Quentin Grimes Is A Jayhawk (MONSTER CLASS ALERT)
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HawkChamp said:
What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?
I think they are slim if I was looking at this from his point of view.
Self stressed that he wouldn’t leave without a 1st round guarantee. Right now he’s no where near the 2nd round on mocks so it would seem he would be back right?
An extra year would do wonders for him, He’d have another 30+ games under his belt, another year to work on footwork, post moves, FT shooting etc. He’d only be 19 going to the NBA after next season.
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That’s big using a former player… Smart move.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
As far a KJ, we don’t know for sure how good he is or will be by next season with one year of practice under KU coaching and being conditioned by Hudy.
Kentucky is doing juts fine recruiting, #3 in Rivals and #4 in Scout. If they sign Zion likely they move to the top unless KU signs one more quality player like Langford.
I think KJ will be pretty good, KU just has a stacked roster.
As for Zion, the Clemson smoke is hooooooooooot and heavy right now. Seems like he might actually pop for Clemson soon.
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If I had to pick, I would definitely choose Zion. To me, he is almost a clone of Julius Randle - tall, powerful and fast. Randle was the main reason for their title game appearance, imo. He was almost impossible to stop and I see Zion being the same way. If we had landed Randle in 2013, i think that definitely would have been a final four year.
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BeddieKU23 said:
HawkChamp said:
What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?
I think they are slim if I was looking at this from his point of view.
Self stressed that he wouldn’t leave without a 1st round guarantee. Right now he’s no where near the 2nd round on mocks so it would seem he would be back right?
An extra year would do wonders for him, He’d have another 30+ games under his belt, another year to work on footwork, post moves, FT shooting etc. He’d only be 19 going to the NBA after next season.
Slim that he comes back? The rest of the post doesn’t seem to match up with that.
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@BShark he needs more polishing to have a long nba career.
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HawkChamp said:
If I had to pick, I would definitely choose Zion. To me, he is almost a clone of Julius Randle - tall, powerful and fast. Randle was the main reason for their title game appearance, imo. He was almost impossible to stop and I see Zion being the same way. If we had landed Randle in 2013, i think that definitely would have been a final four year.
Looks like he is going to be taking the Simmons/Fultz path.
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@BShark it ain’t over til it’s over. No one thought Wiggins was coming here but he did.
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Doke is right now pretty much an unknown since he did not play most of last season. As the season progresses he will show up in the NBA radar and his stock will go up if nothing else based on his size and potential.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
HawkChamp said:
What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?
I think they are slim if I was looking at this from his point of view.
Self stressed that he wouldn’t leave without a 1st round guarantee. Right now he’s no where near the 2nd round on mocks so it would seem he would be back right?
An extra year would do wonders for him, He’d have another 30+ games under his belt, another year to work on footwork, post moves, FT shooting etc. He’d only be 19 going to the NBA after next season.
Slim that he comes back? The rest of the post doesn’t seem to match up with that.
Yeah I don’t think Doke is looking at this the way we are. Maybe I’m wrong but I do think he wants to go after the year. Whether his injury from last year or how the season plays out changes that is TBD. Hopefully by season’s end we’ll have a clearer picture of what the scouts think of him.
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HawkChamp said:
What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?
Well I really don’t count for anything but If you were to ask me now, compared to say 3-4 months ago now I’m swaying more.
Here is my thoughts may not amount to squat but anyways, I’m getting more of a feeling there could be that chance Doke could return, before I thought for sure no matter what he was gone.
The reason for me thinking that is as I’ve said before - -still really raw, he just has to develop and or work on some kind of a shot other then dunk - I mean sure he could be drafted off his size alone always a place for a man of that size - -BUT if he doesn’t have some kind of shot going to be really hard for him . - -Plus I’m just not really convinced because it seems the NBA is kind of trending away from that true Big man, seems to be going with more of smaller quicker line up - the days of the old big I think is setting in the sunset. Really fast pace - Doke has to get that conditioning down, If I had to make a solid prediction right now. -I’d probably still lean a little more that he is gone, but just think there is more of a chance of a return then I thought before because of why I mentioned. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
HawkChamp said:
What are we thinking the odds are that Dok comes back?
I think they are slim if I was looking at this from his point of view.
Self stressed that he wouldn’t leave without a 1st round guarantee. Right now he’s no where near the 2nd round on mocks so it would seem he would be back right?
An extra year would do wonders for him, He’d have another 30+ games under his belt, another year to work on footwork, post moves, FT shooting etc. He’d only be 19 going to the NBA after next season.
Slim that he comes back? The rest of the post doesn’t seem to match up with that.
Yeah I don’t think Doke is looking at this the way we are. Maybe I’m wrong but I do think he wants to go after the year. Whether his injury from last year or how the season plays out changes that is TBD. Hopefully by season’s end we’ll have a clearer picture of what the scouts think of him.
Ok that’s what I thought you meant but I wanted to be sure. Of course being an African kid we know he has “handlers” and likely those guys want him in the league.
For now I tend to believe Self that he could stay if he won’t be a first rounder. I like that Self said that directly.
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@BShark I Think so - - my famous gut feeling lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I’m hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.
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@HawkChamp OH good another Randle - that means when he went on to the NBA it could be another one for JO JO to dominate like he did Randle - that’s a lot of what the talk about was from the game how Randle had no chance against JO JO - I’m just messing with ya about another Randle but that would make JO JO’s eyes light up for sure lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I’m hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.
Embiid phoned and said…WHAT?
Just kidding, I agree with you, the trend is towards big mobile stretch 4s.
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Embiid is AMAZING.
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from marquette’s mod.
"This was an interesting recruitment…
I think it came down to Kan and Texas…but at one time, MU led barely.
I thought MU had the opportunity for him to be showcased…and play the PG…
The family was key…I heard that mom really liked Wojo…but then she also attended Kansas.
I heard from Kansas people in Aug…that MU had a great shot because the dad really likes Wojo. That worried Kansas…
MU recruited Grimes hard…and gave it 100%…sending multiple coaches down to visit…which forced Self to do the same…
Then you hear that the father always wanted him to go to Kansas…who knows?"
What’s missing? no where does it say what Quentin wanted. What school Quentin liked. Obviously if a kid is considering your school and officially visits he likes you in some way. Always interesting to see the parents comments to schools but in the end its the kids choice. Just ask Keldon Johnson’s father.
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BShark said:
@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I’m hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.
Good point. Absolutely agree. At this point in my opinion it would be a big mistake for him to leave. He’s much improved but we know there’s so much more he can learn and get better at before jumping. Age is never going to be a factor with this kid so unlike other players his best basketball should still be years down the road.
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A couple thoughts here. As of today, Doke will be back. He’s not really on draft radars as of yet. People forget he’s just 18 and a couple months old. He has to show continued development on both ends, especially rebounding. He’ll have to get much better there to be an impact NBA center. Vick is the only guy we have that’s really caught the eye of scouts. They love his length, athleticism, and shooting ability. Just needs to refine it all and put the whole thing together. He’ll have plenty of opportunity this year. Newman is gone. He’s ready to get paid, whether that’s in the NBA, Europe, or Australia.
KJ is a small ball 4 at KU. That’s the spot where he maximizes strengths (passing, rebounding, defense) and minimizes weaknesses (shooting, handling). People are forgetting how good Dedric is. He has like 36 career double doubles already, plus gets a year with the best S&C coach in America to work on his below average athleticism. There’s no reason he can’t put up T-Rob type numbers next season. He’s also a tremendous passer. He and Doke could run the hell out of the high low, and we can space the floor with all the guards. The real guy to watch over the next couple years is Garrett. The staff is over the moon about him, and have basically guaranteed him a starting spot next season. His development is another reason why I don’t think we get Langford. I think there’s actually a good chance they’d prefer starting Garrett over Romeo.
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@FarmerJayhawk Dedric is a MONSTARRRRR. I will say it again he would be the best player on this year’s team as well.
Also I could see that. Romeo is instant offense but the word on him is that he coasts a bit and is lazy defensively. I’d happily take him because SCORING POINTS MATTERS but yeah Garrett will likely do everything else better next year.
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@BeddieKU23 My point exactly with Zion. - -Hearing Dad really wants him to stay home - -go to Clemson - like you just said though it’s Zion’s future - should be his decision - -whats Zion want? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Notice all the articles on Grimes where he said his mom didn’t push him to KU? Said she wanted it to be his decision and his alone.
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BShark said:
@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I’m hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.
Thing is bud - -IF again I - -say IF somehow - for some reason -Doke & Vick came back - -would there be enough spots available - -I’m sure coach threw at these recruits for next year that these people more chances then not would not be coming back - -especially when he is tell these guys that chances are they start. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
@jayballer54 Notice all the articles on Grimes where he said his mom didn’t push him to KU? Said she wanted it to be his decision and his alone.
" EXACTLY " and that’s the way it should be. - He is the one that needs to be happy at the College he is attending - -It’s his future we are talking about here - It should be HIS decision. I fully realize that as kids we want to make are parents happy - - proud - -but at the end of the day - it’s the kids life & future that’s the real issue here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
@justanotherfan @BeddieKU23 et al something to keep in mind is Doke plays a dying position. I think he needs to show more based on what I’m hearing/reading but we will see. Great thing is KU will be fine either way.
Thing is bud - -IF again I - -say IF somehow - for some reason -Doke & Vick came back - -would there be enough spots available - -I’m sure coach threw at these recruits for next year that these people more chances then not would not be coming back - -especially when he is tell these guys that chances are they start. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
It will be fine. Can never have too much talent.
I posted a roster breakdown for that in another thread.
The most disappointed would likely be Big Dave but I don’t think he expects to start anyway, unlike Dotson and Grimes.
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jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer54 Notice all the articles on Grimes where he said his mom didn’t push him to KU? Said she wanted it to be his decision and his alone.
" EXACTLY " and that’s the way it should be. - He is the one that needs to be happy at the College he is attending - -It’s his future we are talking about here - It should be HIS decision. I fully realize that as kids we want to make are parents happy - - proud - -but at the end of the day - it’s the kids life & future that’s the real issue here. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He was grinning ear to ear it was so great. Also he had that custom KU jersey ready. I think he had an idea for awhile, just wanted to confirm it.
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@jayballer54 Except Randle isn’t really a center, I think, right? He should have been dominated by Joel because he’s out of position. In college he was a power forward, he’s only 6’9" against a 7’2" guy.
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wissox said:
@jayballer54 Except Randle isn’t really a center, I think, right? He should have been dominated by Joel because he’s out of position. In college he was a power forward, he’s only 6’9" against a 7’2" guy.
True but not JO’S JO’S fault. - -he can only guard who he is told to guard - besides more and more position less BB anymore. - And Randle has graduated from College this is the NBA may have a power forward in College but it’s called welcome to the NBA lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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With Grimes, it really doesn’t make a huge difference what Vick’s decision is. That’s why landing Grimes was so important. If Vick comes back, you’re thinking about a truly great team. If Vick goes, you’re still really, really good.
Right now, as of this moment, KU has the following roster for next season:
Guards - Garrett, Cunliffe, Moore, Grimes, Dotson
Forwards - Lightfoot, K. Lawson, D. Lawson, De Sousa, McCormack
You can mix and match that group as much as you want.
Go small with the Lawson’s, Garrett, Grimes and either Dotson or Moore.
Go Big with Garrett, Grimes, the Lawson’s and McCormack or De Sousa.
Traditional lineup with Moore, Grimes, K. Lawson, De Sousa, McCormack
Everybody’s basically the same size lineup of Garrett, Cunliffe, Grimes, and the Lawson’s. You could switch everything with this group. I’m not sure many teams could actually match up with this group on the floor on both ends. Maybe nobody could.
And that’s without Vick. And without Azuibuke. Add those guys in, probably approach Lightfoot about redshirting, and you have a legitimate 11 deep team. Look at that group again. Cunliffe is probably the guard that won’t play much, but I think he’s going to play solid minutes on this year’s team (and do well). De Sousa is probably the least ready, but if he joins the team at semester this year, he could be much more ready to contribute as a soph.
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I really find the scholarship conversation interesting. There are really four underclassmen that have been rumored to consider going to the NBA after this year.
Vick, Newman, Preston, and Dok
As KU stands now, at least one of them must go in order to have enough scholarships. (Note, this whole post assumes there is no surprise transfer). The interesting part for me is that circumstances change throughout the year and nothing is guaranteed. Prior to the season starting, all I saw was people saying it was almost a given that Dok would be gone next year. Now, just two games into the season, all I’m hearing is that its probably more likely now that he stays another year (not on any mock drafts, plays a dying position in the nba, etc.). What if more circumstances change? What if, say Preston can’t play this year and NBA teams don’t want to take a chance on him until he proves he has his head on straight? What if Newman has an average year, would he really prefer to be paid overseas rather than try to improve his draft stock at KU? Of course there is always the scary Brandon Rush injury thing that could happen too which forces a player into another year of college.
Its all very interesting to me. It seems that even if someone like Romeo Langford wanted to sign with KU right now, Self would probably have to wait until Spring to know for sure that the spot is available.
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@RockkChalkk Desousa will use a 2017 scolorship if allowed to reclassify
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Billy and Malik are going pro no matter what. They want to get paid, whether it’s in the NBA or overseas.
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As far as I know, Lightfoot is studying Engineering and has no NBA aspiration so highly unlikely he redshirts.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
As far as I know, Lightfoot is studying Engineering and has no NBA aspiration so highly unlikely he redshirts.
I actually think this supports the argument for the redshirt. An extra year of free college to finish your Engineering degree, not in a rush to get to the NBA/Overseas. Doing Engineering while a Div. 1 athlete is a very tough thing to do, that extra year might be very welcomed actually.
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@BShark If Romeo is ALL IU, why not just commit already? He will be all IU bball. Lil Miller has already gone all out and put his cards on the recruiting table. Almost in a desperate way. I’ll tell you why. Romeo is waiting to see what Vick does. If Vick stays Romeo is IU and if Vick jumps, Romeo is a Jayhawk. Why drag this mess out. If you are Indiana Mr Basketball and you’re the man, you commit. Romeo is no dummy and he sees a good thing at KU. Either way, KU will be…KU.
How many all state Mr BBall players has KU landed over the years? Can anyone name them? La Frentz, Collison, Ellis, Heinrich, Grimes(?) … Any of our Chicago players? I hope Romeo understands this concept. I could be wrong, and the “Crystal ball” may be right, but something tells me this kid is looking hard at KU. Some might even think that Grimes coming may discourage Romeo, but Grimes is a 1-2, 3 and Romeo is mostly a 3? We could use a solid 3.
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truehawk93 said:
@BShark If Romeo is ALL IU, why not just commit already? He will be all IU bball. Lil Miller has already gone all out and put his cards on the recruiting table. Almost in a desperate way. I’ll tell you why. Romeo is waiting to see what Vick does. If Vick stays Romeo is IU and if Vick jumps, Romeo is a Jayhawk. Why drag this mess out. If you are Indiana Mr Basketball and you’re the man, you commit. Romeo is no dummy and he sees a good thing at KU. Either way, KU will be…KU.
How many all state Mr BBall players has KU landed over the years? Can anyone name them? La Frentz, Collison, Ellis, Heinrich, Grimes(?) … Any of our Chicago players? I hope Romeo understands this concept. I could be wrong, and the “Crystal ball” may be right, but something tells me this kid is looking hard at KU. Some might even think that Grimes coming may discourage Romeo, but Grimes is a 1-2, 3 and Romeo is mostly a 3? We could use a solid 3.
I said this exact line earlier about why is he waiting. I think it might just be Vandy or KU.
Garrett won some Texas POTY awards.
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@BShark You remember my gut feeling buddy? how you said you have faith in it? or starting to believe in it?
Well - - - -I think with Garland going to Vanderbilt & strong possibility looking like they may land Shittu also - -my gut feeling telling me Vandy ha become a major player - just like Texas with Grimes. Langford has talk about playing with Garland and the talk for awhile was the two at Indiana - now just switch the scenario a tad. Those three would make Vandy a pretty solid program - all I’m sayin is HEAD’S UP - -my gut is talking to me again lol - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Romeo is close with Garland and Grimes. It’s going to be a tough decision for him.
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@RockkChalkk beat me to it, but given his degree program and the fact that he has no pro aspirations, I think Mitch may be open to having a year where he can really focus on academics, which gives him a chance to finish his degree, play four years, have a little fun and leave school without much in the way of debt. It’s certainly something that they should consider talking to him about. He can provide depth in 2019 and 2020, and it benefits him as well.
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@BShark Wasn’t Lightfoot POY in Arizona?
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@Barney R.I.P. Arizona hoops
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@Barney yes! He also said the only way he’d leave ku would be in a box-casket. I’m rooting for him!
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Just of the top of my head…Tyrel Reed were Kansas POY and so was Releford and Simien, Conner Teahan was Missouri Gatorade POY, Garret was Texas Gatorade POY, Carlie Moore was Illinois Gatorade POY, Lightfoot was Arizona Gatorade POY, Xavier Henry was Oklahoma Gatorade POY…several were multi-year winners.
Essentially every player at KU, including walk-ons, has been an All State or All Conference player.
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Engineering students tend to be different and not typical of other student that want to stay longer in school because the job prospects are not that great. Most of the Engineering students I know, both as a student and instructor, want to finish their degree in 4 years and move into the real world; taking a couple of classes in the Summer makes it very feasible. Now, if he wants to go to graduate school I can see where he could stay an extra year.
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@JayHawkFanToo DON’T FORGET PERRY
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I was listing the players not mentioned in the original post; he did mention Ellis.
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BShark said:
@Barney R.I.P. Arizona hoops
You STOP THAT lol. - -Mitch tries ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo This is going to show my age some but what the hell. I think David Magley was Mr Basketball from his state too right? - Just can’t remember which State. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
