Tonight's game
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Thanks!
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How many games do we need to win to still be in the tourney?
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Am I missing something , because Hanni said still a lot of talent on this team?---- -Where ?-- doesn’t take talent to keep getting your ass made look like a bunch JV boys
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I wish the post game show was still on in Lawrence on local TV. I’d love to hear an explanation.
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Hanni is a HOMER , what do you think he’s gonna say they feed his family with that kush job he has
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I think there’s talent. But the pieces have not meshed. I feel like Self is still waiting on DeJuan to transform into the locker room leader a la Sr Mario or Sr Sherron Collins or Sr Frank Mason or Sr Davonte Graham…
But he’s not that kind of personality. He’s not taking over the locker room. While they wait for someone to call the team meeting and make that impassioned speech and pull the pieces together, the team is heading off the cliff.
For whatever reason… the alpha is absent on this team. And at this point in the season, if you haven’t found your source of energy in the locker room, your team is not going to have one.
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80 straight weeks only behind Houston in rankings-- -GONE. - — – only the 2nd time in 312 weeks fallen out of the rankings------GONE
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Sir they’re past that they’ve hit the ground and they’re crawling from the wreckage
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@nuleafjhawk said in Tonight's game:
@dylans I quit drinking a long time ago, but watching these guys feels just like a hangover. A bad hangover.
I just started this season.
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@bskeet Some talent yes, say top 25 and sweet 16 max - yeah
But in reality it’s horribly skilled players and no one respects d2 on the squad especially the new guys. They hear all this talk of how great he is then watch him get his lunch eaten nightly……throw that in with worthless Hunter and kj who can clap his hands real hard for dunks but when it comes to late game free throws blockouts he forgets to actually go rebound the ball
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@cajhwk Talent next year will be better but everything else you listed won’t
Time for Self to retire he’s not winning anything and he’s taken us to new lows instead of new heights
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@DanR said in Tonight's game:
@approxinfinity He’s international, so no NIL. Might as well move on and make some $$
He played 3 years of high school in Indiana, so he’s probably a permanent resident by now. Reportedly, his NIL deal is worth $530K this year.
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Watch this and tell me it looks like our offense…Self is cooked and he’s underachieved (crazy to say with two titles)
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Ive seen my share of authoritarian mindfuckery by coaches imposing their egos on kids from a position of power in travel sports. Now that poor coaches are armed with analytics, they will use the eye test when it suits them and analytics when it suits them, to back into a preordained conclusion while attempting to invalidate opposition and overwhelm it into submission.
Good coaches, on the other hand, strip away the how and get to the why that motivates everyone and validate it, and build from there. They do not lose the team. The team grants them authority because they earn it.
Im not seeing much of this happening the last 3 years at Kansas.
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One minute and thirty seconds.
That’s all the time it took for us to be out of the game tonight.
Hard to believe we can this bad.
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Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him
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@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:
Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him
It’s looking like 2 straight seasons of Self mailing it in after it looks like the team doesn’t have it. Pretty embarrassing given his wage.
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Man. I don’t know whether to admire those of you who watched the whole horror show last night or mock you. Are you great, die hard fans who never give up hope? Or just twisted sickos who like watching train wrecks?
I quit watching the 2022 NC game when we were behind 15 at halftime. I shouldn’t have, but I did. That was a different team. Capable of making a comeback. This team is not. We get down 15 now, it’s turn out the lights, the party’s over.
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@rcjhdraft said in Tonight's game:
@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:
Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him
It’s looking like 2 straight seasons of Self mailing it in after it looks like the team doesn’t have it. Pretty embarrassing given his wage.
What about the players “wage”? GTFO! Self at least has earned his over YEARS of work and success. He’s proven he cares. These kids have proven NOTHING.
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@BigBad said in Tonight's game:
@rcjhdraft said in Tonight's game:
@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:
Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him
It’s looking like 2 straight seasons of Self mailing it in after it looks like the team doesn’t have it. Pretty embarrassing given his wage.
What about the players “wage”? GTFO! Self at least has earned his over YEARS of work and success. He’s proven he cares. These kids have proven NOTHING.
Not sure why we can’t maintain some sort of standard for him. Love him for his legendary tenure, but these last few seasons have been a disaster and he’s the main architect for this roster with a top 5 NIL budget in the sport. He said he was thinking about the roster for this season for the majority of last season and ended up putting out the same main parts and added complimentary transfers versus making an actual change and doubling down on archaic basketball principles.
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This is a coach who built the program around developing 3 and 4-year guys and mixing in stars. He’s done this for TWENTY years. The 3 and 4 year guys were pushed hard and the strong survived and then thrived. So now we are expecting him to change and get guys turned around in 6 months? Not going to happen. You can call that “archaic” if you want that’s fine. Or you can get into playing shooters over bigs. None of that matters. What matters is the game is now about mercenaries and you need AAU style coaches. 1-2-3 Family chants are an absolute joke. 100% of these kids would bail on their “family” for a bigger payday.
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dah. ignore me. testing something. need to take the board down this offseason for real and upgrade it. want to bring drag and drop pictures back.
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Et tu brute? I’m sure those that act like these posters would make great friends that would be by your side in the thick and thin.
Coach K pre-season #1 across 8 years - one national championship. UNC has 10 or more losses 10 of the last 13 years. UConn has double digit losses 10 of the last 16 years with two years below .500. Kentucky has double digit losses 6 of the last 13 years. Kansas has double digit losses in 3 of the last 25 years.
But I guess those with pitchforks are going by the eye test on a two year sample size?
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@dylans Not to mention Indiana
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@dylans I mean, saying KU has 3 double digit loss seasons in the last 25 years is clearly warping the situation right? “This used car has run great 22 of the last 25 years!”
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@approxinfinity KUs three double digit loss seasons (so far in the last twenty five years!!!) are last year, 7 years ago, and 12 years ago. So no it’s not cherry picking to include all of Bill’s career and a bit of Roy’s to get to a quarter century of sustained success. If I go back further it gets a bit darker only highlighting how good off all the newcomers to KU basketball, that have only known Bill Self as the coach, have had it.
Bill Self 3/22 years with double digit losses. (One more on the way)
Roy Williams 5/15 years with double digit losses.
Larry Brown 3/5 years with double digit losses.
Ted Owens 8/19 years with double digit losses. Three years below .500
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@BigBad Self having zero accountability for this roster is laughable. We have 3 or 4 years guy…… they SUCK! We gave away 2 good recruits to get Hunt that would be 3 year players right now and are better than Hunt/KJ most nights. Hunt was lazy as hell last year but still brought back. AJ Storr is on is 3rd school in as many years and a known to half ass it. Self wanted him and he’s here.
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@kjayhawks said in Tonight's game:
@BigBad Self having zero accountability for this roster is laughable. We have 3 or 4 years guy…… they SUCK! We gave away 2 good recruits to get Hunt that would be 3 year players right now and are better than Hunt/KJ most nights. Hunt was lazy as hell last year but still brought back. AJ Storr is on is 3rd school in as many years and a known to half ass it. Self wanted him and he’s here.
“ZERO accountability”
What do you want? Him to be fired today? Send back his salary? What exactly? You don’t think the guy is embarrassed? He’s insanely competitive but all of his characteristics that make him a great coach don’t fit the transfer portal and soft kids era.
I’m not naive and understand the end is near. However, I believe he deserves more respect then what some people are showing.
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I think the issue is more with conflicting opinions in our echo chamber. We want other people to hold Bill more accountable. Imo.
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@dylans ah my bad man! I just assumed it was the last 3 seasons. Let me go back and look.
I think my point is the last 3 points have been a rapid and sustained drop
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@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:
Self mailed in the game starting 3 bigs. That was a new low for him
Was a blatant middle finger to the fan base. Starting 3 centers and a non scoring threat PG.
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I’m still lost on 3 things still, they did BYU film prep, scouting and game preparation and came to the conclusion that starting 3 Bigs against a team that shoots a high % of 3’s and spaces the floor schematically was the best matchup to win this game. That seriously cannot be the outcome, but it literally happened.
I don’t believe the coaches put the players in the best position to win the game last night. The players quit as well for the most part. That level of play is not acceptable at any College Program, but we witnessed what felt like Rock Bottom.
We’ve seen poor play that leads to blowout losses. This was far beyond any of those kinds of games. You could see the turmoil in body language and reactions to plays. It was like the entire team was given a half speed pill before. There is actually a serious problem going on within this team.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:
I’m still lost on 3 things still, they did BYU film prep, scouting and game preparation and came to the conclusion that starting 3 bigs against a team that shoots a high % of 3’s and spaces the floor schematically was the best matchup to win this game. That seriously cannot be the outcome but it literally happened.
I don’t believe the coaches put the players in the best position to win the game last night. The players quit as well for the most part. That level of play is not acceptable at any College Program but we witnessed what felt like Rock Bottom.
Yes anyone with basketball knowledge can see we aren’t running correct line ups to succeed, our game plans are bad. Yes the players do some of the blame but the head guy that wanted them here and preps them deserves more
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Kenpom dropped KU 7 spots and offense went down 14 more spots to the #59 ranked offense. Still #6 defense (only 1 place down after giving up 91).
The Analytics are probably off on both ends tbh
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It would be nice if Self would pick his 7 guys and just run with them the rest of the year. The rest can sow dissent from the bench, instead of sabotaging the team unwittingly thru sloppy play. I just don’t think there are 7 “KU” guys on the roster.
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I agree, I would simply start with benching Hunter and seeing where the next 4-5 games go.
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We could play even with their 3rd-string lineup.
It looks now like every game dips lower. If this keeps up we lay eggs the remaining games and Self declines an invitation to the NIT. At this point, I’d hope he declines an invite to March Madness. We might have the worst loss in tournament history.
It should appear clear to everyone this is more than a few bad players. Heck, Juan and KJ played big roles on our championship team.
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@dylans said in Tonight's game:
@approxinfinity KUs three double digit loss seasons (so far in the last twenty five years!!!) are last year, 7 years ago, and 12 years ago. So no it’s not cherry picking to include all of Bill’s career and a bit of Roy’s to get to a quarter century of sustained success. If I go back further it get a bit darker only highlighting how good off all these newcomers to KU basketball that have only known Bill Self as the coach have had it.
Bill Self 3/22 years with double digit losses. (One more on the way)
Roy Williams 5/15 years with double digit losses.
Larry Brown 3/5 years with double digit losses.
Ted Owens 8/19 years with double digit losses. Three years below .500
I think this is really helpful for perspective.
The pit that I’m feeling is that it feels like the blow-out wins have become fewer, the 1-2 possession victories have increased in frequency, and the number of AND margin of defeats have grown. So it’s the sense of a trend that’s getting me.
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@BeddieKU23 said in Tonight's game:
I agree, I would simply start with benching Hunter and seeing where the next 4-5 games go.
If I’m Bill Self, this is without knowing what the legal terms are of the NIL. I’m kicking Hunt and Storr off the team as soon as we get back. Clear out your lockers and get the hell outta here. We have 7 guys that care and can play Start Juan, Shak, Zeke, KJ and Flory. Learn some defense and muddy up the games over the next few weeks and tell Rylen he is on Americas shortest leash. Use Diggy and Rylen off the bench and Justin Cross to use if need be for blows for KJ and Flory while Zack is out. You can also run 4 guards most of the time.
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@kjayhawks i think we are at a point where everyone is shook and has their hands dirty. How do you decide to punt AJ but not Rylen? It doesnt seem to be by attitude but by performance. I dont think we can do that.
Bill needs to play the right guys, and figure out how to look up into a 7’2 paul bunyanesque ax murderers eyes and convince him that becoming college basketballs most expensive practice player can be a positive experience for everyone.
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I like Bill’s suggestion during his press conference ,let’s just go home and get away from each other and go get on your mother’s milk for a while and then come back in a Kumbaya circle
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You can’t enjoy the highs, if you aren’t hurt by the lows too. Welcome to the bipolar life of a normal basketball fan. The drug of Bill Self’s dominance has worn off this year. How will we handle the withdrawal?!? Sports sobriety, Ugg. Curl up in the fetal position and cry? Full body spasms as it works its way thru our system? Uncontrollable sweating and Tourette’s like swearing when watching a ball game.
Well, I’ll be damned if the hopium doesn’t have me hooked for at least another year…
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Ooga-Chaka Ooga-Ooga
Ooga-Chaka Ooga-Ooga
I can’t stop this feeling
Deep inside of me
Bill, you just don’t realize
What you do to me
When you hold players
In your arms so tight
I just want to know
That everything’s alright
I’m hooked on a feeling
I’m high on believing
That you will set us free.
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Lol
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@dylans hopium! Lol, good stuff
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@approxinfinity I think Griffen is much more engaged most of the time
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Ok look it’s easy to blame Coach Self , nothing to it & yes he IS – - ( part )OF the problem I think Most- -not all , but MOST people acknowledge that, BUT to imply from some here to say that Coach is the ( Majority ) part of this problem is just Wrong, nothing but Wrong , no other way simpler bottom that’s jest not true/WRONG
Coach Self can work these guys to death/ practicing on these glaring screw ups all day all night. During the game he can draw up the plays he want’s run-- he can diagram defensive schemes he wants run- offensive schemes he wants run -but at the end of the day it’s THE PLAYERS Themselves that have to EXECUTE these things, they have to accept responsibility, Coach can draw them up in the Locker room or timeout but thes kids that are now getting paid and paid well bottom line they have to work it out and Execute What Coach drew up/talked about
Sitting Screens-- - Getting pick & roll done right - -Dribbling the dam ball without dribbling it of your own foot or leg time after time after time. You have to a least try and defend instead of worry when we do get the ball wondering how fast I can jack up my shot. -Carrying through on what he want sis up to the Players to do NOT THE COACH, he can’t do it for you
We have people here bitching about well he isn’t giving this guy any minutes and or that guy any minutes— How when Coach gives them those minutes they get in-- sure enough they either throw some ridiculous pass-- or shot – or play the classic Ole defense. Then people bitch he plays favorites and yanks them right out, saying he just keeps playing these ame three
Not sure how close your watching the game but I sure see Dickinson- - KJ- & Juan all getting pulled a lot faster now then they was-- they screw up - -they come out, that’s Coach’s frustration- -The biggest one’s just playing so bad Dickinson & Storr- -You got Dickinson last night perfect examp;e He FINALY makes a three so all of a sudden he comes down and jacks up like three/four more like all of a sudden he is Steph Curry. In this game this was way to fast paced for him, this is a game where Flory should of been playing more and Dickinson backing hem-- lot more athletic faster, --Storr ? - -Storr ?- -nothing left to say about him
Yes for sure these guys getting paid now , and some paid really well - -no different then you and me in our regular 40 hour week job ew had to be accountable for things - we screwed something up - --w had to take responsibility for it & take the heat. - These kids are no different, no way do they get a pass.- - They are going to learn - - It’s a cold hard world out there and if they don’t get their crap together it is going to chew them up and spit them out period The cuddling time is over, they need to stand up and act like they got a pair
Gonna be real interesting how much of the backing they have at the Phog Saturday- won’t take much to start hear some booing trickle out if they play like dog crap- - AGAIN – so yes the players play a huge part and have to take responsibility not all Coach
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@SlimShaddy54 this sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy, of course they play poorly if they lack confidence, motivation and cohesion
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There is no lineup that fixes this. The spirit of this team is broken. I don’t think it’s fair to blast a few players placing blame.
What can we expect moving forward? With my limited experience of seeing teams broken at this level I’d say expect the unexpected. But in this case, I’m not expecting these guys to have the ability to string together 40 consecutive minutes of execution. I expect everything to be very stiff and laborious.
I previously said there should be a performance clause in their NIL contracts. I guess indirectly this exists already because most, or all, their NIL values have dropped and they continue making new deals.
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@drgnslayr said in Tonight's game:
We could play even with their 3rd-string lineup.
It looks now like every game dips lower. If this keeps up we lay eggs the remaining games and Self declines an invitation to the NIT. At this point, I’d hope he declines an invite to March Madness. We might have the worst loss in tournament history.
It should appear clear to everyone this is more than a few bad players. Heck, Juan and KJ played big roles on our championship team.
The worst loss in NCAAT history clearly belongs to Marquette on the biggest stage when we were beating them by 40 points, doubling their point total throughout almost all of the 2nd half. They had a dude named Duane Wade so they weren’t chumps!
