Cougar chat
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@kjayhawks said in Cougar chat:
@FarmerJayhawk can it get any worse? Like I said we disposing 40 year records here
Also, our worst season in 20 seasons under Self is going to result in a 3 or 4 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
Since Self has been hired here, this year will likely be only our third 10+ loss season under Self. During that same span of time, Kentucky has lost 10+ games 13 times, including 5 under Calipari. UNC has had 10 seasons of 10+ losses since Roy went home (8 under Roy, 2 under Davis). Duke has also only had 3 10+ loss seasons since the time Self was hired at Kansas. However, all 3 of those programs have missed at least 1 NCAA Tournament in that time frame and Kentucky and UNC have had losing seasons in that time.
How many programs would love to consider a year like this the worst season in 25 years for their school? Hell, KU has only had 5 10+ loss seasons total since we won the 1988 title. Only Duke can make that same claim, but for them, two of those seasons resulted in missing the NCAA Tournament completely and one losing season. It’s been over 40 seasons now since KU last had a losing record for a season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 thx! Today was a really bad day for KU fans. But it’s much worse for the players, I feel for them and the coaches. I’m glad Kevin came back, but wonder if he’ll refuse to play after seeing what happened to Hunter. I can’t imagine any KU fan wanting a different coach. We beat some of the best teams this yr, but losing a good player at the beginning really hurt the team in the long run. We’ll see how the injuries play out. I never give up hope.
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“hopefully his seat gets warm”. A national champion coach two years ago. Replace him. Right. Maybe KUBballin10 has two accounts now? Absurd.
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@wissox you know they’re the ones that give up when we r 10 pts down.
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We now wait on the results of Dickinson’s MRI to see how much time he’ll miss with his dislocated shoulder. Personally, I’d sit him and McCullar for the Big 12 Tournament to give KU its best shot at making any kind of run the NCAA Tournament.
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No expert, but if Hunter’s shoulder is what it looked like, that could be a season ender. Hope not!
We may need a new thread about a new starting lineup!
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@wissox I think we all can agree this season has been unacceptable for Kansas basketball.
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@kjayhawks Lol and I thought I was over the top.
Staff shake up would be nice with some new blood and new ideas on both O and D but u don’t fire HOF just cause he had a down year.
Would be just like Bill to land some stud portal 2 guard and roll with Juan, KJ and Hunt back out there and win a title (like after we got smacked by usc and then came back the next year to win it all). Key is a remy type player and sitting Juan. The portal 2 guard will get unlimited shots and need to create when a play breaks down or shot clock is running out.
If Drew miraculously leaves Baylor man what I’d give to pull Nunn and Langston up here but won’t happen because both wouldn’t start cause neither are “the best pure pg in america” geez he’s so homer blind it’s like a high school kid in love when every friend tells them dude she treats u like trash and isn’t all that but they just can’t see it
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@kjayhawks So are you that spoiled that now we have to replace the coach? Where you going to find the next KU coach? Roy Williams had some duds in the late 90’s. Were you calling for his head then? Good grief dude, you’ve gotten to be quite the downer on this board. Not as bad as you know who, but I just can’t believe you’re putting Self on notice.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 if BYU wins aren’t we the 6th seed in big 12 tourney?
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@kuballin10 at least one, maybe both would start depending on Johnny’s draft decision. Neither are point guards anyway.
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@wissox I’m just saying I’m losing faith in his ability to build a roster and he should take some heat for such. Bill Self has never lost more than 10 games in a season as a power 5 coach. Unless we win one of the tournaments that happens this season.
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One can point finger at roster buildup but injuries are out of Self’s control.
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@AsadZ said in Cougar chat:
One can point finger at roster buildup but injuries are out of Self’s control.
Roster build up this season was also Self partially taking the brunt of the NCAA sanctions this season.
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This roster just wasn’t built well at all despite the challenges. They had the chance to build the roster to 11 guys and that didn’t happen. We ended up with 9 guys and now it could be reduced to 7 for the rest of the season, the most important stretch. It’s really hard to fathom how we got here but it seems to be a bit of karma for decisions made in the past and this past offseason. It is what it is. Take our lumps and hopefully turn the page to a brighter future
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@BeddieKU23 are the 2 that left part of your 11? If so it was due to their problems. We were lucky to get Furphy late.
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Roster construction is a complicated mess some years, but this year can be explained pretty simply: we lost seven players in the off-season, some unexpected, and then lost arguably the most important piece in Arterio.
That’s it really. We look different with him in the lineup instead of Furphy, Elmarko or Timberlake. Although I still think (as usual) we would struggle a bit from outside!
Sucks, but as Gene Hackman said: my team’s on the floor.
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I think the sanctions etc is kind of a cop out. Self is a hall of fame coach but anyone can make mistakes and things sometimes happen out of our control. Self chose to bring in a slow center who is a poor defender. He chose to bring on Morris who had major red flags. Imagine another quality guy instead of Morris. He chose to take on Timberlake over another player. The staff miss evaluated how good Jackson was. They landed Marcus Adams who end up being a head case. Kid transfers out of ku and barely lasts week at Gonzaga. They had a bad offseason and kind of lucked into getting furphy late. Obviously he is amazing at his job and most years gets it right
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Mistakes were made in recruiting for sure. I would not include Hunter in that group. He’s a double-double machine.
The sanctions do matter because with 13 you can afford a whiff or two in recruiting. With 11 or 9 or whatever the margin for error decreases by multiples.
We had a confluence of issues - a perfect storm or whatever - yet, we will still be in the tournament (probably a lower seed than we’ve seen in 20 years) and end with a 20+ win season.
It is a sucky year by comparison to the rarified air we are used to, and that reminds me a lot of 88-89 (also post ncaa sanctions)… however unlike that year, Self has likely preserved the NCAA tournament streak.
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One other point. All this fear about next year, just stop and reflect a little.
Self has had many years where he’s lost seniors and starters and 80% of the scoring and so on and the following year is not Armageddon. Sometimes it’s been a conference championship. It’s always been an NCAA berth. It’s always been a top 20 team. It’s always been a top 4 seed in the tournament.
The dude literally has created firebeasts from ashes of the previous season multiple times.
He’s a Phoenix maker.
Now maybe this time it will be different. But why preoccupy with what would have to objectively be considered the least likely scenario —- the one that has never happened?
He will rebuild. We will win again. The hawks will rise again.
He is the Phoenix-maker.
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I wonder what Self said to Sampson in the handshake line. Sampson looked perplexed as Self walked off.
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@Gorilla72 I saw that too
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About Hunter I bet. They’re friends.
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@Crimsonorblue22 - I thought it might be about the player “posing” at the end of the game. You’re probably right. Should have been a foul too.
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@Gorilla72 I didn’t see that. Self probably wouldn’t say anything bad to him, especially since it was a bad loss.
