NIT to experiment with new rules this season
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The NIT was reputedly formed by NY sports writers with the reputed backing of Big Apple gambling racketeers in 1938.
The NAIA small college tourney was started 1938 by James Naismith and hotel industry promoters in Boss Tom Pendergast’s then machine town of Kansas City, MO.
The NCAA tourney was started in 1939 with strong advocacy from Coach Harold Olsen of Ohio State and Forest Allen of KU. Allen of KU had long been critical of east coast gambling’s adverse influence on college basketball.
Which tourney do you think was the most corrupt in the early days 1938-1940: NIT, NAIA, or NCAA?
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@jaybate-1.0 None. The annual TiddlyWinks competition was the most corrupt.
I hear players were flipping all over the place.
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I do not like changing lanes or 3-point lines. It alters records and makes it harder to compare players from eras. I love the quarters instead of halves and I hate 1 and 1s. I am ok with the shot clock reset as long as it doesn’t cause any clock issues and goes smoothly.
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@Kcmatt7 I don’t think stats in the “Not Intheother Tournament” should count toward career, season, or game statistics, anyway. Call it an exhibition.
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@mayjay Agreed lol. But just in general, they always test out the rules in the NIT before the implement them for real. I hope that the NCAA does not implement the floor change. Who knows if DG could have broken Boschees 3pt record if the line hadn’t been moved back? Is it likely? No. But, it is possible. And now we will never know for certain.
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@mayjay You’re right who cares about the Not Invited Tournament? Stats shouldn’t count for such an obviously Not Important Tournamnet.
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So with quarter breaks what happens to the every four TV timeouts? Will that be adjusted? If not it’s another TO. Not sure that’s a good thing. But in general, rules need to stay current with the times, and interestingly, international ball is influencing this very American sport.
The one thing that won’t change is NIT will stand for Not In Tourney.
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Where do you get your information that the NIT or any of the other tournaments are or were corrupt? I remember watching the NIT in the 70s when it was a prestigious event and never heard back then or since that it was corrupt or any of the other tournaments for that matter.
Do you have any factual information or is this another Jaybate theory?
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@JayHawkFanToo All fiction no malice.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Where do you get your information that the NIT or any of the other tournaments are or were corrupt? I remember watching the NIT in the 70s when it was a prestigious event and never heard back then or since that it was corrupt or any of the other tournaments for that matter.
Do you have any factual information or is this another Jaybate theory?
Why do you ask?
You recall I don’t do leg work for you, right?
And you know I try not to waste time with apparent mischaracterizations of my posts, right?
And you know I don’t even see a lot of the mischaracterizations of my posts, right?
And you remember I don’t do “theories”, and I tend to believe “conspiracy theories” are mostly memed for suckers, or the term is mostly used for smears, at least since the stuff about Intel and MSM reputedly using “conspiracy theory” for smearing came out, right?
And you remember I do “hypotheses,” or just opine and speculate as a layman fan, right?
Cat got your attack graphic?
Be of good cheer. De-wad your boxers. And enjoy the 14th.
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@jaybate-1.0 In practice debates in HS, whenever we got caught making an assertion without authority, we used to say, Why that’s just common knowledge! In the case of the NIT in the late 40’s I think that works. Dunno about the others, though.
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Ya think?
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What do you think about the 1938-1940 period, specifically?
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@jaybate-1.0 Burden of proof should be on the person making the claim.
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@jaybate-1.0 Don’t know anything about that. I was hoping you would treat JHF2’s question seriously, like the rest of us do all our lives when someone says something startling (Huh? Where’d you hear that?), so I could do further reading. Your responses to him are really really odd.
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Cool that Trae Young will be able to try out the longer-distance 3 line.
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@Apologist Absolutely savage. PHOF
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@mayjay Yeah, not sure why asking for a source would be treated with hostility. I get the “another Jaybate theory” isn’t particularly kind, but it’s far from insulting in my opinion.
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BShark said:
@jaybate-1.0 Burden of proof should be on the person making the claim.
Why?
But thanks for sharing.
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mayjay said:
@jaybate-1.0 Don’t know anything about that. I was hoping you would treat JHF2’s question seriously, like the rest of us do all our lives when someone says something startling (Huh? Where’d you hear that?), so I could do further reading. Your responses to him are really really odd.
Thanks for sharing.
I find both of your posts really odd at times, too.
But it’s okay.
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benshawks08 said:
@mayjay Yeah, not sure why asking for a source would be treated with hostility. I get the “another Jaybate theory” isn’t particularly kind, but it’s far from insulting in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing.
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We really are keeping @Red.Rooster busy with these posts about what you and I find really odd!
Rock Chalk!
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NBA sucks. International ball? Who cares.
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@jaybate-1.0 I think you’re talking about the 1949/1950 scandal, where NY mobsters bought players to shave points.
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@jaybate-1.0 I am always happy when I get back on and find 10 to 15 upvotes because it is the assurance I need that @Red.Rooster is back on checking things out!
An interesting comparison, my warm feelings about Rooster vs my antipathy toward the other member of Gallus gallus domesticus, the evil el pollo!
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I see, no answers. Nothing new there.
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jaybate 1.0 said:
BShark said:
@jaybate-1.0 Burden of proof should be on the person making the claim.
Why?
But thanks for sharing.
Why should someone be able to make an outrageous claim and the defense is simply like @mayjay said “it’s common knowledge”. That doesn’t work. Not if you want to have a meaningful discussion. Other people shouldn’t have to fact check for someone that’s making a claim, especially when it’s very likely hogwash.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I see, no answers. Nothing new there.
Sorry to let you down.
I’m hoping you will see a pattern emerging here in my resolve not to engage you seriously.
You and I don’t need each other’s approval to have fun and matriculate here.
As always, my best advice is to resist the temptation to read my posts to avoid the unfulfillment. You are supposed to come here for fun and learning. If you get neither from me, by all means stop reading my posts. The format mercifully makes it effortless to do.
Rock Chalk!
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BShark said:
jaybate 1.0 said:
BShark said:
@jaybate-1.0 Burden of proof should be on the person making the claim.
Why?
But thanks for sharing.
Why should someone be able to make an outrageous claim and the defense is simply like @mayjay said “it’s common knowledge”. That doesn’t work. Not if you want to have a meaningful discussion. Other people shouldn’t have to fact check for someone that’s making a claim, especially when it’s very likely hogwash.
Says you.
But I did not sign any by laws here that I have give you the evidence you ask for.
Further, you are assuming it’s outrageous, likely hogwash, and imputing its a claim with out giving me any evidence you are correct. I am not persuaded by you, but at least I am not calling it hogwash and demanding evidence. I’m fine with you opining, as I did, but dont expect me to agree or do your legwork for you. Man up and do it yourself. It’s ok with me if you don’t believe me.
There are things posted here that I dont believe and don’t respond to out of curtesy. There are other things posted here that are patently silly, or offensive, directed at me, that I respond to by not taking seriously. Other opining I learn from and have good give and take. I NEVER feel a poster, even an a-hole, owes me any evidence! I ask sometimes, but if I really want to know something I always go study for myself. IMHO, no poster here owes any other poster here a bunch of leg work.
And around the internet demanding more and more evidence appears increasingly one of the disinfo techniques of fracking discourse.
Get a grip!
Aliases don’t OWE aliases the evidence. It’s a gift if they give it, not an obligation.
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@jaybate-1.0 And your approach could be called painting, not sharing. When someone asks for more information, sometimes they just are interested in where you saw something. If they suggest they disagree or disbelieve, and ask for where you saw something, they are asking for elaboration. Sometimes they are asking simply because it differs from what they thought before, but asking indicates an open mind.
You post the lengthiest discourses that supposedly invite discussion, but you flip off JHF2 all the time, and me half the time, and some others occasionally. But I think you don’t realize that many people might have similar thoughts or questions to the ones we raise.
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@jaybate-1.0 Recently in a discussion with me you claimed TTU was faking injuries when it was all documented and one of the players had a broken foot. Then later you said KU players play through those injuries, but I can scarcely recall the last time a KU player played with a broken bone. So forgive me if I am a little weary at this point.
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Way back when, when I was young, dumb, and full of %*$&, I paid for a tout where the guy told me to play Kent St ( or somebody ) at +8 with as much money as I could gather up, and Kent State? won by 48 points. I bet 1,000 on that one, and hit it big. Then, the next day the guy gives me 3 picks, and they all lose. To this day, I think that game was fixed.
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@BeddieKU23 If they expand the free throw lane by four feet will the refs ever make a 3 second call?
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@KUSTEVE It doesn’t have to be the game itself, just a con similar to the good old investment advice reverse pyramid. Could be he gives touts to an equal number each way and only keeps contacting the people who won on their last bet and keeps doing this until he has lost this group and sets up a new one, replenishing all the time. Often starts with a free one to prove how good he is and pull people in. The ones who lose toward the end don’t quit after winning a bunch of times in a row, because they figure he just had bad luck once. A good one can milk it for awhile with his trusting “winners”.
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BShark said:
@jaybate-1.0 Recently in a discussion with me you claimed TTU was faking injuries when it was all documented and one of the players had a broken foot. Then later you said KU players play through those injuries, but I can scarcely recall the last time a KU player played with a broken bone. So forgive me if I am a little weary at this point.
Whoa! Don’t be silly. I speculated Tech might be. You never provided convincing evidence they weren’t. So you’re POV is no stronger than mine. And the real point was whether they were making a best effort to win games, or resting for the conference tourney. I’m probably MORE weary with you at this point than you with me. Cole Alrdrich wore a mask for much of a season. Reed played operable. So many guys have played with severe injuries I forget them all. Selby worn a boot on a stress fx or reaction for part of a season. Remember WITHEY’s lip? He kept playing with that! Ellis played after the nose attack on the WSU player’s elbow. Kaun played on no knees his last season. Mario from Chicago played on one leg. You apparently haven’t been paying attention to KU play-thru ball. Try more bed rest, if you’re serious about being weary.
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@BShark You have to remember, JB assumes any player that wears a shooters sleeve has an arm injury
And apparently a bloody/broken nose is the same thing as a broken foot lol.
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I linked to an article talking about the broken foot. Was I supposed to get a note from his surgeon?
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KU players play with amputated limbs regularly.
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@BShark Somehow he is going to argue a broken foot is far less painful than some injury a KU player played through.
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BShark said:
KU players play with amputated limbs regularly.
That explains why they are shorter by the time they have NBA combine measurements than when they enrolled at KU.
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