Jaybate This Is Your Day
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@Statmachine I would at least think that we have multiple levels of separation.
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I would be shocked if this has any widespread impact unless there is more coming down the pipeline.
Singling out just 4 coaches among the 100’s and advisors, agents etc among the thousands is not stopping business as usual tomm. Maybe it has a short-term effect but the AAU season is over, and doesn’t start back up for a bit. Time will pass and unless Federal oversight keeps its foot down peeps will go back to doing what they always do
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Damn this is crazy, shocked to see this come out and not include Cal. We all know these guys are getting paid.
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@BeddieKU23 In the press conference they made it sound like they will continue monitoring college basketball and that they are in pretty deep at this point. They got one guy to turn and that caused 10 people to get arrested. The Justice Department and FBI now have 2 options:
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They can use this as a warning to other programs and brand reps. They don’t offer plea deals and crush these 10 individuals with long prison sentences and harsh fines hoping that the scare tactic works. I think this would be effective to an extent.
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They can take those 10 people and offer them pleas and get another 100 people. Then take the 100 people and get 1000. And actually clean up college basketball.
I think #2 seems more likely. They have already done the hard part by getting in the system and finding out what was going on. Now, you take these 10 people, you slam a 5-year prison sentence in front of the 4 coaches and offer up a deal if they will give you names. You slam a 20-year prison sentence and millions in fines in front of the brand reps and offer up a deal if they will give you every name you ever wanted. This lets these coaches continue their lives and puts a stop to the problem without legitimately ruining anyone’s life. This is not something people need to do jail time for. But it is something that needs to be fixed.
I do suppose there is a 3rd option that is what usually happens:
- No major penalties or jail time are enforced. Precedence is set. Business continues as usual.
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The minute I saw KU get that big adidas contract, Self talk retirement, and heard KU had a $50 M stadium donor, coupled with rumors of KU leaving for B10, I suspected there would be blow back!!!
But it’s now way bigger than sports. Our Deep State appears to be at war with a major element in Germany and its allies in USA. Hoops and shoe wars are caught up in much higher stakes.
Artillery always fires short and long before targeting in between. Buckle helmets and fill sand bags. I sense incoming!
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@jaybate-1-0 I thought you’d appreciate the thread title.
And yes, how great that the FBI is tackling THE REAL ISSUES in the world today.
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No way Pitino and Pearl survive this right? LOL
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@BeddieKU23 Rick Pitino gets fired over this, period.
Jim Gatto, director of global sports marketing at Adidas, was among those arrested. He’s accused of helping funnel approximately $100,000 to the family of an “All-American high school basketball player” to secure the prospect’s commitment to a school Adidas sponsors. According to documents, the prospect committed in June. The only “All-American high school basketball player” who committed to a school Adidas sponsors in June is Brian Bowen. He’s now enrolled at Louisville.
Louisville coach Rick Pitino was asked about Bowen’s commitment in June. “We got lucky on this one,” Pitino said. "I had an AAU director call me and say, ‘Would you be interested in a basketball player?’ I said … ‘Yeah, I’d be really interested.’ But [Bowen and his people] had to come in unofficially, pay for their hotels, pay for their meals. So we spent zero dollars recruiting a five-star athlete who I loved when I saw him play. In my 40-some-odd years of coaching, this is the luckiest I’ve been."
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@jaybate-1.0 You called it. The big shoe money, the buying off players, the embargo … the whole enchilada. Your scoffers probably won’t be heard from, I’m guessing.
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KUSTEVE said:
@jaybate-1.0 You called it. The big shoe money, the buying off players, the embargo … the whole enchilada. Your scoffers probably won’t be heard from, I’m guessing.
I mean, it was the worst kept secret in the world. Not sure I believe the embargo though. Do I believe Self burned some bridges? Seems likely, but embargo? Meh.
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@BShark Mo Kan Elite.
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Cracking down on adidas appears like cracking down on hub cap thieves in a 'hood, while heroin, crack and meth are reputedly being sold openly on Wall Street.
Is this a serious attack on adidas market share for challenging TPTB?
adidas appears practically marginalized already in its apparent ability to supply top talent in competitive quantities!
What must TPTB be doing?
Holy cow! Whatta world!
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@KUSTEVE DEAD!
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jaybate 1.0 said:
Cracking down on adidas appears like cracking down on hub cap thieves in a 'hood, while heroin, crack and meth are reputedly being sold openly on Wall Street.
Is this a serious attack on adidas market share for challenging TPTB?
adidas appears practically marginalized already in its apparent ability to supply top talent in competitive quantities!
What must TPTB be doing?
Holy cow! Whatta world!
They are getting anyone they can. Multiple Nike and UA guys too. One of the Adidas execs just recently left Nike for Adidas, so the transgressions probably took place while at Nike.
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What’s weird to me is none of the four coaches charged so far are even at Adidas schools. ??
OSU, USC, Arizona are Nike schools. Auburn is Under Armour.
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DanR said:
What’s weird to me is none of the four coaches charged so far are even at Adidas schools. ??
OSU, USC, Arizona are Nike schools. Auburn is Under Armour.
Yep. This is what I was saying earlier. They are nabbing ANYONE they can catch.
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Arizona: Nike school Auburn: Under Armour school Oklahoma State: Nike school USC: Nike school Charged with federal crime: adidas exec
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Hope you’re right, but it appears we are in for a very, very long and hard fought economic war for the soul/sole of the game. And I believe we are still quite early in the asymmetric strategic-tactical exploitation of the legal-political constraint.
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Option 3 sounds likely to happen but the FBI definitely just opened a bunch of eyes (millions) to this so hopefully if they actually plan to do something here they will keep the pedal down and push through.
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jaybate 1.0 said:
Hope you’re right, but it appears we are in for a very, very long and hard fought economic war for the soul/sole of the game. And I believe we are still quite early in the asymmetric strategic-tactical exploitation of the legal-political constraint.
If you are saying more will come of this I agree. Still very early in the process.
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I’m saying you have to make it look like you are going after “everyone”, when you are going after “someone.”
I’m saying leopards don’t change spots until AFTER they have been hopelessly crushed.
Self talking retirement very recently (ie, appearing to make himself a lameduck) and appearing to tie it to “the way recruiting is”, which was already anomalous, grows increasingly conspicuous.
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I could be wrong, but I just don’t see the FBI leaving it all on the floor for Cal in Lexington, while Mitch McConnell has enough clout to appear to stop repeal of Obamacare for the Deep State.
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It’s easy to read that as Self jumping out in front of it.
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One other interesting thing about this is that only Adidas is mentioned but 3 of the 4 schools are Nike andd the other is under armor.
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It is thought-provoking.
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To et al,
I have only been posing a hypothesis for the last few years, one of many possible explanations of puzzling phenomena in college basketball recruiting. And at the end of the day today, this is just a piece of evidence at the arrest and allegation stage. Nothing definitive .
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Are we pristine?
Is this the death of college basketball?
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HighEliteMajor said:
Are we pristine?
Is this the death of college basketball?
No.
I doubt it but maybe.
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FBI raided ASM and seized Andy Miller’s computer. Calipari might be developing some back issues soon. Heard K gave him tips on that.
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Self has been talking about retiring around 60 for a long time, his recent comments are in line with what he’s said for the past decade or so about he long he wants to coach.
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ESPN’s version of the story says Adidas funneled 3 players, but we only know of Brian Bowen to Louisville.
What’s the time period for Adidas to funnel players to schools? Does is impact any 2016 players or is it all 2017 and 2018 players?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 CBS version https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/explaining-the-fbi-probe-and-the-corruption-scandal-rocking-college-basketball/
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Well went to the Kentucky boards, of Course Kentucky people saying Coach Self is probably sweating like the Niagra Falls under his toupee - -typical on top of the fact they think Louisville may get the death penalty or at least some but you know how they are.
Louisville Board saying big news announcement tomorrow morning and that Rick P is going to be fired. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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One possibility is this is only expediently about basketball. Two axes of private oligarchy appear to be struggling over who gets to wage the wars and get the contracts and resources necessary to extend the private central bank hegemony into Syria, Iran, NorKor, and Russia. This struggle exposes fissures in the new world order. Players like Germany in the past allowed to have action in many of the producer oligopolies bridle at some of the risks and costs they are being asked to bear. When they don’t play ball, they have to be sanctioned, right? Sanctions are the Tao of Empire that precede subjugation, right? Sanctions take many forms. Lesser players down the food chain recognize they can ply political and economic pressures to serve short sighted seemingly unrelated agendas and get help In doing things, under the rubric of the unofficial sanctioning process. Seemingly unconnected anomalous events, perhaps like this one, appear sometimes as fallout. Time will tell how serious TPTB are about global petroshoe and petroapparel market domination, and whether it is significant to, insignificant to pursuit of grand strategy. Too soon to say much right now IMHO. But I’ll ask you this. Do you think the times favor a German shoe company IN American sports against two American shoecos with Nike’s and Under Armour’s varying origins of political and financial backing, when the USA is apparently frustrated about GERMANY feasting on Russian gas and refusing nukes, er, ABMs, to ring and villify Russia for take down? I half wonder if we won’t soon be seeing a Polish tennis shoe company created!!!
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Et al,
In strategy, you encircle before attacking the real target.
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The more I read about this, the weirder it is.
Shoe Co.'s shovel hundreds of millions to universities, and that’s cool.
Adidas sliding $20K to some assistant coaches at Nike/UA schools to basically recruit nike players for adidas sponsorship post-college is, like… Whoah. Call the FBI someone!
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When a problem is not solvable at one locus, enlarge the locus?
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jayballer54 said:
Well went to the Kentucky boards, of Course Kentucky people saying Coach Self is probably sweating like the Niagra Falls under his toupee - -typical on top of the fact they think Louisville may get the death penalty or at least some but you know how they are.
Louisville Board saying big news announcement tomorrow morning and that Rick P is going to be fired. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
They might want to be more concerned with the fact that the FBI just seized the computer of one of Cal’s boys, Andy Miller.
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DanR said:
The more I read about this, the weirder it is.
Shoe Co.'s shovel hundreds of millions to universities, and that’s cool.
Adidas sliding $20K to some assistant coaches at Nike/UA schools to basically recruit nike players for adidas sponsorship post-college is, like… Whoah. Call the FBI someone!
“A fin. advisor was cooperating with gov’t. SEC had brought securities fraud against him last year for misusing the athletes money.” - DOJ
This all started because they got something on one guy, and he very quickly started helping them uncover more.
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@jaybate-1-0 Interesting question … the answer of course is the one you expect. “America first.”
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Read off the LJW a few moments ago. KU was not referenced by the US Attorney Joon H Kim in New York City.
Gatto had touted the deal Adidas reached with KU on his social media pages recently, Marchiony though said Gatto" had nothing to do " with the recent negotiations between Ku and Adidas.
As of 3:00 pm KU had had no contact from the Federal government about the probe and added KU had been pro active to find out more information about the situation.
Kim said the investigation was on going and many basketball analysts across the country described that Tuesday was merely the tip of the ice berg. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Anyone ever catch the 30 for 30 film playing for the mob? I feel like we are right in the middle of that and wonder how far it goes. Here’s your rat:
In U.S. Department of Justice documents obtained by ESPN, Louis Martin “Marty” Blazer III is the witness who cooperated with the FBI in its investigation of the coaches and other defendants.
Blazer, a former Pittsburgh financial adviser who was accused of swindling $2.35 million from five clients by the Securities and Exchange Commission and founded Blazer Capital Management, was accused of investing money into movies and entertainment ventures without his clients’ knowledge between 2010 and 2012. As part of his plea agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s office, Blazer agreed to plead guilty to securities fraud, aggravated identity theft, false statements and documents, and two counts of wire fraud, according to the Sept. 19 cooperation agreement.
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I think we are entering a new era of political and social activism, strong watchdogs and legal oversight. Everyone wants to drain swamps these days. I wonder if NCAA basketball was Obama’s targeted swamp, and this investigation a parting gift to the integrity of the game he loves. Unfortunately, Nike’s admirals are yesterday’s pirates.
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Good news is we have an open scholarship for lets say a big. Maybe Malik Williams?
