed feels like Doke will test the waters without an agent. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Blown said:
What is the scoop on Doke?
Chances are he’s back unless he gets a guarantee to get drafted and a good shot at making a NBA roster.
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Brian Bowen declares for the draft but wants to play at South Carolina. These two things don’t match.
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Graham, a 6-foot-2 point guard from Raleigh, N.C., on Wednesday signed with CAA (Creative Arts Agency), which has U.S. offices in Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago, New York, Moorestown, N.J., and Jacksonville Beach, Fla.
Former KU standout Joel Embiid is represented by CAA, as well as Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul, Paul George, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Tony Parker and others.
Mykhailiuk re-tweeted a Twitter posting by SIG (Sports International Group), which revealed it had reached agreement with the 6-foot-8 forward from Ukraine.
SIG clients include former KU forward Tarik Black, plus Lauri Markkanen, Alex Len and others.
Meanwhile, former KU guard Malik Newman will announce his choice of an agent on Friday, his dad, Horatio Webster, said on Wednesday.
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This is going to be attractive to Doke no matter what. I still believe he’s leaving
The G league announced on Tuesday that it was raising its base salary per player for the 2018-19 season to $7,000 per month for the five-month season, which works out to $35,000 salary for any given player.
Two-way contracts from the G League and the NBA, which sets their salary at $77,250 are up from this years rate as well
In addition to their salaries, players under NBA G League contracts will continue to have the opportunity to earn additional money through affiliate player bonuses and NBA Call-Ups. This season, about one quarter of players under NBA G League contracts also earned an average of $44,000 in NBA affiliate player bonuses – a total of more than $3 million on top of their NBA G League salaries. A record 50 NBA G League players earned a record 60 GATORADE Call-Ups to the NBA this season, generating earnings of more than $11 million, or approximately $225,000 per player.
The NBA G League also pays bonuses to players on NBA G League playoff teams and to those recognized as end-of-season performance award winners. The league awarded more than $225,000 in bonus money this season.
Further, in accordance with the NBA and National Basketball Players Association collective bargaining agreement, NBA players will continue to be able to enter into two-way contracts. NBA two-way players will earn $77,250, prorated for days spent on an NBA G League roster, and the NBA rookie minimum salary, prorated for the days with their NBA team, for maximum potential earnings of $385,000 next season. This season, 83 players across all 30 NBA teams signed two-way contracts.
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@BeddieKU23 I still say Doke leaving makes the most sense in being able to get Silvio and Dave.
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In the back of my mind I have always kind of thought that during the whole recruiting process that some how the Coach’s their selling point to De Sousa & McCormick was that they thought Doke would be gone. I just get this feel that getting Silvio & McCormick both to come they really would want to both be here knowing that Doke comes back. -I - really feel that they had been told chances are that he was gone.
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jayballer73 said:
In the back of my mind I have always kind of thought that during the whole recruiting process that some how the Coach’s their selling point to De Sousa & McCormick was that they thought Doke would be gone. I just get this feel that getting Silvio & McCormick both to come they really would want to both be here knowing that Doke comes back. -I - really feel that they had been told chances are that he was gone.
Exactly. Is either of them coming to be the 5th big next year? I don’t think so.
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@BShark Right. - -I mean they want their minutes-- -who doesn’t? - I dunno just my take/feel on this. - Is Doke ready? - - hell no but then again, there more likely then not going to take that gamble on just his size alone
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@jayballer73 Depends. Is he ready for the NBA definitely not, but he could easily make it in another league that pays well.
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@BShark Very true - - -always the over sea’s option also that so many take. - just Like SVI - I would almost be totally shocked if he just doesn’t end up back home playing ball in his home land some where and making decent money
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I could see Svi getting drafted in the 2nd round.
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@BShark True - - - -BUT is there really that big of difference between 2nd round NBA play and over sea’s with a chance to be back home for the same or close to the same and be close to family and friends - -especially how we saw at Senior night how close he is to his dad?
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KJ Lawson is probably going to be the guy that makes most of our lineups work because of his versatility. We can go big or small with KJ on the floor because he can slide up or down (and defend basically anyone but the biggest fives and quickest ones.
Against a big team, KJ plays the 3 and gives us ball handling. Imagine a lineup of Grimes-Langford-KJ-Dedric-Doke. That’s a four out lineup that not many college teams can deal with. Switch Silvio or Big Dave for Doke and that’s still a tough lineup to work with.
But KJ can also slide down the scale if we need him to. Imagine a small lineup with Dedric at the 5, KJ at the 4, then Grimes, Dotson and Moore. As @Kcmatt7 said, Dedric is big enough and strong enough to handle the 5 against everyone but the best 7 footers. KJ rebounds well enough to lock down the 4, and that lineup is a nightmare to guard because everyone can shoot and handle. I think we played a team like that one time… (probably too soon).
With the ability to plug KJ, Grimes and Agbaji into a variety of lineups because of their size, skill and athleticism, KU isn’t locked into specific lineups. That’s one benefit of KJ having been here all year. He knows the responsibilities of the different spots and will probably play almost all of those spots over the next year.
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justanotherfan said:
KJ Lawson is probably going to be the guy that makes most of our lineups work because of his versatility. We can go big or small with KJ on the floor because he can slide up or down (and defend basically anyone but the biggest fives and quickest ones.
Against a big team, KJ plays the 3 and gives us ball handling. Imagine a lineup of Grimes-Langford-KJ-Dedric-Doke. That’s a four out lineup that not many college teams can deal with. Switch Silvio or Big Dave for Doke and that’s still a tough lineup to work with.
But KJ can also slide down the scale if we need him to. Imagine a small lineup with Dedric at the 5, KJ at the 4, then Grimes, Dotson and Moore. As @Kcmatt7 said, Dedric is big enough and strong enough to handle the 5 against everyone but the best 7 footers. KJ rebounds well enough to lock down the 4, and that lineup is a nightmare to guard because everyone can shoot and handle. I think we played a team like that one time… (probably too soon).
With the ability to plug KJ, Grimes and Agbaji into a variety of lineups because of their size, skill and athleticism, KU isn’t locked into specific lineups. That’s one benefit of KJ having been here all year. He knows the responsibilities of the different spots and will probably play almost all of those spots over the next year.
I’m with you on KJ. At first when he came here I wasn’t but he was solid on the Italy trip and I’ve been hearing only good things. I think he’s going to play, and play a lot. The kind of player that just finds minutes on a Self team.
Oh and I think you actually named the early starting line-up, provided Romeo isn’t landed.
Dotson - Moore- Grimes - KJ - Dedric.
Maybe Garrett sneaks in there instead of Moore.
With Garrett it could easily be an elite defensive line-up. Moore makes it a little better offensively but probably slightly worse overall. Though, against opposing line-ups where you can try to hide Moore defensively it might be better.
That’s a lot of length and disruption of passing lanes. Dedric has a freak show 7’2.5’’ wingspan. KJ is no slouch either with a 7’ wingspan. Grimes for a guard fooling around with a 6’7’’ wingspan should be disruptive as well. In the Garrett line-up, well we know about his D already. He had some lapses but is a willing defender and is also rangy and long (though I don’t know his wingspan measurement). Then you have Dotson at PG at 6’2’’ with good lateral quickness and from everything I’ve seen he is a willing defender as well. Dotson would be the only player out there under 6’5’’. That’s a nightmare for opposing offenses if everybody is locked in and committed on D.
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Unfortunately for us, I think there will be some lucrative offers for Doke overseas. He is a project with a huge potential payoff. But besides that, he has a bit of a “circus side show” effect going for him as well.
“Come one come all and see this giant freak Dunk everything!” He will, at the very least, sell some tickets. I think that makes him a valuable commodity for an overseas team trying to get people to gain an interest in basketball.
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Also something to note is that KJ will be 22 by the time KU plays its first game next season.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Unfortunately for us, I think there will be some lucrative offers for Doke overseas. He is a project with a huge potential payoff. But besides that, he has a bit of a “circus side show” effect going for him as well.
“Come one come all and see this giant freak Dunk everything!” He will, at the very least, sell some tickets. I think that makes him a valuable commodity for an overseas team trying to get people to gain an interest in basketball.
There may be, but they’ll be more lucrative a year from now. Self and company are terrific at developing bigs (Silvio being the recent example) and this will be Doke’s first healthy summer in Lawrence. Look out.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Unfortunately for us, I think there will be some lucrative offers for Doke overseas. He is a project with a huge potential payoff. But besides that, he has a bit of a “circus side show” effect going for him as well.
“Come one come all and see this giant freak Dunk everything!” He will, at the very least, sell some tickets. I think that makes him a valuable commodity for an overseas team trying to get people to gain an interest in basketball.
There may be, but they’ll be more lucrative a year from now. Self and company are terrific at developing bigs (Silvio being the recent example) and this will be Doke’s first healthy summer in Lawrence. Look out.
Would you rather have Doke or Bassey?
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Doke without question. No eligibility questions and he’s going to have a fantastic year. I will say though that I love Bassey’s game. He’s a better passer, rebounder, and shot blocker than Doke. Just not a good interior scorer or defender yet.
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@FarmerJayhawk I’m not arguing that. I’m just saying he is going to have tempting offers come in and he is in a rough spot as far as decisions go.
I hope he stays. I really, really hope he stays. But I don’t know what I would do in the same position as him.
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Doke of course.
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@Kcmatt7 he’s only 18. Will his guardians follow him?
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@Crimsonorblue22 There are kids younger than him playing pro ball in Europe.
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@Kcmatt7 he seems so immature
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@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t know that it changes from 18 to 19 lol.
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Euro basketball has changed a lot in recent years and the better Leagues now develop their own players. The time when American players would star is long gone. Most players that go there, like Preston and the Ball brothers, end up playing in the smaller Leagues where pay is not that good and conditions are poor. Better opportunities in the Middle and Far East, particularly China, but I read the living conditions are particularly bad.
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@JayHawkFanToo Perry loves it in Australia and Landen is having a great time in Japan. Those would seem like two solid options depending on salary. Nice, highly developed countries. Australia has the added benefit of English being the primary language too.
And yeah the money is good in China but ugh the living conditions there.
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The only thing that changes from 18 to 19 is that parents are usually too far away to keep you from doing the dumb stuff you came up with at 18.
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Australia is a new but small market. Landen grew up in Japan and speaks Japanese so I imagine it is a lot easier for him than for the average foreign player.
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@JayHawkFanToo I’m just saying there are good options in developed countries. Agree it might be tougher to go to Japan given their culture towards outsiders.
Basketball has exploded in Europe so you are right that teams have a lot more home grown talent. Still there is money to be made for a good US player.
I have confidence that the KU staff will help outgoing players try and find the best situation for them.
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One thing not being considered, Doke might technically be worth more. I don’t know if the rules limit Americans, or just foreign players. I think it is just American players. That would give Doke a lot more options and potentially drive his price up a bit, being as how he isn’t technically an “American.”
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The Michael Jordan of Delaware declares for the Draft without an agent
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BeddieKU23 said:
The Michael Jordan of Delaware declares for the Draft without an agent
Hope him and Spellman stay in.
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There are some leagues that limit American’s only. Doke would be a big advantage in those leagues. Others are foreigners, period, and Doke would not qualify for that. However, if Doke can get citizenship in one of the countries, he could then fetch a big pay day.
I have no doubt Doke could make a good living playing ball in Europe.
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I am not saying there are no opportunities overseas, only that there are considerably fewer in the better Euro Leagues than before, otherwise, a player like Preston with a higher ceiling than Doke would not be playing in the Bosnian League for nominal pay. Keep in mind that the stretch PF and bigs that can shoot from outside are popular in Europe.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
The Michael Jordan of Delaware declares for the Draft without an agent
Hope him and Spellman stay in.
Would make our home game against them this yr a little bit easier!
