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@BShark cool. I grew up in Carbondale just south of Topeka live there for like the first 23 yrs of my life -would love to get back out there… - Hadn’t really been up on the Leech kid either, maybe a good year for us. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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He is really good. I hope we don’t get punked by Travis freaking Ford AGAIN. Dude is Self’s kryptonite, always beats him for recruits…
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Ford might be out of a job again. such a great year at St Louis…10-19, 61 points a game. Sounds about right!
Edit: then again I just saw he’s got 3 transfers sitting out that will turn things around next season. We need him to tank next year so that Gordon rethinks what he did.
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@JayHawkFanToo What if Self remains committed to the 4 out, 1 in we see this season (though personnel-wise it doesn’t seem as likely)? Or what if Mr. Preston appears to be a big hurdle to overcome at the 4? Lots of moving parts there.
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I view the entire discussion of 4out-1in and 3out-2in as one of semantics.
In our 4out-1in we have 6’8" Josh at the 4. We could also run a 3out-2in with Dwight at the 4 and he is about the same height. The only real difference is handles at the 4. We can also say that the 4 must have range from trey. But in reality, Josh doesn’t completely have range from trey yet.
Billy Preston has very solid handles and a trey for a big man, but he is definitely classified as a post player, not a guard. So do we call it a 4out-1in or a 3out-2in when Billy is at the 4?
I think the key moving forward is to always recruit in at least one big with good handles and potential for trey. If we do that we still have the size to rebound while having most of the advantages of the 4out.
I don’t see where we draw the line in the sand on what qualifies as 4out-1in or 3out-2in.
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What if Self doesn’t want Bragg back?
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He does. Who would he be replaced with at this stage? KU already has enough open scholarships they are trying to fill to be worried about pushing Bragg out the door imho.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Ford might be out of a job again. such a great year at St Louis…10-19, 61 points a game. Sounds about right!
Edit: then again I just saw he’s got 3 transfers sitting out that will turn things around next season. We need him to tank next year so that Gordon rethinks what he did.
It’s Ford, they will still suck next year. Baffles me that he continues to get recruits? What did he win with Nash and Smart?
@HighEliteMajor said:
@JayHawkFanToo What if Self remains committed to the 4 out, 1 in we see this season (though personnel-wise it doesn’t seem as likely)? Or what if Mr. Preston appears to be a big hurdle to overcome at the 4? Lots of moving parts there.
I think the roster will dictate it. If he has enough good bigs, then we see a return to two true posts on the floor.
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Possible Bill Self spring time miracle: Georgetown fires their coach and Tremont Waters is available again.
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Jairus Hamilton has officially been offered today.
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@BShark trouble
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@drgnslayr If we’re 3/2, then we’d see the traditional high/low. We’ve abandoned the high/low. With a true 4/5, I bet it returns.
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Preston and Bragg are both good fits for the 4 in it imo.
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@BShark That would be ok, but that wouldn’t help us for next season as Waters would have to sit out his transfer year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@BShark I’m STILL not totally convinced Preston will ever put a KU uniform on. - -Hope I’m wrong. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 said:
@BShark That would be ok, but that wouldn’t help us for next season as Waters would have to sit out his transfer year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
No. He would be a decommit not a transfer. Like Tyshawn Taylor. Or like Mason and Graham as well actually.
@jayballer54 said:
@BShark I’m STILL not totally convinced Preston will ever put a KU uniform on. - -Hope I’m wrong. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Don’t worry about it. Feel there would be a lot more smoke. I know where he played before, but he can easily put the work in at Oak Hill and make up credits.
Tfwiw but a Duke insider has said that KU is about to be officially OUT for Duval. Down to Duke and Zona and that Duke is ahead “by a mile”. On the Duke 247 board.
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Available personnel will dictate how he rolls next season. While the 4-1 has been successful so far, Coach Self has played the 3-2 often enough…and an occasional zone…to surprise opponents.
Bragg was supposed to have a good touch out to the 3 point line and be a potential stretch 4, but I have not seen any of that so far. At this point and absent any big surprises I just don’t see Bragg leaving.
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Saw that. Pressure is on to keep Graham
And a side note on Preston; listening to that last Jerry Meyer podcast Jerry broke it down pretty well on the question about Preston. He said yes there is concern especially from where he went to school before. Oak Hill is the place to go if you want to clean up your academics. He basically made it seem like Oak Hill works miracles and is well versed in figuring out how to help these kids get eligible. Not earth shattering news but he seemed to have some re-assuring information to provide about another kid he knew that was in a similar situation and used Oak Hill to clean up his act. If Preston makes it to campus, we will have Oak Hill to thank
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Bragg? I would imagine that the athletic dept. is fully engaged in researching CB’s psychological profile, attitude, and off-court activities and inclinations. I think he yet could be a contributor if he can get his head together and in the game. If his behavior is iffy I would send him packing.
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@BShark I realize that we really are wishing hard to even think Duval would commit here but - -ALL I’m going to ask on this about is - -just because this so called Duke insider says that KU is about to be officially out, so that makes it Gospel.Because this guy is a know all do all I get it right? lmao, now I’m not trying to give you hell I fully understand - it’s more on the Duke insiders part I am ravin about – what the hell does he know, just because it is on the Duke 247 board which is but nothing but a bunch of Duke homers just like any other board roflmao – these guys kill me. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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God I hope not.
It will be hard to recruit guards again, and I can’t blame them for going elsewhere.
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@jayballer54 for the last couple of weeks you’ve been saying that we all know Duvall is going to Duke. So why ? It now?
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It’s not like high profile guards are lining up right now. A lot of misses in this class. The incoming players for the class as things stand are two transfers and a kid that was 100% to KU if KU wanted due to personal relationships (and to the credit of the staff they took him early). Looks to change in 18 and 19 (we will see) but I tend to believe KU will be generally fine recruiting as long as Self is here.
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@Ralph you are absolutely correct - -still think he is, & IF you’ve been following along you can see that I’m not by myself lol. but I find it funny that because A Duke insider says it so , then it’s Gospel - -I NEVER said what I was saying was Gospel - but thanks for noticing, I’m not saying he is coming here not by any means, But then again how does this guy know that KU is out? - I’ll continue to say it IS Duke, but hey if you find anything to the contrary be sure and shout out to me. – All I am pointing out is or wanting to know is - -where is this Duke insider is getting his solid recruiting report - what source - -let us all see it, so we can OFFICALLY count him out, officially say its over for him. - Agaiin I will continue to say like many many others that IS where he is going but we have nothing solid to prove that - so where is this guys solid proof that he is? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY - -you gotta love it
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That post sounds more negative than I meant I think. I just don’t think Self going back to running some high low will hurt that much.
Anyway, some news: Jerrance will be checking in on Matt Hurt tonight. Good to see we are still recruiting him with some vigor.
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It is just my opinion, but I think the hi/lo is dead as a standard offense. It is best used as a gimmick or a add-on to something else… or just abandoned all together.
Running 40 minutes of hi/lo will not keep us on the path we are on now. For example, I seriously doubt Josh would have come to Kansas to play the hi/lo.
The last few years we have gone from a hybrid hi/lo to a complete abandonment of it.
It is an offense that needs to move aside for the current times we live in. The current times are around opening up the trey line. Driving the ball in a motion offense and finishing at the rim or feeding for an open trey. That is the future of offense in the NBA and D1.
And where are all of these big men who bring back-to-the-basket skills with them to Kansas?
The 4out-1in still maintains scoring potential in the post, actually better since it is clogged with one less defensive big. Heck, we don’t have anyone now that can score with their back to the basket.
I believe the hi/lo did us well back in the days. Now time has moved on, and so must our offensive strategy. It is important to keep the post mostly open so our guards can drive. In our traditional hi/lo we stuffed the post with 4 players, camping in the post. Our 2 bigs and our opponent’s 2 bigs. Not exactly good spacing for 3 guards to take it to the rim.
Remember back when we ran true hi/lo. We pretty much limited guards driving to one guard only. And by the end of the year, we just perched 3 guards on the trey line and they threw the ball back and fourth quickly hoping a seam opened up.
We can’t pull that kind of stunt now and continue to recruit high recruits (at any position).
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Can’t really disagree. I love the offense as it is currently constructed.
What I was trying to get at earlier is that at this point I feel Self is pretty good at letting the roster dictate the situation. If the roster ends up being Mystery non-elite PG/Newman/Garrett/Vick/Cunliffe as the guards and Bragg/Preston/Coleby/Doke and the 9 guys that get run, I bet we see 3 guards 2 posts the majority of next season. One of the two posts on the floor will likely be pretty skilled though in Preston or Bragg. This assume Bragg gets it together and improves in the off season.
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An exact quote for you re Duval
“He’s not going to Baylor. He’s not going to Kansas either.”
From that Duke writer.
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Sorry… I reread my last post and didn’t mean to be so snarky. Guess it shows how much I desire us to stay with a motion offense.
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No worries. It was frustrating to watch the old Self offense when it plodded and clogged.
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After experiencing 4 excellent years with Frank… I’m looking for a PG who has a background as a Navy SEAL or Elite Marine. It wouldn’t hurt if he was in the French Foreign Legion either.
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https://twitter.com/KUTheShiver/status/836702680567382016
Could loop that all day. Sooooo nasty.
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I can’t claim to know what Devonte has indicated. But I imagine he has declared to testing the waters this spring, as well he should.
Bill’s plea is for Devonte if he sits on the fence after checking out his options. I’m certain if he does test the waters he will have some temptation to go. That doesn’t mean he goes.
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Poster on the phog says KU has called Hutch CC about Shakar Juiston. Could you imagine the cyclone salt if we come in and swoop him away?
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@BShark said:
https://twitter.com/KUTheShiver/status/836702680567382016
Could loop that all day. Sooooo nasty.
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Hurt dropped 47 tonight with KU watching.
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@BShark His play reminds me of Brannen Green
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@truehawk93 no D?
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@Crimsonorblue22 He is a little heavy on O and didn’t see much D in this vid
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Referring to Hurt?
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Interesting, they would be salty as well as Seton Hall and others that have been in on him longer. He’s skilled, can score on the block and rebound. Small though, Jamari’s size…
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Hurt is a good one. The Big-10 will be tough to beat for him but at least KU has really put in the leg work early.
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Well looks like the Grimes to reclassify thing is dead…
I’ve got a friend that knows his AAU coach pretty well. I asked about reclassification and the response was “no chance”.
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As usual Shay is clueless. Saw that post from Ryan as well. Also said Hamilton isn’t leaving NC.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Hurt is a good one. The Big-10 will be tough to beat for him but at least KU has really put in the leg work early.
Well, we have done work in Minnesota before.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Interesting, they would be salty as well as Seton Hall and others that have been in on him longer. He’s skilled, can score on the block and rebound. Small though, Jamari’s size…
I honestly think it would be a bad decision for the kid. KU likely has 5 post players already on the roster, whereas ISU has a black hole void for post minutes.
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Self is going down to Hutch today. Guess we will find out how serious KU’s interest is pretty quickly.
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I’ve heard though, that Self really likes athletic 6’7’’ power forwards. Heard he will play them over 5 stars… Just a rumour though.
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I’d take him if he looks at the KU offer seriously.
With Hamilton, I don’t know how anyone can claim that will be the case this early. His coach is a die-hard KU fan and he’ll run for a team that Frank Mason was on. I do think our chances with him are much better then being adverstised
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KU also had no chance at Doke according to Ryan soooooooo. And I get it, things change and he is just passing on info. But that’s the point, things change. KU can at the very least offer and position themselves to be involved.
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Exactly, our KU insiders have been wrong way too much lately to take much from them in their claims. The Grimes stuff I can believe
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I recall our “failure” to land Doke. I was never convinced and felt we had him all along.
But to be fair to the recruit people, sometimes players do change their minds at the last second.
