Rumors Peters is on the block.
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Peters is a peter. I wish they would have cut him after the first game.
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Cutting him would be really stupid when you can trade him.
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Travis Kelce is two years older than Peters. That means that the Chiefs put up with Kelceâs antics for two more years before he âmaturedâ last year about halfway through the year. If thatâs the measuring stick, Peters should get at least one more season (probably two) before the Chiefs decide to move on from him. The Chiefs actually extended Kelce in spite of some of his issues after the 2015 season. They are talking about getting rid of Peters after the same amount of time. Thatâs not a football decision, or at least isnât one using the same measuring stick they did for an equally talented and equally troublesome player.
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@justanotherfan Equally troublesome is not true. Peterâs is driving fans away and causing tickets not to be sold with his protesting on top of the tantrums and penalties he has been getting. He is the double whammy that I wouldnât blame an owner for wanting to get off of his team.
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The NFL needs to do like the NBA and require the players to stand during the anthem.
Unless youâre protesting the owner donât harm the product.
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There is more to keeping a player than just the on-field performance. Football is a business and Peters has been bad for business.
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@BShark Sometimes itâs just fun to CUT somebodyâŚ
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@nuleafjhawk Bobby Darin called to agree.
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@justanotherfan Good point in years of experience. Have you ever heard of Kelce blowing up at teammates, or coaches? Creating scenes on the team plane? Heâs a major challenge to deal with. Add in the national anthem BS, Iâd move him.
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Hereâs Tom Brady berating an assistant coach on the sideline last season.
Hereâs Brady doing the same thing in 2011.
The Patriots should trade him I guess. Shouldâve moved him back in 2011. You canât just yell at a coach like that. Too much of a distraction.
Hereâs Ben Roethlisberger asking Mike Tomlin to keep OC Todd Haley away from him.
The Steelers probably should move on from him, especially given his history off the field. Too much of a distraction. It would hurt the business.
Hereâs Rob Gronkowski taking a cheap shot at a guy and getting suspended as a result.
Hereâs Gronk admitting to throwing punches after the Super Bowl a few years ago.
Hereâs Gronk making an anti-Semitic joke last year.
The Patriots definitely need to cut ties with that guy.
Iâm looking online now to see if the Pats have waived or traded Brady or Gronk, or if the Steelers got rid of Roethlisberger. Doesnât look like they did, but I will keep checkingâŚ
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Peters is an elite talent. The character issues are why he was available at the Chiefs pick. They have too many issues at corner/safety to cut ties with arguably the most talented player on the team without a major coup in return. With the off field junk you arenât getting a huge return for him I wouldnât think. So the Chiefs are likely stuck with him and his immense talent until his play drops off or heâs in his last year of his contract.
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nuleafjhawk said:
@BShark Sometimes itâs just fun to CUT somebodyâŚ
This is what my homies in the hood keep telling meâŚ
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@justanotherfan I see what you are saying about some of these guys, Iâd cut Big Ben because heâs a terrible human being from Iâve heard of people that knew him college, thatâs outside of rape accusations and other BS. Letâs be honest here for a second, Brady is one of the best all time and Gronk is currently the best TE when healthy IMO. Peters is arguably a top 10 corner but no where near as important or good as Brady or Gronk IMO. I think you have to be good enough to out weight the side show stuff. If Brady did the protest that Kaep did he would still be playing because Kaep is an average QB with one good season, if he had Bradyâs or Rodgers numbers no one would care. Same for RGIII, had one good season but no ones complaining he ainât got a contract. To me itâs like this if your job pays really well like 200k, youâll probably be okay answering a call or doing some stuff after hours, but if you make 30k you ainât gonna answer that call most the time. Itâs a simple thought of pro and con, is he that dam good that we are ok with is crap? Does this job pay enough for me to give a darn after hours? Thatâs just my take on the matter friend.
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Peters to the Rams.Better return a 1-3rd round pick and a starter level player.
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Oh. Trumaine Johnson a FA though. Could be a huge coup. Chiefs sign Johnson, get the Rams 1st rounder⌠Basically trade Peters for an equal CB, 1st round pick, 3rd round pick and only add some salary that would have been spend in a couple of seasons on Peterâs anyways.
This wheeling and dealing is beautiful. Chiefs traded for Franchise QB last year and still will probably have 10 or 11 picks to work with this season. THIS IS WHAT BUILDING A SUPERBOWL TEAM LOOKS LIKE LADIES AND GENTS!!
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Sounds like its just picks, and the Rams donât have a second rounder this year because they used that in the Sammy Watkins deal. Chiefs better get the first and the third, otherwise this goes from being a bad football move to a potentially crippling one.
If the plan is to sign Trumaine Johnson, you deal Peters after you sign him. Johnson has multiple offers out there. The Chiefs could be left holding the bag on this one.
If the Chiefs are getting torched by a QB next year, anyone that supported moving Peters because of his attitude should just sit quietly and be glad that heâs not a distraction in Kansas City anymore. Good CBs are hard to find, and you need them in a pass first league like the NFL.
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@justanotherfan Agreed. Better be 1st this year, and at least the 3rd.
However, I would prefer a 1st and a 2nd next season. I think it will be a 3 pick combo.
I am glad that they are doing it now because they can at least focus on what they need to at the combine and draft. I would have been happy with Peterâs staying 100%. But it is Clarkeâs team and he didnât want Peters.
The main reason I like it, Chiefs arenât letting the players drive the car anymore. You bring up Kelce, but Kelce is good for business. And he shows up for voluntary training camps. And he doesnât fight with coaches. Peterâs behavior was troublesome on many levels. We need to start acting like the Patriots and Steelers if we want to make a Superbowl.
Even if it isnât Trumaine Johnson who gets signed to replace him, there are several solid CBs left on the market this year that can be brought in.
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Didnât the Chief picked cornerback Kendall Fuller from the Redskins with the Alex Smith Trade? He is supposed to be one of the better CBs in the League.
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@justanotherfan Well, it seems like the Chiefs have moved on from your disrespectful hero.
Itâs literally comical that you cite two hall of fame quarterbacks as examples. They are team leaders. They are quarterbacks. Peters is a punk CB. Heâs nothing. Good riddance. Maybe he can go kneel in LA where the anti-American Hollywood folks can fawn all over him. The quicker heâs the heck out of here, the better KC will be for it.
Citing Gronk is different. Thatâs up to the Pats. Iâm not perpetually offended, so the âquarterâ joke is just a little funny. But I would put up with a lot less from a non-QB.
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@JayHawkFanToo Slot CBs. Not as good outside. Elite quickness though. And solves something that has been killing the Chiefs. Been getting crushed out of the slot.
Berry can take out TEs again when he is back, and Fuller can control slot receivers. IMO, Chiefs D is going to be significantly better than last seasons.
They also signed David Amerson to an incentive laden deal. He has had seasons of brilliance, but sucked last year.
With that being said, they need to get another CB in free agency or the draft. Maybe both if Iâm being honest. The offense is not an issue for at least 2 more years. Time to build up the D.
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I intentionally cited to great QBs to prove my point. Those guys get away with the things they did because they are thought of as leaders, but shouldnât leaders not be getting into arguments with coaches on the sidelines? Shouldnât leaders not be getting into situations where they are accused of sexual assault? Shouldnât we be holding them to higher standards?
My whole point was pointing out the double standard, which you very clearly did. Marcus Peters is an ALL PRO cornerback in a pass heavy league, and his cap hit is less than $2.5M. Signing a replacement for Peters, unless they draft an All Pro, is going to cost more than that. You say Peters is âa punk CBâ and ânothing.â Thatâs comical to call one of the 8 or 10 best players at his position ânothing.â
Cornerback is probably the third or fourth most important position in the NFL at this point (QB, DE, and left tackle are the only ones that may rank ahead of CB). Since you canât bang and hold receivers anymore, a CB that can cover in space is enormously valuable. Thatâs not nothing.
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@justanotherfan âNothingâ in the large scope of what I view bigger issue, which is his divisive and disrespectful on field actions. You are right on your assessment on the value of CBs, of course. You know, my opinion on Peters is impacted greatly by the national anthem stuff. I admit that. iâd want to kick Big Benâs a** out of town if he did that too. I love my country and I detest people like Peters who choose to ignorantly dishonor it in the name of protest. People forget what their lives would be like without this great country that they spit upon. They will always be my enemy. Period.
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@BShark After reading that (I have a cast iron stomach) I will probably not miss him when we give up a big touchdown, and I might actually enjoy the confirmation he is gone. I might have nightmares about his tweets the rest of my life, but I wonât likely spend a nanosecond wishing he were on âmyâ team.
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the Chiefs just caved to the ugliest parts of their fan base and the weakest part of human nature by avoiding discomfort even as it sets them back competitively.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article201907719.html#emlnl=Chiefs_Newsletter#storylink=cpy
The right thing isnât always the easy thing. Mellinger is right heâs an elite talent, but is he worth selling out your principals for?
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@dylans Where is that âMellinger is an idiotâ meme? Remember how he said the Royals were idiots for keeping Ned? How he has piled on any questions about KU? He did better covering HS sportsâŚ
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@Buster-1926 I miss McGuff! and Joe P.
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Lots of people on this board donât like Marcus Peters. I get that. Iâm not even going to try and convince you otherwise, because its irrelevant. You donât like him. You donât have to. There are reasons not to like him.
But Marcus Peters is a playmaker on a defense that had too few playmakers to begin with.
If Eric Berry doesnât return next year at his 2016 level of play, the Chiefs defense will likely have only the often injured Justin Houston as a true playmaker. For a defense that already struggled, thatâs not good.
Add to that the fact that the secondary was already shaky even with Peters playing at a top 10 level and you have the ingredients for the defense to take an even larger step back next season.
Like I said before, this is a terrible football move. It will hurt the Chiefs in football ways. I get that a large part of the fanbase wanted him gone, and thatâs their right, but this move is one that was done by a franchise that has already experienced the Trent Green-Priest Holmes-Tony Gonzalez years of big offense, no defense, lose a playoff game in which neither team punts type of teams.
If youâre a free agent looking to win, thatâs something that you may weigh in your decision from a football standpoint, given that this team hasnât won a home playoff game in more than two decades.
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@justanotherfan I would rather they trade him and get something rather than wait for him to self-destruct and get tossed.
I was wondering: what level of denigration of women and other abusive conduct would you deem sufficient for the Chiefs to make a bad football move to get rid of him if a bad move was the only option? Had I seen those tweets, I as the Chiefâs coach would never have drafted him. The next CB down was probably okay.
We have had one disturbed Chiefs player rock the sports world committing murder and killing himself. It isnât a matter of not liking Peters. It is a matter of losing all respect for an organization that overlooks attitudes like his.
(And I want no words about culture, or he was just playing to his friends. People who say those things as public figures legitimize actions by people who act those words out.)
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Football is a business. Peters is bad for business, really, really bad. Easy decision.
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@Buster-1926 I believe we agree? Glad the Chiefs didnât sell out their principals is what I was going for. I think Peters is a gross human being. Too bad someone so talented is such a pos.
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The Chiefs mustâve really wanted to be rid of Peters. Itâs being reported that they will give a 6th round pick and receive a 4th round pick this year and a 2nd round pick next year. Seems like a bad deal for the Chiefs unless Peters implodes.
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I wasnât legitimizing what he said. He should not have done it. But we have not seen any actions or heard any accusations of him harming women (at least to my knowledge). The Chiefs drafted Tyreek Hill, so that isnât a position that this franchise can claim the moral high ground on. People said they would boycott the Chiefs for taking Hill, but that all seemed to disappear when people saw how game changing his speed was. This fan base canât complain about Petersâ words on twitter from before he was in college as a way to justify the trade, and yet ignore Hillâs actions that got him kicked out of college. Otherwise, itâs time to move Tyreek Hill, too.
Like I said above, the issue is the inconsistency. I donât support the denigration of women, but the Chiefs employ Tyreek Hill, a move some questions specifically because of this franchiseâs history. If youâre making that stand based on character, if Peters is out, Hill has to be packing his bags, too. Iâd argue that Kelce should not have been extended given his previous immature behavior. But he was. Hill was drafted.
My big point to all of this is that if this is about the police brutality protests just say that. Donât hide behind football reasons. Donât hide behind previous behavior. If it was about Peters kneeling and raising a fist, just say that his protest wasnât supported by the fanbase, so you traded him. Just tell the truth. Thatâs all I really want. Maybe a different segment of the fanbase wonât like that. Maybe some free agents will want a bit more money before signing with KC. But hey, at least be honest about it.
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In relation to the tweets, frankly I donât know which one is worse a HS posting them or a older man. In either case shows an absolute lack of a moral compass and a compete lack of respect for women.
Also, it has been pointed out that he selfishly plays way off the offensive player just so he can have the chance of an interception but concedes a lot of yards in the process.
Keep in mind that it is not just his stance during the anthem, his constant sideline tantrums are unsportsmanlike and not conductive to team chemistry.
Saying the trade is only because the anthem issue is disingenuous at best.
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@justanotherfan I know you are not excusing the conduct, but I fear you are excusing the playerâwho, as far as I know, has never condemned his prior crappola. You and I are in sync about the protestsâit has nothing to do with my feelings on this.
For me, the issue is different than Hill because I know of no questionable conduct by Hill since he was drafted. (I had no opinion then because I donât follow the draft very carefully, and KCâs draftees donât get much press here in SC.) Peters has acted out of control and dysfunctional since joining the Chiefs, which is why I am thinking that 18 year old is still in there, anxious to come out. How long until we become Cincy, making excuses or allowances for Adam Jones?
I have said before that I will always be a Jayhawk fan unless they engage in Syracuse or UNC level violations or countenance extreme player misbehavior. Petersâ behavior rises to that level.
(If he has made amends and I missed it, then my position would change.)
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@justanotherfan Peterâs entire package is what got him shipped off. Comparing him to other players isnât helping your argument.
If anything, it says that the Chiefs will put up with a lot of shit. And Peters still crossed the line.
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@Kcmatt7 I think this move is indicative of why Dorsey left. Reid is clearly in control now and is favoring high character and we have made a lot of aggressive moves since Dorsey left. They might work out or they might not but I am pretty sure Dorsey would not have made most of them.
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Here is Spts Illustratedâs Peter Kingâs take.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/27/marcus-peters-chiefs-rams-trade
I hadnât realized there were so few team interested.
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mayjay said:
Here is Spts Illustratedâs Peter Kingâs take.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/27/marcus-peters-chiefs-rams-trade
I hadnât realized there were so few team interested.
Just now clicking the article but I remember on twitter that 28 or so teams said they were not interested at all.
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Nobody wanted a 2 year headache just to watch him leave before you could sign him long-term.
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Could Kyler Fuller be Peters replacement or will he be way too expensive/unavailable due to the franchise tag?
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@dylans If he gets to Free Agency than we are an option. But usually when a team wants to keep a guy as badly as it seems the Bears want to keep Fuller, he ends up staying home.
I think the Chiefs could steal a guy like EJ Gaines for a decent price (still will be expensive) because of his health issues. But an amazing player when he is in the game.
There are a ton of options out there this year that are solid CBs. Probably one of the best FA CB classes in a long time. I expect the Chiefs to sign at least one. I think a lot of it will work itself out after the combine. Either the Chiefs will see a CB they like that can be landed in the 2nd round, or they will sign a known commodity.
I would rather see us get a known and then draft a Safety or ILB in the 2nd.
Chiefs HAVE to find a guy who can play on the other side of Houston. So, if they do that and skimp on CB I wonât be upset.
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Now Talib is joining Peters in LA. LA only had to give up a 5th round pick for Talib. So LA picked up two former All Pro CBs for a 4th and 5th pick in this years draft (a 2nd rounder next year for Peters too). They will generate a ton of picks and likely give up a ton of big plays as both like to gamble.
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Meanwhile, the Chiefs continue to be a mystery team. Are we rebuilding? Retooling? What is this seasonâs goal? About the only thing Iâve heard is that they will be bringing in a free agent DL. Otherwise, we have been a mystery of a team.
I hope they go get Sammy Watkins and just let the offense role. Surround Patty with some talent and help him out while he is young. Draft and build a young defense. But thatâs just my opinion.
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@dylans So, the All-Jerk secondary!
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Indeed, a pair of hot heads with inflated egos. I can see why teams would nor want the aggravation.
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@JayHawkFanToo Is LA even big enough for those egos? I mean, the city not the team!
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Now that the Chargers are in LA it will get pretty crowdedâŚI guess they can expand back to San Diego thenâŚ
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The Rams have a clear plan and are sticking to it. The Eagles had a clear plan last year and stuck to it. The Patriots and Steelers always have a plan and stick to it.
The question is, do the Chiefs have a clear plan, or are they just making moves?
It doesnât hurt you to be aggressive at the corner spot in todayâs NFL. Since you canât get physical downfield, gambling is better than just letting the better QBs (Rogers, Brady, Roethlisberger, etc) just pick you apart a piece at a time. Maybe you give up some plays, but if you get two picks that your offense turns into points, you still win. You canât just hope for three and outs. You have to be able to either pressure the QB and get sacks, or force turnovers with aggressive DB play. The Rams have chosen aggressive DB play. The Eagles are going for QB pressure. I donât know which one will work, but I am curious to find out.
