2018 Recruiting Thread
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The staff has made it clear they want two guards in this class. Now, do they get two top guards? That remains to be seen but recent history would say no.
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It will be important to see how the domino’s at the PG position play out this fall. Everyone is waiting for someone to make the first move.
I’d be happy if KU got one of its elite guard targets (Grimes or Dotson) and someone like Noah Locke who’s the prototypical Top 100 4 star recruit but fills a need that’s leaving the team (perimeter shooting) after this season. Locke shot over 50% from 3 this summer. If KU can grab multiple elite guards to add to its roster then I think it would send a message into the recruiting world that KU and Self are still one of the top dogs out there.
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Can we fly Mitchell Robinson out to Italy really quick? Do we think the staff put in a phone call at least? Would you take him?
I think he goes overseas, but I just figured I’d ask.
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I’d take him in a second. Probably won’t happen tho.
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Sounds like WKU players were happy he’s gone.
Probably the type of person you don’t want, but the talent and need for a big of his potential would make it hard to pass up.
I thought he would have landed at LSU first time around. Wade has inspired life into a terrible basketball program. They don’t have an open scholarship to give him but I’m sure those things just work themselves out
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@BShark What did he do?
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Well read where we picked up a couple more CB’S for Devon – -that’s my boy - -I know the CB’S are pretty much a mute point, - -well at least for the most part. - -Ayton is solid proof of that as he showed us 100% right up until the end. - -Anyways like I have said many times , Would be really sweet if we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both, add Williams that would be a pretty solid start for next year — -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark What did he do?
Last Wednesday night, Western Kentucky freshman center Mitchell Robinson packed up all of his stuff and went back to his home in Louisiana without telling anyone at WKU. When he didn’t report to a workout the next day, staff members went to his dorm room and discovered that it was empty.
On Sunday, Western Kentucky head coach Rick Stansbury traveled to New Orleans to meet with both Robinson and his mother. Robinson reportedly expressed that he was having second thoughts about attending WKU, and was wanting to leave before the new summer semester began and before the Hilltoppers team trip to Costa Rica next week.
On Monday, Stansbury announced that Robinson was suspended indefinitely for leaving campus. On Tuesday, the head coach released a statement announcing that Robinson was free to transfer.
Mitchell is a good kid, but the team will always be more important than one individual player," Stansbury said in a statement. "He needs to understand the value of structure and accountability in his life, and his return will be dependent upon requirements that will be handled internally.
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From a Western Kentucky fan posting in KU board
Has nothing to do with being homesick at all. Has everything to do with him getting bad advice from “handlers” and people trying to cash in on him. Mainly his Godfather and former WKU assistant Shammond Williams. His mother wants him at WKU and not to listen to those other people. But he has a lot of people in his ear.
He has not gotten along with his teammates at WKU because he hasn’t treated many of them with any respect. There is a whole lot more to this saga than what is being reported. The whole team has been better off since he went on “vacation” because he was quickly becoming a cancer in the locker room with his prima donna act.
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BeddieKU23 said:
From a Western Kentucky fan posting in KU board
Has nothing to do with being homesick at all. Has everything to do with him getting bad advice from “handlers” and people trying to cash in on him. Mainly his Godfather and former WKU assistant Shammond Williams. His mother wants him at WKU and not to listen to those other people. But he has a lot of people in his ear.
He has not gotten along with his teammates at WKU because he hasn’t treated many of them with any respect. There is a whole lot more to this saga than what is being reported. The whole team has been better off since he went on “vacation” because he was quickly becoming a cancer in the locker room with his prima donna act.
Obviously some sour grapes but otoh, this might be difficult to take on with the Lawsons already on board.
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Wonder if when all is said and done, Self will think back on his transfer laden teams as fondly as his homegrown teams. I wonder if coaching professionals would be more enjoyable than coaching transfers.
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jayballer54 said:
Well read where we picked up a couple more CB’S for Devon – -that’s my boy - -I know the CB’S are pretty much a mute point, - -well at least for the most part. - -Ayton is solid proof of that as he showed us 100% right up until the end. - -Anyways like I have said many times , Would be really sweet if we were able to land Grimes and Dotson both, add Williams that would be a pretty solid start for next year — -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Did some research. Here’s what led to the change in his CB.
*It’s too soon to draw a red line through Dotson’s name, but after appearing to gain ground on the Charlotte star this summer, it seems his recent research of the roster hasn’t been good for Maryland. The Terps have an entrenched starting point guard in Anthony Cowan, so they’d have to incorporate Dotson with him. Is that a concern?
“Yes, yes it is. I think that he had a pretty good season. They kind of moved Melo off the ball, so [there are] concerns about how they would use him,” Dotson said.
The younger Dotson visited Arizona this week and likely will visit Kansas and Florida before long. A decision might come soon thereafter so that he can claim his spot at whichever school he likes. So Maryland doesn’t have much time to allay their concerns.*
Sounds exactly how KU was recruited against the last few years with Mason/Graham still around in regards to elite PG’s. I also think the Dotson’s don’t have the relationship with Maryland that other schools have even with Wiggins in his ear. Florida is the main danger if the Arizona visit didn’t change things completely.
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FYI Bagley never made it to Arizona for his visit because they are out of scholarships.
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KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
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Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I’m sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
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BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I’m not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I’m sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I’d love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Sounds exactly how KU was recruited against the last few years with Mason/Graham still around in regards to elite PG’s. I also think the Dotson’s don’t have the relationship with Maryland that other schools have even with Wiggins in his ear. Florida is the main danger if the Arizona visit didn’t change things completely.
If PT is his only concern, he should pick Florida. It would make the most sense by far since KU has Moore on board already and really wants Grimes.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I’m not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
Yup seems KU kicked the tires but Mathis wants to go somewhere more to his level. I think the KU interest in Locke had something to do with that.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I’m sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I’d love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
Yeah he probably does include one of them just because that is what kids do to keep people interested. His list will look “boring” without Duke/UK boards thinking they still got him.
I don’t think he’s in any rush to commit and could wait til spring as I’ve mentioned. He keeps deflecting in interviews that KU is the favorite but reiterates KU is on him daily.
Arizona is going to continue selling its soul to land either of Dotson/Grimes. More on Dotson in my next post to your reply.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
KU out of it for Montez Mathis. Says Uconn, Rutgers, Virginia Tech his final 3
Yeah despite what he was saying I’m not sure he could have committed to KU. His final 3 kinda backs this up too.
Yup seems KU kicked the tires but Mathis wants to go somewhere more to his level. I think the KU interest in Locke had something to do with that.
Could be. I think Locke is better. Can’t blame top 100-ish kids that want to go somewhere they won’t get buried on the depth chart.
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I can see Dotson picking Florida if no competition for the PG spot is what he wants. He also has a good relationship with White and the assistants.
Sean Miller has apparently told Dotson that he’s switching to a 2 PG offense so that he can compete with what KU has been doing. Miller has become a lot like Calipari in that he’s just going to tell kids what they want to hear.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I can see Dotson picking Florida if no competition for the PG spot is what he wants. He also has a good relationship with White and the assistants.
Sean Miller has apparently told Dotson that he’s switching to a 2 PG offense so that he can compete with what KU has been doing. Miller has become a lot like Calipari in that he’s just going to tell kids what they want to hear.
I would imagine most coaches do that. But yeah Cal is notorious for it, no surprise Miller is the same way.
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BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes dropping his top 7 today.
I’m sure it will look like this: KU, Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona & Marquette.
Not that it really means anything but I’d love to see UK and Duke not be on it. Arizona is always worrisome though.
You got it all the ones you mentioned & Kentucky. The only school he dropped was Oklahoma. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Info dump from MS on the shiver. It’s VIP.
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BShark said:
Info dump from MS on the shiver. It’s VIP.
Honest opinion of it all. Nothing stood out that someone who follows recruiting didn’t already know.
There is no way all these guys are visiting KU that say they are likely to.
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Info dump from MS on the shiver. It’s VIP.
Honest opinion of it all. Nothing stood out that someone who follows recruiting didn’t already know.
There is no way all these guys are visiting KU that say they are likely to.
Pretty much agree. It definitely requires some reading between the lines and Slater’s input was quite good.
The one thing that surprised me is Langford.
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I do appreciate the work he put into the Bible. Gives everyone updates all in one thread instead of 10+.
But I think most fans want to know why particular recruits are leaning towards KU or not. The detail is missing in why? We all know which recruits Self and assistants were watching and for the most part nothing Matt reported was something you couldn’t find in interviews etc. I still think the actual value is missing from The Shiver. Matt may just never be the guy that gets first hand knowledge of what’s happening.
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Well continuation from yesterday, saw yet another pick for KU and Devon today - - Jerry Meyer made a prediction today, again I know it’s the CB and yet makes you wonder if these guys have picked up on something, looks like we are trending again for him shows now 90% for KU & 10 % for Florida.
You could probably do as well by tossing a penny and calling either heads or tails, and do as well but I mean you have to at least pay some kind of attention as this is these guys living, they are SURPOSE to have the inside poop, again your dealing with 17 & 18 yr old kids who change their mind at the drop of a hat - -just as quick as a light switch.
I’ve mentioned so many time even I can’t remember but sure would be nice if we got both - -Grimes & Dotson. Question is, would one or the other come if say like Grimes has already committed - -or Grimes come if Dotson has already committed? Or would they/could they play together? - - So if it is just the one - -do we take whichever one commits first?
Side note see ya it’s a distance away 2020 but the kid out of Newton - -Berry? - -looks like the next item coming out of Kansas. Looks like we are running through a little mini streak of some pretty decent talent. - - -Robinson-Earl, Harvey, Berry. I’m not complaining. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I think Dotson will commit first and Grimes could wait until spring. Meyer’s money was on Maryland after the spring visit but he’s now back to KU which can never be a bad thing. I’m glad there wasn’t a bunch of CB’s to Arizona after his visit this week.
Relationship, playing time, priority, have all been consistent for KU. Just have to get him here for his official visit and I think we get him
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I think I made two threads for Berry. He is exciting. Probably gonna be a legit 6’5’’ PG by the time he is a college FR. Gotta lock him up.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I think Dotson will commit first and Grimes could wait until spring. Meyer’s money was on Maryland after the spring visit but he’s now back to KU which can never be a bad thing. I’m glad there wasn’t a bunch of CB’s to Arizona after his visit this week.
Relationship, playing time, priority, have all been consistent for KU. Just have to get him here for his official visit and I think we get him
Great sign. Florida is probably the biggest threat but it seems like KU is extremely well positioned.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Matt may just never be the guy that gets first hand knowledge of what’s happening.
He is a douche and has no actual connection with the program. Other guys seem to have some sort of in with their program. I mean all you need to do is befriend even someone as lowly as a team manager. Slip him a 20 or buy him a beer for just a little bit of info. I know that my buddy has picked up probably a dozen guys who visited KU in the last 4 years without a single report of them being on campus. Or getting word of who may or may not be transferring. Or who coach gave a recruits number to and told them to hit them up. I know that Self had all of the guards texting Malik in his first recruitment. Probably half the reason he transferred here.
These are the tidbits Matt should be sharing…
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Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Matt may just never be the guy that gets first hand knowledge of what’s happening.
He is a douche and has no actual connection with the program. Other guys seem to have some sort of in with their program. I mean all you need to do is befriend even someone as lowly as a team manager. Slip him a 20 or buy him a beer for just a little bit of info. I know that my buddy has picked up probably a dozen guys who visited KU in the last 4 years without a single report of them being on campus. Or getting word of who may or may not be transferring. Or who coach gave a recruits number to and told them to hit them up. I know that Self had all of the guards texting Malik in his first recruitment. Probably half the reason he transferred here.
These are the tidbits Matt should be sharing…
Exactly. There is none of that, ever. He botched the Trae Young situation badly, the only recruitment he’s ever had a shade of connection to.
I’m a big Florida St football fan and the 247 guys on there are some of the best in the business. They have sources, they get first hand access to information and they go out and get information for their paying subscribers. Just generally looking at other places, its the same for those fan-bases as well.
The few of us that follow recruiting do a better job of sharing information then he does
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@BeddieKU23 Do we know, has he scheduled a visit t Ku yet? – Seems like I remember reading he was going to schedule. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer54 said:
@BeddieKU23 Do we know, has he scheduled a visit t Ku yet? – Seems like I remember reading he was going to schedule. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Nope, heard maybe end of August. Could be September. We’ll see what happens but so far he doesn’t have anything set up yet
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500 posts in this thread. That’s passion!
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@approxinfinity Isn’t this the third thread on this topic?
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@mayjay We’re trying for a new record.
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Well not sure if they are official OR in Official either way kind of looks like were not really involved/considered by Matthew Hurt anymore - - -if we ever were.
He has 4 visits set up - -Indiana - - -Louisville - - -Kentucky - -& UCLA and is working on visit with Duke & N Carolina - -boy you talk about dropping of a list. - - Might be though he is thinking about the possibility of Emmit Williams landing here and then KJ Lawson in 2019 plus good chance Of Robinson-Earl to much competition not sure but might be the reason - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 KU was involved with Hurt. JRE and Lawson are big priorities at the same position and both perceived as future Jayhawks. Looks like both sides have moved on.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/08/06/2018-point-guard-jalen-carey-names-final-six/
Carey’s final 6, KU is on it. Doesn’t mention KU as a school recruiting him the hardest. Seems clear that Self really would like Dotson and Grimes, if he could pick.
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BShark said:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/08/06/2018-point-guard-jalen-carey-names-final-six/
Carey’s final 6, KU is on it. Doesn’t mention KU as a school recruiting him the hardest. Seems clear that Self really would like Dotson and Grimes, if he could pick.
Zag’s has probably the least amount of cred in the business and is really East-Coast slanted in every article he runs. Not to say he isn’t right, the local schools are coming at him hard.
We kicked the tires pretty good and I’d love to have Carey but doesn’t look like that will happen. He’s a kid I will follow, I think he’s got NBA potential in a few years
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Grimes will Official for Late Night and hopefully come back for a game in November!
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@BeddieKU23 That’s great news I would have to feel from a KU vantage point right? - - Wouldn’t you think? - -I truly believe the way things are looking, the feel I’m getting if we can just get Grimes & Dotson both on Campus see and feel the environment I would have to really like our chances right? - -Especially late night, as we know the place is nuts - -recent recruits have all talked about how crazy the fans are - the environment - -how loud it gets.
I was reading off the Arizona board and there are posters there that feel Grimes is coming to KU to go along with Dotson hope that turns out right - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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The biggest disadvantage to him coming in for Late Night is the staff won’t be able to spend as much time with him as they would if he came on a different weekend. I’m sure they will prioritize him among the group that comes and Late Night figures to give him plenty of opportunity to get a feel for how crazy it gets etc. Late Night is hit or miss with some. Hopefully it pays off.
If he officials and then visits for a game the following month that could be a telling sign. I don’t get the sense from any of his interviews that he is in a rush to decide and I can see him not signing in November and waiting until the spring. Where will KU’s visit fall in his other visit plans? 1st?Last Visit? etc.
I think Dotson will decide before him and if Dotson jumps on board first we could become more of an option, or less of an option if he feels the back-court is too crowded. I think Self has done a great job selling both of them on playing time and the type of offense where both can co-exist. Grimes is capable of running the PG position but his size leans more to playing the off-guard position (Newman’s current place).
I’m excited that KU is in a really good position with 2 very talented guards. Usually KU is trying to make up ground but in this case I think we have had an edge at every step of the way for both. Landing 1 is a must, 2 is putting next years squad with a leg up on the Big-12 yet again
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jayballer54 said:
I was reading off the Arizona board and there are posters there that feel Grimes is coming to KU to go along with Dotson hope that turns out right - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Just about everyone thinks Grimes will end up at KU. Even some UK people were not wanting Cal to bother. It would be a huge upset if he didn’t pick KU. That said…we saw a case of that last year and no one knows 100% what is going on behind the scenes.
It’s possible that his unofficial game visit will be as a commit.
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The best part about Grimes and Dotson is neither likely projects as OAD but both are still very good. Those are the kinds of players you really want to prioritize imo.
