Rumors Peters is on the block.
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@JayHawkFanToo Slot CBs. Not as good outside. Elite quickness though. And solves something that has been killing the Chiefs. Been getting crushed out of the slot.
Berry can take out TEs again when he is back, and Fuller can control slot receivers. IMO, Chiefs D is going to be significantly better than last seasons.
They also signed David Amerson to an incentive laden deal. He has had seasons of brilliance, but sucked last year.
With that being said, they need to get another CB in free agency or the draft. Maybe both if I’m being honest. The offense is not an issue for at least 2 more years. Time to build up the D.
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I intentionally cited to great QBs to prove my point. Those guys get away with the things they did because they are thought of as leaders, but shouldn’t leaders not be getting into arguments with coaches on the sidelines? Shouldn’t leaders not be getting into situations where they are accused of sexual assault? Shouldn’t we be holding them to higher standards?
My whole point was pointing out the double standard, which you very clearly did. Marcus Peters is an ALL PRO cornerback in a pass heavy league, and his cap hit is less than $2.5M. Signing a replacement for Peters, unless they draft an All Pro, is going to cost more than that. You say Peters is “a punk CB” and “nothing.” That’s comical to call one of the 8 or 10 best players at his position “nothing.”
Cornerback is probably the third or fourth most important position in the NFL at this point (QB, DE, and left tackle are the only ones that may rank ahead of CB). Since you can’t bang and hold receivers anymore, a CB that can cover in space is enormously valuable. That’s not nothing.
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@justanotherfan “Nothing” in the large scope of what I view bigger issue, which is his divisive and disrespectful on field actions. You are right on your assessment on the value of CBs, of course. You know, my opinion on Peters is impacted greatly by the national anthem stuff. I admit that. i’d want to kick Big Ben’s a** out of town if he did that too. I love my country and I detest people like Peters who choose to ignorantly dishonor it in the name of protest. People forget what their lives would be like without this great country that they spit upon. They will always be my enemy. Period.
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@BShark After reading that (I have a cast iron stomach) I will probably not miss him when we give up a big touchdown, and I might actually enjoy the confirmation he is gone. I might have nightmares about his tweets the rest of my life, but I won’t likely spend a nanosecond wishing he were on “my” team.
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the Chiefs just caved to the ugliest parts of their fan base and the weakest part of human nature by avoiding discomfort even as it sets them back competitively.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article201907719.html#emlnl=Chiefs_Newsletter#storylink=cpy
The right thing isn’t always the easy thing. Mellinger is right he’s an elite talent, but is he worth selling out your principals for?
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@dylans Where is that “Mellinger is an idiot” meme? Remember how he said the Royals were idiots for keeping Ned? How he has piled on any questions about KU? He did better covering HS sports…
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@Buster-1926 I miss McGuff! and Joe P.
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Lots of people on this board don’t like Marcus Peters. I get that. I’m not even going to try and convince you otherwise, because its irrelevant. You don’t like him. You don’t have to. There are reasons not to like him.
But Marcus Peters is a playmaker on a defense that had too few playmakers to begin with.
If Eric Berry doesn’t return next year at his 2016 level of play, the Chiefs defense will likely have only the often injured Justin Houston as a true playmaker. For a defense that already struggled, that’s not good.
Add to that the fact that the secondary was already shaky even with Peters playing at a top 10 level and you have the ingredients for the defense to take an even larger step back next season.
Like I said before, this is a terrible football move. It will hurt the Chiefs in football ways. I get that a large part of the fanbase wanted him gone, and that’s their right, but this move is one that was done by a franchise that has already experienced the Trent Green-Priest Holmes-Tony Gonzalez years of big offense, no defense, lose a playoff game in which neither team punts type of teams.
If you’re a free agent looking to win, that’s something that you may weigh in your decision from a football standpoint, given that this team hasn’t won a home playoff game in more than two decades.
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@justanotherfan I would rather they trade him and get something rather than wait for him to self-destruct and get tossed.
I was wondering: what level of denigration of women and other abusive conduct would you deem sufficient for the Chiefs to make a bad football move to get rid of him if a bad move was the only option? Had I seen those tweets, I as the Chief’s coach would never have drafted him. The next CB down was probably okay.
We have had one disturbed Chiefs player rock the sports world committing murder and killing himself. It isn’t a matter of not liking Peters. It is a matter of losing all respect for an organization that overlooks attitudes like his.
(And I want no words about culture, or he was just playing to his friends. People who say those things as public figures legitimize actions by people who act those words out.)
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Football is a business. Peters is bad for business, really, really bad. Easy decision.
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@Buster-1926 I believe we agree? Glad the Chiefs didn’t sell out their principals is what I was going for. I think Peters is a gross human being. Too bad someone so talented is such a pos.
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The Chiefs must’ve really wanted to be rid of Peters. It’s being reported that they will give a 6th round pick and receive a 4th round pick this year and a 2nd round pick next year. Seems like a bad deal for the Chiefs unless Peters implodes.
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I wasn’t legitimizing what he said. He should not have done it. But we have not seen any actions or heard any accusations of him harming women (at least to my knowledge). The Chiefs drafted Tyreek Hill, so that isn’t a position that this franchise can claim the moral high ground on. People said they would boycott the Chiefs for taking Hill, but that all seemed to disappear when people saw how game changing his speed was. This fan base can’t complain about Peters’ words on twitter from before he was in college as a way to justify the trade, and yet ignore Hill’s actions that got him kicked out of college. Otherwise, it’s time to move Tyreek Hill, too.
Like I said above, the issue is the inconsistency. I don’t support the denigration of women, but the Chiefs employ Tyreek Hill, a move some questions specifically because of this franchise’s history. If you’re making that stand based on character, if Peters is out, Hill has to be packing his bags, too. I’d argue that Kelce should not have been extended given his previous immature behavior. But he was. Hill was drafted.
My big point to all of this is that if this is about the police brutality protests just say that. Don’t hide behind football reasons. Don’t hide behind previous behavior. If it was about Peters kneeling and raising a fist, just say that his protest wasn’t supported by the fanbase, so you traded him. Just tell the truth. That’s all I really want. Maybe a different segment of the fanbase won’t like that. Maybe some free agents will want a bit more money before signing with KC. But hey, at least be honest about it.
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In relation to the tweets, frankly I don’t know which one is worse a HS posting them or a older man. In either case shows an absolute lack of a moral compass and a compete lack of respect for women.
Also, it has been pointed out that he selfishly plays way off the offensive player just so he can have the chance of an interception but concedes a lot of yards in the process.
Keep in mind that it is not just his stance during the anthem, his constant sideline tantrums are unsportsmanlike and not conductive to team chemistry.
Saying the trade is only because the anthem issue is disingenuous at best.
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@justanotherfan I know you are not excusing the conduct, but I fear you are excusing the player–who, as far as I know, has never condemned his prior crappola. You and I are in sync about the protests–it has nothing to do with my feelings on this.
For me, the issue is different than Hill because I know of no questionable conduct by Hill since he was drafted. (I had no opinion then because I don’t follow the draft very carefully, and KC’s draftees don’t get much press here in SC.) Peters has acted out of control and dysfunctional since joining the Chiefs, which is why I am thinking that 18 year old is still in there, anxious to come out. How long until we become Cincy, making excuses or allowances for Adam Jones?
I have said before that I will always be a Jayhawk fan unless they engage in Syracuse or UNC level violations or countenance extreme player misbehavior. Peters’ behavior rises to that level.
(If he has made amends and I missed it, then my position would change.)
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@justanotherfan Peter’s entire package is what got him shipped off. Comparing him to other players isn’t helping your argument.
If anything, it says that the Chiefs will put up with a lot of shit. And Peters still crossed the line.
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@Kcmatt7 I think this move is indicative of why Dorsey left. Reid is clearly in control now and is favoring high character and we have made a lot of aggressive moves since Dorsey left. They might work out or they might not but I am pretty sure Dorsey would not have made most of them.
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Here is Spts Illustrated’s Peter King’s take.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/27/marcus-peters-chiefs-rams-trade
I hadn’t realized there were so few team interested.
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mayjay said:
Here is Spts Illustrated’s Peter King’s take.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/27/marcus-peters-chiefs-rams-trade
I hadn’t realized there were so few team interested.
Just now clicking the article but I remember on twitter that 28 or so teams said they were not interested at all.
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Nobody wanted a 2 year headache just to watch him leave before you could sign him long-term.
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Could Kyler Fuller be Peters replacement or will he be way too expensive/unavailable due to the franchise tag?
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@dylans If he gets to Free Agency than we are an option. But usually when a team wants to keep a guy as badly as it seems the Bears want to keep Fuller, he ends up staying home.
I think the Chiefs could steal a guy like EJ Gaines for a decent price (still will be expensive) because of his health issues. But an amazing player when he is in the game.
There are a ton of options out there this year that are solid CBs. Probably one of the best FA CB classes in a long time. I expect the Chiefs to sign at least one. I think a lot of it will work itself out after the combine. Either the Chiefs will see a CB they like that can be landed in the 2nd round, or they will sign a known commodity.
I would rather see us get a known and then draft a Safety or ILB in the 2nd.
Chiefs HAVE to find a guy who can play on the other side of Houston. So, if they do that and skimp on CB I won’t be upset.
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Now Talib is joining Peters in LA. LA only had to give up a 5th round pick for Talib. So LA picked up two former All Pro CBs for a 4th and 5th pick in this years draft (a 2nd rounder next year for Peters too). They will generate a ton of picks and likely give up a ton of big plays as both like to gamble.
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Meanwhile, the Chiefs continue to be a mystery team. Are we rebuilding? Retooling? What is this season’s goal? About the only thing I’ve heard is that they will be bringing in a free agent DL. Otherwise, we have been a mystery of a team.
I hope they go get Sammy Watkins and just let the offense role. Surround Patty with some talent and help him out while he is young. Draft and build a young defense. But that’s just my opinion.
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@dylans So, the All-Jerk secondary!
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Indeed, a pair of hot heads with inflated egos. I can see why teams would nor want the aggravation.
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@JayHawkFanToo Is LA even big enough for those egos? I mean, the city not the team!
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Now that the Chargers are in LA it will get pretty crowded…I guess they can expand back to San Diego then…
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The Rams have a clear plan and are sticking to it. The Eagles had a clear plan last year and stuck to it. The Patriots and Steelers always have a plan and stick to it.
The question is, do the Chiefs have a clear plan, or are they just making moves?
It doesn’t hurt you to be aggressive at the corner spot in today’s NFL. Since you can’t get physical downfield, gambling is better than just letting the better QBs (Rogers, Brady, Roethlisberger, etc) just pick you apart a piece at a time. Maybe you give up some plays, but if you get two picks that your offense turns into points, you still win. You can’t just hope for three and outs. You have to be able to either pressure the QB and get sacks, or force turnovers with aggressive DB play. The Rams have chosen aggressive DB play. The Eagles are going for QB pressure. I don’t know which one will work, but I am curious to find out.
