Whiff City
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Isn’t this article misleading? At the US Junior mini camp the squid will actually have a captive audience to recruit filled with top players, several UK prospects/targets, and muck like coach rate face, an unfair advantage.
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An unfair Nike UK advantage. Also in that article is a video of him discussing Bol Bol.
Now isn’t it universal that coaches can’t talk about recruits until they are signed? Why is he allowed to speak openly about a player he doesn’t have the right to talk about at this point in time… I’ll never understand the rules
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Kind of a brilliant move for him to take the reins of that team, honestly. I don’t think it’ll make much difference with the guys we’re after. UK is getting some buzz with Grimes, but I don’t think it’s real at all. Zion may end up there, but that depends on who stays and who goes from UK at the end of the season too. He won’t go to UK with Vanderbilt and Washington still there IMO.
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Jermaine Harris to URI.
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Vanderbilt injured his foot and he will be out for at least 3 months and his chances of being OAD likely diminished. Kyrie Irving was injured most of his only season at Duke and did not hurt him at all and was the first pick of the draft, he was a much better prospect than Vanderbilt though.
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BeddieKU23 said:
An unfair Nike UK advantage. Also in that article is a video of him discussing Bol Bol.
Now isn’t it universal that coaches can’t talk about recruits until they are signed? Why is he allowed to speak openly about a player he doesn’t have the right to talk about at this point in time… I’ll never understand the rules
As a troll of the UK board - one of the threads was Bol’s mother wants answers. - -I guess they wanting to know why Bol Bol was cut from a team that Cal was Coaching this past summer, - -Guess it hurt his feelings.
Bol is suppose to be going to UK for a visit - -mom wants answers - said she was a little upset Bol got cut too. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well FWIW I reckon - -read off the Phog that Eric Bossi predicted today that we get Grimes & Langford. - -He is from the Rivals isn’t he? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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They also predicted wrong for Keldon Johnson, so tifwiw.
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Well here ya go. This ought to give you some chuckle on a Friday kind of slow with our targets so - -something to tickle ya maybe.
As I was trolling UK board a UK poster said in regards to the UK/KU recruiting of Zion this HAS to be " THE STATEMENT " of the century. - He said: Self at KU is a good Coach - -KU is a good basketball team - -BUT - -there is the infamous BUT - - Zion is in the elite group of kids that would rather play a style of play that allows for you - - -WAIT - - -WAIT - --WAIT FOR IT - - -WAIT - - OK - -WAIT - -zion would rather play a style of ball that allows you to - here we go - - GET UP AND DOWN THE FLOOR. - - – OMFG - - really ? - -seriously? - -somebody PLEASE help me , lol - -place clear this up for me - -Am I that dis-connected? I guess I’ve been hitting the pipe to long - -I could of swore KU like to umm GET UP AND DOWN THE FLOOR - -I could of swore we like to get out and run when we can. - -HELP explain this statement. - -My damn ribs hurt - -statement of the century lmao.
Then another poster way more logical - makes sense to me. - doesn’t necessarily mea Zion landing here but he brings out very good points about UK landing Zion. - He said: – -Zion is going into the spring on his recruitment. Poster said he didn’t love UK position anymore. - -His reason as to why? - Was UK’S recent push for O’Neal and Bol despite getting 1-2 big wings plus 1-2 bigs back next year, should tell you something. - -Makes sense to me - valid point. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Whaaaaa? - -No Zion comit to KU yet today? - - -that can’t be right. - he secretly committed last Saturday - -rumor mill SAID so - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 why would Zion commit today?
This is Rivals prediction.
Schools involved: Clemson, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, UCLA
The latest: After postponing his Kentucky visit, Williamson took his first official to Kansas last weekend. He’s been to Clemson and South Carolina unofficially this fall and still has set visits for Duke and UCLA.
Predictions: Eric Bossi- Kentucky; Corey Evans- Kentucky; Dan McDonald- Duke; Krysten Peek- Kentucky
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3genhawk said:
@jayballer54 why would Zion commit today?
This is Rivals prediction.
Schools involved: Clemson, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, UCLA
The latest: After postponing his Kentucky visit, Williamson took his first official to Kansas last weekend. He’s been to Clemson and South Carolina unofficially this fall and still has set visits for Duke and UCLA.
Predictions: Eric Bossi- Kentucky; Corey Evans- Kentucky; Dan McDonald- Duke; Krysten Peek- Kentucky
No wasn’t being serious at all here. - -I/we fully knew that he wasn’t committing today. I was poking fun of a rumorthat had came out saying that Zion had secretly verbally Committed to Coach Self last Saturday when he was on his official visit to KU, and that he was going to announce his commit today that’s all just messin that’s all.
He has not re-scheduled any visit with Kentucky at this point, In reality I don’t feel we end up with Zion- -but again was just killing time as these rumor mills get wild lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Feel we will have our answer on Devon this coming week one way or another - -good or bad. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I’m betting on Maryland being the pick.
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BShark said:
I’m betting on Maryland being the pick.
Ya? - -and you know me -I’m riding my horse till the end of the race - -from day one. The fat lady is not even close to being in the building yet. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
I’m betting on Maryland being the pick.
I am not. Sticking with KU until I hear differently.
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BShark said:
I’m betting on Maryland being the pick.
I think he is smarter than that.
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BShark said:
I’m betting on Maryland being the pick.
I hate to agree but it just seems that’s the way this will end up. Maybe its just the pessimist in me with regards to recruiting. They have certainly thrown everyone off guard with how this recruitment has gone since the summer.
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@BeddieKU23 I mean, someone in his camp has to be anti-KU right? This recruitment was too weird for that not to be the case.
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I will add whatever Ayala decides to do this week has some possibly important implications. Ayala visited Maryland the same weekend as Dotson and Keldon Johnson and reportedly will decide this week as well. Ayala has been viewed as a strong Maryland lean but obviously they want the bigger fish in Dotson so he’s been viewed as more of the backup plan. Ayala went and visited Oregon over the weekend. Whoever his pick is would likely tell us where Dotson is going.
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Ayala announcing for MD before Dotson announces would be kind of hilarious.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I mean, someone in his camp has to be anti-KU right? This recruitment was too weird for that not to be the case.
Probably his mother. Of course I’m assuming but what mother wants her child so far from home in an unfamiliar area. I doubt it was the father seems how he has been pretty high on KU with each visit. I could be wrong though.
There’s a lot of ways to look at this.
He visited Maryland out of respect to the coaches and his friend Aaron Wiggins. Take advantage of the visits, see what they had to offer with fit etc. It’s closer to home and his friend is obviously holding some sway here.
How could he look at their depth chart and be excited about competing for PG minutes with Cowan. Keldon Johnson looks like he’s a Terp as well which puts even more doubt in where his minutes are. Huerter will be Jr as well who handles some PG responsibilities. They also have Morsell who will play this year and most likely split some time at both guard positions.
At this point each school has competition. If he doesn’t feel Vick is leaving and Grimes is a lock for KU then we really can’t convince him otherwise that he’d beat out Charlie Moore. As a blueblood school this is on Self to close the deal.
The one thing that keeps me confident at all is KU is locked in on Dotson and Grimes only. There is no one else. That is unlike most years where Self likes someone more then others but keeps recruiting that position with other targets. We are not seeing that this year. We’ve mentioned Ayo and Carey as examples of that & others.
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Just as Maryland was asked to provide a realistic depth chart I’m sure KU was asked to do the same.
Known returners - Moore, Garrett
High probability of entering the draft- Newman
Probably will test the draft process- Vick
Leaving due to graduation- Graham
Best Case Scenario KU returns 4 of its 5 rotation guards.
Worst Case Scenario KU returns 2 of its 5 rotation guards.
Middle of the Road Scenario KU returns 3 of its 5 rotation guards.
I’m sure this is a big debate among the Dotson’s…
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Looks like Jules Bernard is all UCLA…
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Bol Bol down to Oregon and Kentucky.
Would be funny if he goes to Kentucky after Cal cut him this summer. Oregon could get the 2nd player Cal cut (King)… Some great leftovers. I think Bol Bol wants the attention he’d get at Kentucky
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Is Vandy a legit concern for Langford? They are likely going to land Garland and all the recent smoke is they will get Shittu as well. Hmm Vandy goes from landing the occasional Top 100 player to possibly 3 5 stars, hmmm okay
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Emmitt Williams has visisted Oregon. Has LSU and Florida also coming up. Wants to see Duke. Looks like KU lost out there with getting others. With all the rumors of his handler running things I don’t think he was in control of where he went anyway (all Nike)
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Ayo down to Illinois and Wake Forest… Manning could real in another big one
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@BeddieKU23 Self could realistically tell Dotson that he’s the starter at PG, correct? Do you see any impediment there? Charlie Moore isn’t much of a roadblock it would appear/I would hope.
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@BeddieKU23 Bryce Drew. Will he be a better coach with talent than his brother?
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I said it before and I will say it again…if an elite PG is afraid of competition from a player like Moore (no disrespect intended), do you really want that player?
Moore is a good or even a very good player but I am not sure anyone would call him elite.
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BeddieKU23 said:
The one thing that keeps me confident at all is KU is locked in on Dotson and Grimes only. There is no one else. That is unlike most years where Self likes someone more then others but keeps recruiting that position with other targets. We are not seeing that this year. We’ve mentioned Ayo and Carey as examples of that & others.
Great point. If Grimes goes to Kentucky and Dotson to Maryland, who does KU focus their attention on for a point capable guard? Langford would be a terrific score but doesn’t fit that description of being a PG and he is the only other true guard I’m hearing that KU is after.
I really hope Dotson picks KU, he is a perfect fit and i could just see him blowing up here. Would hate to see that kind of talent end up at MD and be wasted. Turgeon has been coaching there for 7 seasons, has only made the tourny three of those 7 seasons and has a winning percentage of 67%. His seeds those three seasons he made the tourny were #4, #5, & #6. During that same time period under Self, KU has made the tourny all seven years and obviously won the conference championship all seven of those years. Self’s winning percentage is 83% and his worst seed in the tourny in the past 7 years was a 2! Four of the last seven seasons KU was a 1 seed and the other three KU was a 2 seed. If Dotson wants to win, and with winning comes the spotlight and publicity, there is a clear and obvious choice here.
Melo Trimble was similarly ranked to Dotson. He ended up playing at MD for three years and then went undrafted. Kansas’ PG the last three years was a guy that was undersized, unranked, and ended up being player of the year. Just sayin…
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 Self could realistically tell Dotson that he’s the starter at PG, correct? Do you see any impediment there? Charlie Moore isn’t much of a roadblock it would appear/I would hope.
He reportedly did tell Dotson he would be starter from day 1. He also said the same to Grimes. That’s what both have said in regard to what Self’s main message was to them.
I don’t see any impediment with Moore from viewing Charlie’s film and statistics. Plus we give up a good bit of size if we are relying on Moore as a starter next year. He’s smaller then Mason and not even in the same ballpark athletically. I think Moore’s best years are as Jr & Sr, a full 2 years after being in the system. At least that’s where I see his game going at this point.
But that doesn’t mean Dotson and his family are looking at it that way. And who knows what way they are looking at it from. The situation with Grimes makes it harder to convince 5 stars they can co-exist (unless your Cal and Coach K)
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“If Grimes goes to Kentucky and Dotson to Maryland, who does KU focus their attention on for a point capable guard? Langford would be a terrific score but doesn’t fit that description of being a PG and he is the only other true guard I’m hearing that KU is after.”
I don’t know, we’ve been in this position before like last year when we put all our eggs into Trae Young and Colin Sexton baskets. We tried to land Sexton first then whiffed, then Young gave us the slip as well after. There were others as well but we ended up with Charlie Moore which was a disappointment IMO. Maybe Charlie pans out, he definitely was a “safe option” that will be here for the next 3 seasons. At minimum we have a guy with PG experience on the D-1 level who produced in a Power 5 conference. CM might not be the “sexy” option but at least he’s here battling now with Devonte to learn the ropes. Usually those guys end up doing good things under Self. But CM has his limitations height wise, athletically, and questions about his efficiency and production. Obviously KU provides him the opportunity to improve tremendously on everything.
It’s certainly possible we don’t land either target again and at that point we’d be stuck looking at the spring for whatever leftovers pop up. We shouldn’t be in that position hopefully. At some point though despite the two bigs he’s landed so far we’d have to start questioning our recruiting approach with these top ranked guards. We just need one to change the narrative.
I agree Dotson could have a really good career here. I don’t know what approach they took with him but if they weren’t showing him what Frank did last season then I don’t know. Dotson has a lot of qualities that mix and match with not only Frank but fellow North Carolina native Devonte. He absolutely fits the type of guard that would thrive here.
The one thing that should be important in Dotson’s mind in regards to his future after College is what school benefits him the most for the NBA. If we take Frank and Melo for example.
Melo- big freshman year, inconsistent soph year, big junior year- goes pro- undrafted
Frank- backup role as a freshman, starter as a Soph, starter as a Jr (inconsistent year overall), POY as a Sr - 2nd round pick.
Neither came to College with the ideal measurable’s the NBA salivates over. Neither went 1st round although Frank’s play got him drafted despite his frame. Playing at KU was a huge advantage over playing at Maryland.
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If we have to go to battle with Charlie Moore at point guard, I’m fine with that. He might be short, but the biggest front line in like …ever will mitigate some of my concerns about his height. Self will have him driving to the basket and dumping off to our enormous front line all game long. Charlie has a shot at being a pretty decent college player, imo. That’s the beauty of having an entire year for Charlie to get better going against Devonte and Newman. I like the way he plays. He can’t drive the ball like Frank, so he pulls up on his way to the basket, and shoots a funky little mini shot, which keeps him from being eaten alive in the paint. It kind of reminds me of the Selden sideway shot, where Wayne would drive sideways across the middle of the lane, and miss a 4 foot shot by 2 feet. Only Charlie, unlike Wayne, makes that funky shot. Love Wayne, though. Just not that shot.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Jules Bernard is all UCLA…
KU never had a chance here.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Bol Bol down to Oregon and Kentucky.
Would be funny if he goes to Kentucky after Cal cut him this summer. Oregon could get the 2nd player Cal cut (King)… Some great leftovers. I think Bol Bol wants the attention he’d get at Kentucky
I have no doubt Bol Bol wants Kentucky. This class sucks for bigs, so I would bet Cal takes him.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Jules Bernard is all UCLA…
KU never had a chance here.
I agree was just posting for those that may try and bring his name up again
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Bol Bol down to Oregon and Kentucky.
Would be funny if he goes to Kentucky after Cal cut him this summer. Oregon could get the 2nd player Cal cut (King)… Some great leftovers. I think Bol Bol wants the attention he’d get at Kentucky
I have no doubt Bol Bol wants Kentucky. This class sucks for bigs, so I would bet Cal takes him.
He has the most boom or bust potential I’ve seen a long time.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Is Vandy a legit concern for Langford? They are likely going to land Garland and all the recent smoke is they will get Shittu as well. Hmm Vandy goes from landing the occasional Top 100 player to possibly 3 5 stars, hmmm okay
Shittu, what a bizarre recruitment. Looks like he wants to be the guy? Also he’d probably be at UK but UK didn’t take him due to Barrett.
For those that don’t know Barrett and Shittu had some kind of rift, iirc it involved Barrett’s dad. Mutually exclusive recruits.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Emmitt Williams has visisted Oregon. Has LSU and Florida also coming up. Wants to see Duke. Looks like KU lost out there with getting others. With all the rumors of his handler running things I don’t think he was in control of where he went anyway (all Nike)
KU absolutely made the right decision imo. Williams is a nice player, very tough and intense motor so Self would have loved him but when you can lock up a couple top 40 guys early you do it. Esp considering the Nike risk here.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Ayo down to Illinois and Wake Forest… Manning could real in another big one
Yeah, KU didn’t even try here. Unfortunate because I think he is a good player but if KU lands Dotson and Grimes, no complaints.
Supposedly there is a rift between Dosunmu and THT but I’ve also seen that refuted…
Hope he ends up at Wake.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I said it before and I will say it again…if an elite PG is afraid of competition from a player like Moore (no disrespect intended), do you really want that player?
Moore is a good or even a very good player but I am not sure anyone would call him elite.
Like Frank, I think Moore is more of a scoring guard that would have to grow into being a PG. Kid can fill it up but it would be nice if he was one of the first guards off the bench next year.
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@KUSTEVE I don’t know. Moore just seems marginal to me. @BeddieKU23 said, “But CM has his limitations height wise, athletically, and questions about his efficiency and production.” True. And I don’t like that truth. CM seems like a guy that is a capable back up, and a guy that we can easily (and should) recruit over. But that judgment is made off his freshman season, and seeing him from the Italy trip. I just don’t want to go to battle with him starting.
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This will be a backtrack from my previous assertions (as @Texas-Hawk-10 knows…) but if KU misses on Dotson and Grimes but lands say, Langford, I could see Garrett starting at PG. I’m really coming around on Garrett.
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@BShark So what do you think of Garrett’s ballhandling? Seems a little 2-guardish. I used to be ok with that to a degree, but after the EJ experience, I’m a pure point guard guy. No combo guards please – combo guard is code for, “can’t dribble like a point guard.” I want the bad a** ball handler.
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So Keldon Johnson is pushing back his decision 3-4 more weeks. The Maryland board is melting down. If we believe that UK is the main comp for Grimes (honestly Marquette COULD be) then we would hope Johnson changes to UK (recent momentum was all MD but it appears he is changing his mind).
HighEliteMajor said:
@BShark So what do you think of Garrett’s ballhandling? Seems a little 2-guardish. I used to be ok with that to a degree, but after the EJ experience, I’m a pure point guard guy. No combo guards please – combo guard is code for, “can’t dribble like a point guard.” I want the bad a** ball handler.
Oh 100% I want to see Dotson a Jayhawk and running the point next year.
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I think Garrett could handle himself at PG. I do worry about his quickness against smaller guards. But if his reputation for defense translates we’ll see. He’s definitely an advantage to have at the position if he is as good as advertised
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@KUSTEVE I don’t think anyone here is doubting the kid’s ability to fill it up.
