When the eff are we getting Billy?!?!
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C J Giles. How could I have forgotten that name?
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As to other programs, I think many top level Division 1 programs go thru the same negative news, though some of it different from our recent array. And some of those programs don’t earn quite the level of news scrutiny as does the greatest program in D1. Roy and Izzo and Calipari have dealt with their share. Focus is always cast upon the annual winners.
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Gawd, its feeling more and more like Alexander every day.
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One positive aspect of Preston’s late eligibility is that it will be challenging for other coaches to scheme against potential different line ups Self could deploy. They won’t have lot of scouting reports and tapes. This can also help in March.
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truehawk93 said:
Gawd, its feeling more and more like Alexander every day.
very much so. Me personally , I just don’t think we are going to see him on the floor period. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The main thing I’ve been tired of is all of the “we’re getting close” stuff, now for how many weeks?
When I’ve talked about drama in the past, this is drama. This is the kind of distracting drama that impacts a team. It’s nothing but a negative. We know it can’t be a positive. Anything that doesn’t help, really hurts.
I don’t know the answer. But I agree that Self did not want, and would not want, someone to just practice and not play like this. But maybe, even if he has little impact this season, Preston may be here for next season if this is resolved.
But I get Self’s dilemma, and perhaps we just need to accept it – but it’s hard to accept. If Billy Preston becomes eligible and is a full contributor by the NCAA tourney, he could be the difference between winning a national championship, and not winning one.
So maybe like it or not, we all just need to take it. Because the possible reward might be worth it. I hate drama in a team environment.
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I don’t know why incoming freshmen aren’t chaperoned everywhere with upperclassmen.
We put millions and millions of dollars into our program and have huge staffs. Kansas fans expect a lot, and they should.
And then we drop the ball by just setting these guys free to get in all kinds of trouble.
I appreciate that the kids coming in get lectured. But, come on… kids getting lectured remember how much of it?
This little screw up could easily cost us a national championship.
Whether or not the car is legit… the staff should have known this before the accident.
We put so so much into compliance. Our program is truly the best in D1, and is a model many universities are copying. Yet, these kids are free to screw up everything. Case in point!
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When was the last time we had a drama free season? Every season is something new or something that just continues to derail a potential great season.
Self doesn’t have many flaws but it’s hard to defend his recent record with these OAD bigs.
I would suggest he start vetting these kids more for their “off the court” character then their on the court product. I know it must be incredibly frustrating to him, he’s given a good deal of praise to Preston’s talents when he signed, through the summer and into the fall and he’s got nothing to show for that talk.
Absolutely agree Self is leading on the drama with the comments. We’d be just as pissed at no comment, no update. But the Coach-Speak “we’re close” isn’t any better
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Most every major programs has plenty of issues, we are just more attuned to the ones at KU.
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The one big maybe even huge upside of having 3 top 30-40 players joining in this late is that the team will continue to improve until the end of the season and maybe even peak by tournament time. Most other teams have by now pretty much reached their potential and will improve only marginally while KU will continue to get better.
All the scouting teams have done of KU will go out the window, if Preston is able to play and DeSousa and Cunliffe develop as expected.
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It’s in the NCAA’s hands now. So who knows. I still think Billy plays for KU, just a matter of when. I think sooner rather than later.
None of the 2018 commits (and obviously not Silvio) or 2019 targets have eligibility issues. Billy was always a question mark due to his record of bouncing around, especially his time at Prime Prep/API. Missing on Ayton caused a ton of ripples in 17. Billy is at USC if we land Ayton.
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@FarmerJayhawk Not sure why you’re guessing he’ll play. Can you elaborate? I don’t think any of us have a clue if he’ll play or not.
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If the staff thought he wasn’t, and he didn’t think he was going to play, I don’t think he’d still be at KU. At that point, might as well pull a Mitchell Robinson and just go train full-time instead of going to class and all that.
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I am with @FarmerJayhawk. Preston would be gone by now if the staff or Preston himself thought he would not be playing…unless he has made a deal with KU that he will stay one extra year, which given his actions to date does not seem likely.
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@JayHawkFanToo we do have one more scholarship for 18-19… but Billy isn’t going to use it. No way he comes back and competes with Dedric and Silvio. Malik is more likely.
As an aside, pretty sure we could’ve gotten Robinson eligible based on the Braxton Beverly case. What a difference he would’ve made.
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@JayHawkFanToo @FarmerJayhawk Or they could be practicing him hoping he’ll play, but even they’re not sure.
What’s frustrating is the lack of information. We know a few facts, but that’s about it. Why does it take so long? Who knows what? Who did what? When will we know more? So many unanswered questions!
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Of course fans are frustrated that the Preston scholarship is not reaping visible rewards in game situations. But just imagine the practice squad which Bill has developed! That squad could be a top 25 rated talent. A red team of Preston, Dedric, Mitch, CJ, Cunliffe and Charlie Moore. WOW! What other topflight program gets to work daily against such competition? This is why and how Bill gets to rest our starters more than usual. Preston is a vital member of that unit. There is precedent for a first round NBA selectee never playing in a regular game for a school where he burned an NCAA scholarship. The league is following Billy, whether he plays or no. Those McD’s kids with his size represent POTENTIAL running out of the ying yang. Now Bill has fetched DeSousa, eventually to man the spot which had been reserved for Billy. I think we’ve got to ride with the scenario of the status quo. Recent FBI investigative pressure has exerted a big thumb on all university compliance offices. Billy’s problem could have been serious enough that KU has never even turned the matter over to the NCAA. Just a quiet quid pro quo between the program and the Prestons. Mom might have made that trip to Lawrence for a sit down and a handshake.
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So since De Sousa re-classified - that opens yet another scholi for 2018 right? - -So what , does that mean we now still have 2 left for 2018 then since he re-classified? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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We have one left for 18 assuming Billy and Malik leave.
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@Jayballer54 not unless he oads. Silvio would still be on scholar best season.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
We have one left for 18 assuming Billy and Malik leave.
hmmmm, ok, so I was thinking we initially was giving out 4 for 2018, so let’s see before De Sousa re-classified we had one left for 2017 right? -So he took that which filled us for this yr.
We was losing Devonte - -Svi - for 2018 as Seniors - then going off the assumption Vick was gone - -& Billy probably gone right? - -that would give 4 for 18 - -and if Malik that would be 5, - -so we used Grimes - -Dotson - - & McCormack so that should leave us 2 right? - -cause with De Sousa re-classifying - he counts against 17 -not 18 right? - -where am I off? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I agree we are more plugged into KU . Name a big program that’s had any drama with its bigs in the last 3-4 years?
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It’s interesting, I’ve thought that KU decided to vet this situation itself in order to possibly speed the process. Last time we waited on the ncaa to do it’s job diallo had to get a lawyer to bring resolution. There’s no telling how long this situation would have took had KU reported the issue from the day it happened and let them dig. KU did the leg work instead. He’s still missed 12 going on 14-15 and soon more so really what has been the benefit of KU doing anything. If it ends up helping Preston play 10-15 games I guess we can be thankful for their work. I’m sure they have worked hard to bring resolution to this.
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Jayballer54 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
We have one left for 18 assuming Billy and Malik leave.
hmmmm, ok, so I was thinking we initially was giving out 4 for 2018, so let’s see before De Sousa re-classified we had one left for 2017 right? -So he took that which filled us for this yr.
We was losing Devonte - -Svi - for 2018 as Seniors - then going off the assumption Vick was gone - -& Billy probably gone right? - -that would give 4 for 18 - -and if Malik that would be 5, - -so we used Grimes - -Dotson - - & McCormack so that should leave us 2 right? - -cause with De Sousa re-classifying - he counts against 17 -not 18 right? - -where am I off? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We’re now full for 2017-18 since Silvio is a 2017 recruit. Assuming 4 leave (Devonte, Svi, Billy, Malik), and we have 3 signed, there’s one left for 18-19.
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Where is Malik going? He is a mile and a goat away from being a NBA player. And Self has made several comments over the past months inferring Malik will be back. Vick, on the other hand…
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@drgnslayr I’d be stunned if Malik was back. He’s just ready for a paycheck, whether it’s in the D League or overseas. I’d love if he were back though. Takes some pressure of the freshmen to dominate the ball right away. Could easily start all 3 of Newman, Dotson, and Grimes. Assuming Vick leaves of course. I think it’s much, much more likely we have Vick than Newman.
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drgnslayr said:
Where is Malik going? He is a mile and a goat away from being a NBA player. And Self has made several comments over the past months inferring Malik will be back. Vick, on the other hand…
IF Malik doesn’t cut it and test NBA - -& I’m not saying he is ready by a long shot - - he is not - - BUT he won’t be back. I think it was a pretty given fact that he would sit his year and play a year, that’s why Coach even took him on the guarantee that he play a year. - -After this year? - -he is gone - whether it is over sea’s - -" G " league or whatever I just don’t think you will see him back - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Scholarships don’t have a specific year attached to them. The school can carry only 13 players on scholarship at any one time, regardless of whether they are freshmen, seniors or red shirts. If the school uses only 10 one year, it cannot carry the unused ones to the next year. It was lucky that KU had one left this year so Silvio can use it and he will be using one of the 13 next season as well.
I think this is what you were asking?
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Scholarships don’t have a specific year attached to them. The school can carry only 13 players on scholarship at any one time, regardless of whether they are freshmen, seniors or red shirts. If the school uses only 10 one year, it cannot carry the unused ones to the next year. It was lucky that KU had one left this year so Silvio can use it and he will be using one of the 13 next season as well.
I think this is what you were asking?
Thanks hell I just thought they carried over - -they could continue to carry for 3-4-5 years if they didn’t use them. Thanks for the info - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I’ve got an odd feeling that Billy Preston may just stay another year, if we can get him on the court. We all know he will not get good looks from the scouts. He hasn’t done enough. He will fade into mediocrity if he jumps after this season. He would be ‘smart’ to stay one more year regardless of what happens with this mess. If he does, we will be HIGHLY touted as the #1 team in the nation and a strong F4 contender. He will likely go to the workouts, like Svi, and then realize he needs work. But if he translates well, he may be taken at some level in the draft.
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@Jayballer54 Love Malik to death. But as much as the sitting may have done for him, it has also hurt him too. Again, my guess is, he will ‘test the waters’ and realize his stock is no where near where it needs to be at this point in his career. But again, we all know what happens with these guys too.
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@truehawk93 I can’t see it happening. There’s not really a spot for him next season. Are we going to relegate him to the bench again? He’ll have to compete with Silvio for the 3rd big spot.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@truehawk93 I can’t see it happening. There’s not really a spot for him next season. Are we going to relegate him to the bench again? He’ll have to compete with Silvio for the 3rd big spot.
Is this assuming Doke is back? I’d definitely rather have Doke back than Billy just from a parts/roster construction perspective.
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@BShark with the way he’s been playing, I don’t think he’ll be back unfortunately. If he does though, do we lose more than two games all year?
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HawkChamp said:
@BShark with the way he’s been playing, I don’t think he’ll be back unfortunately. If he does though, do we lose more than two games all year?
Probably just due to the growing pains of so many new starters. The potential is scary though.
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@BShark yeah Dotson and Grimes will need time. After that though, with Dok, no reason to not reach the final four. Too much depth and talent across the board. If we could get by the non con with no losses though, I think a one or two loss season would be realistic.
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@HawkChamp Silvio as the third big is just ridiculous, the kind of talented depth we haven’t had for awhile inside. Plus he will have the huge leg up of being with the team for half a season already.
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@BShark and people wonder why I can’t wait for next year. We’ll finally have a real Bill Self team, which hasn’t been seen since 2013. I’m ready to see some real toughness and defense like we used to see.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@truehawk93 I can’t see it happening. There’s not really a spot for him next season. Are we going to relegate him to the bench again? He’ll have to compete with Silvio for the 3rd big spot.
Is this assuming Doke is back? I’d definitely rather have Doke back than Billy just from a parts/roster construction perspective.
Yes. Doke has a ton left to work on from a NBA perspective. Can’t see him leaving yet.
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@FarmerJayhawk boy I hope you’re right. We have seen players do less and decide to still leave though.
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@HawkChamp for sure. I just think Udoka is a different kind of guy. He is still just 18, so no rush. He’d be the same age as most OAD type guys as a junior.
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I’m usually wrong on predicting players directions, so you may be right.
And it is hard to say… some players just aren’t cut for college but kick butt in the league. Maybe the league is exactly what Malik needs. Maybe he is overwhelmed with having to go to school while playing ball.
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I’m personally tired of Self claiming to hear word “real soon”, been hearing that for 3 weeks. I worried if we don’t get him soon, he won’t have time to delevop and won’t be a big bonus. The NCAA office is close til Tuesday now so I’d say the earliest word from the NCAA on De Sousa or Billy won’t be til Friday of next week. I think it’s fine that De Sousa can just practice because he probably wouldn’t be playing this soon anyway.
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kjayhawks said:
I’m personally tired of Self claiming to hear word “real soon”, been hearing that for 3 weeks. I worried if we don’t get him soon, he won’t have time to delevop and won’t be a big bonus. The NCAA office is close til Tuesday now so I’d say the earliest word from the NCAA on De Sousa or Billy won’t be til Friday of next week. I think it’s fine that De Sousa can just practice because he probably wouldn’t be playing this soon anyway.
Self isn’t even playing Cunliffe.
Silvio is much more of a need though.
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I am curious, what exactly would you like him to say when that is all the information he has available to him? Until he announces the NCAA decision he will critized by some regardless of what he says.
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@JayHawkFanToo Well just say I have no update, telling everyone real soon sucks because most folks “real soon” isn’t 3 weeks lol.
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If we are to believe the new news, Preston has to pay back money and doesn’t have the money to do so.
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@BeddieKU23 what options does he have?
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I understand that just came out yesterday. If that is the case, wouldn’t the logical answer be if you don’t have the money, give the dang car back?
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3 weeks in NCAA talk is really nothing.
