When the eff are we getting Billy?!?!
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Of course fans are frustrated that the Preston scholarship is not reaping visible rewards in game situations. But just imagine the practice squad which Bill has developed! That squad could be a top 25 rated talent. A red team of Preston, Dedric, Mitch, CJ, Cunliffe and Charlie Moore. WOW! What other topflight program gets to work daily against such competition? This is why and how Bill gets to rest our starters more than usual. Preston is a vital member of that unit. There is precedent for a first round NBA selectee never playing in a regular game for a school where he burned an NCAA scholarship. The league is following Billy, whether he plays or no. Those McD’s kids with his size represent POTENTIAL running out of the ying yang. Now Bill has fetched DeSousa, eventually to man the spot which had been reserved for Billy. I think we’ve got to ride with the scenario of the status quo. Recent FBI investigative pressure has exerted a big thumb on all university compliance offices. Billy’s problem could have been serious enough that KU has never even turned the matter over to the NCAA. Just a quiet quid pro quo between the program and the Prestons. Mom might have made that trip to Lawrence for a sit down and a handshake.
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So since De Sousa re-classified - that opens yet another scholi for 2018 right? - -So what , does that mean we now still have 2 left for 2018 then since he re-classified? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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We have one left for 18 assuming Billy and Malik leave.
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@Jayballer54 not unless he oads. Silvio would still be on scholar best season.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
We have one left for 18 assuming Billy and Malik leave.
hmmmm, ok, so I was thinking we initially was giving out 4 for 2018, so let’s see before De Sousa re-classified we had one left for 2017 right? -So he took that which filled us for this yr.
We was losing Devonte - -Svi - for 2018 as Seniors - then going off the assumption Vick was gone - -& Billy probably gone right? - -that would give 4 for 18 - -and if Malik that would be 5, - -so we used Grimes - -Dotson - - & McCormack so that should leave us 2 right? - -cause with De Sousa re-classifying - he counts against 17 -not 18 right? - -where am I off? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I agree we are more plugged into KU . Name a big program that’s had any drama with its bigs in the last 3-4 years?
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It’s interesting, I’ve thought that KU decided to vet this situation itself in order to possibly speed the process. Last time we waited on the ncaa to do it’s job diallo had to get a lawyer to bring resolution. There’s no telling how long this situation would have took had KU reported the issue from the day it happened and let them dig. KU did the leg work instead. He’s still missed 12 going on 14-15 and soon more so really what has been the benefit of KU doing anything. If it ends up helping Preston play 10-15 games I guess we can be thankful for their work. I’m sure they have worked hard to bring resolution to this.
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Jayballer54 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
We have one left for 18 assuming Billy and Malik leave.
hmmmm, ok, so I was thinking we initially was giving out 4 for 2018, so let’s see before De Sousa re-classified we had one left for 2017 right? -So he took that which filled us for this yr.
We was losing Devonte - -Svi - for 2018 as Seniors - then going off the assumption Vick was gone - -& Billy probably gone right? - -that would give 4 for 18 - -and if Malik that would be 5, - -so we used Grimes - -Dotson - - & McCormack so that should leave us 2 right? - -cause with De Sousa re-classifying - he counts against 17 -not 18 right? - -where am I off? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We’re now full for 2017-18 since Silvio is a 2017 recruit. Assuming 4 leave (Devonte, Svi, Billy, Malik), and we have 3 signed, there’s one left for 18-19.
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Where is Malik going? He is a mile and a goat away from being a NBA player. And Self has made several comments over the past months inferring Malik will be back. Vick, on the other hand…
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@drgnslayr I’d be stunned if Malik was back. He’s just ready for a paycheck, whether it’s in the D League or overseas. I’d love if he were back though. Takes some pressure of the freshmen to dominate the ball right away. Could easily start all 3 of Newman, Dotson, and Grimes. Assuming Vick leaves of course. I think it’s much, much more likely we have Vick than Newman.
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drgnslayr said:
Where is Malik going? He is a mile and a goat away from being a NBA player. And Self has made several comments over the past months inferring Malik will be back. Vick, on the other hand…
IF Malik doesn’t cut it and test NBA - -& I’m not saying he is ready by a long shot - - he is not - - BUT he won’t be back. I think it was a pretty given fact that he would sit his year and play a year, that’s why Coach even took him on the guarantee that he play a year. - -After this year? - -he is gone - whether it is over sea’s - -" G " league or whatever I just don’t think you will see him back - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Scholarships don’t have a specific year attached to them. The school can carry only 13 players on scholarship at any one time, regardless of whether they are freshmen, seniors or red shirts. If the school uses only 10 one year, it cannot carry the unused ones to the next year. It was lucky that KU had one left this year so Silvio can use it and he will be using one of the 13 next season as well.
I think this is what you were asking?
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Scholarships don’t have a specific year attached to them. The school can carry only 13 players on scholarship at any one time, regardless of whether they are freshmen, seniors or red shirts. If the school uses only 10 one year, it cannot carry the unused ones to the next year. It was lucky that KU had one left this year so Silvio can use it and he will be using one of the 13 next season as well.
I think this is what you were asking?
Thanks hell I just thought they carried over - -they could continue to carry for 3-4-5 years if they didn’t use them. Thanks for the info - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I’ve got an odd feeling that Billy Preston may just stay another year, if we can get him on the court. We all know he will not get good looks from the scouts. He hasn’t done enough. He will fade into mediocrity if he jumps after this season. He would be ‘smart’ to stay one more year regardless of what happens with this mess. If he does, we will be HIGHLY touted as the #1 team in the nation and a strong F4 contender. He will likely go to the workouts, like Svi, and then realize he needs work. But if he translates well, he may be taken at some level in the draft.
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@Jayballer54 Love Malik to death. But as much as the sitting may have done for him, it has also hurt him too. Again, my guess is, he will ‘test the waters’ and realize his stock is no where near where it needs to be at this point in his career. But again, we all know what happens with these guys too.
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@truehawk93 I can’t see it happening. There’s not really a spot for him next season. Are we going to relegate him to the bench again? He’ll have to compete with Silvio for the 3rd big spot.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@truehawk93 I can’t see it happening. There’s not really a spot for him next season. Are we going to relegate him to the bench again? He’ll have to compete with Silvio for the 3rd big spot.
Is this assuming Doke is back? I’d definitely rather have Doke back than Billy just from a parts/roster construction perspective.
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@BShark with the way he’s been playing, I don’t think he’ll be back unfortunately. If he does though, do we lose more than two games all year?
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HawkChamp said:
@BShark with the way he’s been playing, I don’t think he’ll be back unfortunately. If he does though, do we lose more than two games all year?
Probably just due to the growing pains of so many new starters. The potential is scary though.
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@BShark yeah Dotson and Grimes will need time. After that though, with Dok, no reason to not reach the final four. Too much depth and talent across the board. If we could get by the non con with no losses though, I think a one or two loss season would be realistic.
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@HawkChamp Silvio as the third big is just ridiculous, the kind of talented depth we haven’t had for awhile inside. Plus he will have the huge leg up of being with the team for half a season already.
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@BShark and people wonder why I can’t wait for next year. We’ll finally have a real Bill Self team, which hasn’t been seen since 2013. I’m ready to see some real toughness and defense like we used to see.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@truehawk93 I can’t see it happening. There’s not really a spot for him next season. Are we going to relegate him to the bench again? He’ll have to compete with Silvio for the 3rd big spot.
Is this assuming Doke is back? I’d definitely rather have Doke back than Billy just from a parts/roster construction perspective.
Yes. Doke has a ton left to work on from a NBA perspective. Can’t see him leaving yet.
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@FarmerJayhawk boy I hope you’re right. We have seen players do less and decide to still leave though.
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@HawkChamp for sure. I just think Udoka is a different kind of guy. He is still just 18, so no rush. He’d be the same age as most OAD type guys as a junior.
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I’m usually wrong on predicting players directions, so you may be right.
And it is hard to say… some players just aren’t cut for college but kick butt in the league. Maybe the league is exactly what Malik needs. Maybe he is overwhelmed with having to go to school while playing ball.
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I’m personally tired of Self claiming to hear word “real soon”, been hearing that for 3 weeks. I worried if we don’t get him soon, he won’t have time to delevop and won’t be a big bonus. The NCAA office is close til Tuesday now so I’d say the earliest word from the NCAA on De Sousa or Billy won’t be til Friday of next week. I think it’s fine that De Sousa can just practice because he probably wouldn’t be playing this soon anyway.
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kjayhawks said:
I’m personally tired of Self claiming to hear word “real soon”, been hearing that for 3 weeks. I worried if we don’t get him soon, he won’t have time to delevop and won’t be a big bonus. The NCAA office is close til Tuesday now so I’d say the earliest word from the NCAA on De Sousa or Billy won’t be til Friday of next week. I think it’s fine that De Sousa can just practice because he probably wouldn’t be playing this soon anyway.
Self isn’t even playing Cunliffe.
Silvio is much more of a need though.
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I am curious, what exactly would you like him to say when that is all the information he has available to him? Until he announces the NCAA decision he will critized by some regardless of what he says.
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@JayHawkFanToo Well just say I have no update, telling everyone real soon sucks because most folks “real soon” isn’t 3 weeks lol.
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If we are to believe the new news, Preston has to pay back money and doesn’t have the money to do so.
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@BeddieKU23 what options does he have?
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I understand that just came out yesterday. If that is the case, wouldn’t the logical answer be if you don’t have the money, give the dang car back?
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3 weeks in NCAA talk is really nothing.
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Don’t they usually make you repay it to charity or something. I don’t believe just giving it back solves the issue
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@BeddieKU23 yes that’s correct. Surely there is some way to repay the money
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HawkChamp said:
@BeddieKU23 yes that’s correct. Surely there is some way to repay the money
If it’s a lot how do you expect him to do So?
Take out a loan to pay for what you owe just to play. Jeesh this is beyond ridiculous
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@BeddieKU23 That would be a loan based on future earning potential which is against NCAA rules.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 so what’s considered logical?
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Yup so if they want him to repay the value of the car i have a hard time figuring out how they are going to pay for it. Maybe it won’t be as much as we think, who knows. Just ready for ku to wash it’s hands clean of this one
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@BeddieKU23 Most players earn their extra money by working camps, but since those are not during the season, Billy might be SOL at this point.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BeddieKU23 Most players earn their extra money by working camps, but since those are not during the season, Billy might be SOL at this point.
Oopsadazy boys!!
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BeddieKU23 said:
Yup so if they want him to repay the value of the car i have a hard time figuring out how they are going to pay for it. Maybe it won’t be as much as we think, who knows. Just ready for ku to wash it’s hands clean of this one
Where did you see this?
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@FarmerJayhawk that’s the rumor, plus precedent ala Selby
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BShark said:
Self isn’t even playing Cunliffe.
Yeah, I noticed that.
I know a few things. I know this game was absolutely CRUCIAL for us. A big part of why we have won 13 conference titles in a row relates to us getting out of the blocks fast. This Jayhawk team is not the right team to put in a huge hole and see if they can come back. We still refuse to play aggressive defense. Giving up 86 points to this Longhorn team should be a real eye-opener for us. If we give up 86 to the horrific offense of Texas, what will we give up to OU?! 130 points?!
So Self realized he needed to step up with some specific strategy to deal with Texas. He planned for us to attack from the perimeter. A big part of why we hit such a high % of treys last night related to limiting substitutions. We couldn’t risk changing the flow of the game. Notice that we didn’t have monster shifts in hot and cold last night. And we only had 8 TOs! Most of this relates to Texas playing really horrid guard defense. Wow, that was bad!
This was a game where Self out-coached the h3ll out of Smart! That was a big part of the frustration from Shaka. He knew he was out-coached.
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HawkChamp said:
@FarmerJayhawk that’s the rumor, plus precedent ala Selby
That would make sense. Hopefully the bar business is great over NYE.
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Fellow poster on here was at the game and talked to Gary Bedore about it.
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@BeddieKU23 awesome, thanks. Should be coming to an end.
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Then sell the effin’ car and use the money to pay to whoever gets the money. He needs to prioritize what he wants; if the car is the priority then he does not belong at KU.
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@JayHawkFanToo I don’t think it works that way or he would have done that, anyone know?
