KU vs Bill Self's March Kryptonite Sunday at 4:15



  • Honestly, I’m a little worried about Michigan State after seeing how they played. Yes, Miami really struggled to score as many of us already knew and MSU is young, but they were very alert and active from the midway point of the 1st half to the end. This game has 1st weekend upset written all over it. For some reason, Self always struggles against Izzo, who seems to be one of the best at getting his teams primed for a deep run, ala 2015. Just hoping our guys can squeeze this one out and move on to KC. Its going to be a battle.



  • @HawkChamp i’m slightly worried also but this group knows how to get up for big games. I’m really hoping that we can pull this out and that ISU holds up their end. KC will be on fire if that matchup comes to fruition.



  • @HawkChamp

    In past games against MSU, the teams seemed to give the game away after being in control. This team does not give away close games, this team wins close games. KU by double digits.



  • Let’s take care of Michigan State first before we start looking ahead to every rounds



  • @HawkChamp We’ll win a close game.



  • @blackmild33 Hear hear.



  • Don’t worry, be happy. They got this. I see it as a positive that they were matched up against such a foe in the second round. The Spartans will have all of these guys’ attention.



  • I am concerned about playing MSU but these are the kind of teams you have to beat on the way to a Final 4. The only easy game is out of the way. Everything from here on will be a fight. I expect a great game with KU advancing to Kansas City.



  • Funny to me almost. Doesn’t it seem like it’s already an elite 8 matchup? Just throw in Izzo and you don’t really have to look at numbers or stats or metrics. Ppl saying we got a nice tourney path. Idk if it is or not. But this game first… Izzo, and hopefully after that you play another that feels like it should be an E8 game vs either the Big10 regular season champ or the Big12 tourney champ.



  • MSU, beware! This is the year we took our anti-Kryptonite pills. Watch the tapes of last night and behold what is coming your way.



  • I was not worried about UNI, I was not scared of playing Stanford, VCU was an afterthought, I was not really worried about Michigan, and I really thought we’d beat Villanova. I am worried about MSU because of Izzo and his ability to win games in the tourney. This a very dangerous game. I very much wanted Miami instead.



  • Against MSt, Mason will be Mason; count on 20. Josh is flat out dialed-in on offense and defense. He is ready to compete. Devonte is playing his best defense of the year. Devonte will give the young MSt guards fits. Bridges, Langford and Ward at forward are all freshmen and just might be a little overwhelmed playing us. I’m encouraged by everyone’s game Friday. Let’s cruise to KC guys. RCJH

    Any matchups you are worried about? I didn’t get to watch much of MSt’s game Friday. Anyone else surprised the refs are flat out letting the players play? It reminds me of the Big 10 about 10 years ago.



  • @stoptheflop The matchup I am most worried about? Izzo vs. Self. History tells us we should be worried. We’re better, we have more talent, we have more experience. What makes me most optimistic is Self’s approach to offense this season. I haven’t seen any “puckering” – see Germany in the WBB finals after we had played much differently in the other games of the tourney. Self is much different now, he’s embraced this style. Let’s hope we don’t see puckering.



  • Josh will have his best game yet. Talk about motivated- we’re going to play our best game of the season. We finally saw this lazy, talented team finally focus last game. Devonte had 3 steals in a row. When he plays like that, we are simply a different team. A much better team. Josh will have bushelfuls of motivation to play exceptionally well against the team he left at the altar. They’ll be motivated, too, Our best > their best.



  • worry all you want, you won’t be after the game is over and this team is headed back to KC



  • @HighEliteMajor said:

    @stoptheflop The matchup I am most worried about? Izzo vs. Self. History tells us we should be worried. We’re better, we have more talent, we have more experience. What makes me most optimistic is Self’s approach to offense this season. I haven’t seen any “puckering” – see Germany in the WBB finals after we had played much differently in the other games of the tourney. Self is much different now, he’s embraced this style. Let’s hope we don’t see puckering.

    Agree this game has me very nervous as well and I really hope we don’t see the pucker/choke out. If the team loses while playing well but MSU is lights out, well that’s just a lot better than a close loss where KU is like 4-23 from three.



  • @BShark MSU was lights out against Miami. They haven’t shown the ability to string consecutive games together this year though.



  • They will certainly be up for this game. Izzo seems confident.



  • @BShark it doesn’t matter what they did during the season. Teams often play much different during the tourney. We will get their best shot



  • @HawkChamp

    Not saying KU will blow them out in fact I bet it will be close but there is a reason they have 14 losses. Izzo has just as many early tournament exits as Self so it’s not like he is even the great tournament wizard some make him out to be. I’m still nervous about the game though.



  • A lot of blah in this thread





  • @JayHawkFanToo 8-point favorites. I’d take that.



  • I think Nova losing hopefully helps us remain focused on our current game and not on a potential ISU match up in KC. One thing I loved from the UC Davis game was I never really felt we took possessions off til the last 5 minutes with a 40 point lead. All year we have let our foot off the gas with a double digit lead. Now some of it is probably the level of team that we played but getting after it for 40 minutes is what I’m all about. Go hard fellas, there is no tomorrow.



  • This team is so well rested and nasty it doesn’t matter who the opposing coach is.

    That little Italian meatball is going to be fuming on the sidelines.



  • @BeddieKU23 said:

    A lot of blah in this thread

    I’m always nervous/negative. :frowning:



  • @BShark and they have additional motivation since JJ “spurned” them

    Hoping none of that matters though



  • @kjayhawks you are spot on.



  • The meetings with the media were great. Izzo and Self respect the crap out of each other. Izzo said Jackson had the guts to call him personally to tell him he chose KU, most recruits do not do that. Jackson mentioned that he chose KU in part because he felt Self cared about him as a person. All around lots of really good things said.



  • @BShark where did u see those?







  • @HighEliteMajor I think the counter to that history of Billy getting routinely beat by Tommy, is that Self is out of his old box now. We arent designed like an old-school B1G team, which is Self’s origins at Illini, and that’s what he built at KU, but Izzo knows that blueprint, helped teach it to Self (the hard way). But I think the last time Frank faced MichSt, KU won. And this is Frank’s best team, maybe a bit more dynamic than last year’s due to 1 Josh Jackson.

    I’m very wary of MichSt, as they have a master, HOF coach. We’ll see what happens on the hardwood. Each coach knows his roster, and the mgmt thereof. Should be a heck of a chessmatch. But doesnt Josh like to play pick-up games of chess?



  • Also, we’ve seen SEVERAL sets of Bill Self players that play up or down to the level of the competition. Maybe we disrespect some no-name teams like VCU, UNI, Bradley, Bucknell…but we almost always are stoked with our A-game vs “name” opponents, which definitely includes MichState.

    In my biased world, KU’s A-game beats this particular MichState’s A-game. Lets see…



  • @ralster said:

    KU’s A-game beats this particular MichState’s A-game.

    Sure. But what’s the answer to Self’s big question: “How do you win when the shots aren’t falling?”

    Defense, rebounding, 50/50 balls, toughness?

    Frank will drive like a maniac and Josh will be all over the floor - oh and Lucas will play at a level that 18 months ago we didn’t imagine and that we now take for granted.

    I’m more worried about the refs than about MSU…


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