2023-2024 Statistics
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Update Post Maui
Kenpom- #5 overall, Offense #26, Defense #3.
Torvik- #4 overall, Offense #17, Defense #5.
Kenpom rank in Self Era- Currently 10th best team. Rating in range of 2012 Title Runner-up & 2022 National Champs.
PER’s took a dip. Hunter leads at 35.5, McCullar still strong at 23.4. Timberlake still last at 3.6 for refence. Guard play must improve a lot according to this analytics stat.
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Yes sir, BPI has 10 teams in conference among the top 20 or so. It’s so early.
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I’m not even sure what you can describe the upcoming Big-12 schedule as anymore. So far the Big-12 has won 83% of their games. The newcomers to the league are a combined 22-2 so far, 9 teams have 1 loss or less. Of course, it’s early and some of these teams haven’t played anyone but sisters for the blind but it certainly looks like this league could be even more difficult.
It will be interesting to revisit this before conference play starts.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023-2024 Statistics:
I’m not even sure what you can describe the upcoming Big-12 schedule as anymore. So far the Big-12 has won 83% of their games. The newcomers to the league are a combined 22-2 so far, 9 teams have 1 loss or less. Of course, it’s early and some of these teams haven’t played anyone but sisters for the blind but it certainly looks like this league could be even more difficult.
It will be interesting to revisit this before conference play starts.
Oh it’s gonna be a zoo. - -yet of course we knew or should of known it would be like this. This is going to be even a more Dominant League- - BYU has been kind of a surprise, but have done realy well , it’s going to be interesting. - -You know Houston is always gonna be good- time to stand up
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Didn’t realize Hunter was leading the Nation at like 12.6 . Read that the other day
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Kenpom hates this team currently. The Eastern Illinois game really hammered them negatively.
#10 after beating the #4 team in the country. Guess who’s still #4, UCONN on Kenpom.
I understand how Kenpom gets to their numbers but it’s certainly not going to make any sense when you look at the results.
Kenpom says we are the 4th best team in our own conference with 3 wins against ranked teams. Let’s you know how flawed it can be.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023-2024 Statistics:
Kenpom hates this team currently. The Eastern Illinois game really hammered them negatively.
#10 after beating the #4 team in the country. Guess who’s still #4, UCONN on Kenpom.
I understand how Kenpom gets to their numbers but it’s certainly not going to make any sense when you look at the results.
Kenpom says we are the 4th best team in our own conference with 3 wins against ranked teams. Let’s you know how flawed it can be.
The EIU game should be bad for us but it was clear to see it was a super low effort game with minimal game planning at all.
KP is absolutely delirious right now with regards to BYU…
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The ncaa net rankings has this team at 16! Lol. Hopefully the big 12 gauntlet will help all those computer see what’s really going on by the end of the year. If we were someone like Gonzaga, I’d be worried. But win the big 12 and all will be well for seeding.
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Non computerized thingys like us better. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39034187/men-college-basketball-power-rankings-arizona-no-1-top-teams-lose
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@benshawks08 Houston, who’s beaten nobody of great significance, is #1 in the net because they beat bad teams really well I guess.
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Iowa State being #13 in the NET is hilarious
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@wissox said in 2023-2024 Statistics:
@benshawks08 Houston, who’s beaten nobody of great significance, is #1 in the net because they beat bad teams really well I guess.
That appears to be their philosophy every year. Load up on low to mediocre teams early which gives them a chance to refine their offense/defense and create confidence. Seems to have worked pretty well for them. This year, the Big 12 will be a lot tougher route. We shall see.
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These net ranking are a Joke, we are tied for the most Quad 1 wins but 16th.
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@kjayhawks It’s kind of early so however their metrics work, it leads to some oddities. Princeton #8 for example. But they’re undefeated and 1-0 in quad 1 games (they beat Rutgers). Doubtful they’re anywhere close. They’re 51 in KenPom. Quite a difference.
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@wissox I think RPI favors SOS too much and this net favors win margin too much
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I really only know what I see from watching KU and we have seen how unconscious teams can be against us like UK in the first half against us bombs away and UConn’s Alfred E. Newton hitting wtf shots adnaseum after being 7/27 (25%) before our game. I think we won both of those. Marquette again reminded us that we get the very best efforts against us every freaking game. Other teams think the Jayhawks are impossibly good while we bitch about Timberlake missing shots. We follow the other top teams and watch their stats and think they are better than they are and wonder how they lost to the Beantown Farts or whomever. It’s just fun to look at the numbers this time of the season.
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@Zabudda Who lost t0 the beantown farts?
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@wissox The Pinto Beans. An inter-legume war.
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Well thew Farts and the Lady Farts both lost to The Febreze Lilacs.
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Don’t tempt me mayjay. We could take this clear down to school songs. My wife just asked me what are you smiling at?
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@Zabudda Uncle! Uncle!
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Kenpom-
Win on the road against 17k fans in Assembly Hall. Yeah, your moving down the list some more. Sounds about right for winning.
Torvik-
Win on the road against 17k fans in Assembly Hall. Yeah, your moving WAY down the list. Sounds about right for winning.
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@BeddieKU23 all rating systems hate this team. If we actually destroy Yale, it will mean more.
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Hard to do when we play down to the competition. It also makes it hard to gauge where we truly are. Those metrics show what KU is doing in comparison to other teams. I wish they would factor in effort with the metrics. Yes, I know it is unrealistic. Either that or just have the team play to the best of its ability every game. I am quite confident KU does not do that.
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Uconn lost by 15 to the #67 ranked team and moved up a spot to #4.
KU moved down 2 more spots to #14.
Comical stuff going on
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KU moved down 3 more spots to #16 on Kenpom for winning. You cannot make this up
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Gonna be awesome when we win the natty and finish at like 61
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023-2024 Statistics:
KU moved down 3 more spots to #16 on Kenpom for winning. You cannot make this up
Remember Squeaky’s Law: Winning is the least important thing.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023-2024 Statistics:
KU moved down 3 more spots to #16 on Kenpom for winning. You cannot make this up
I dunno I agree with you but I heard/read somewhere the reason we are moving down is because we are not blowing these teams like Yale and other middle tier schools out. Our turnovre/steal ratio is down in the middle 100’s compared to last years top 15, just some crazy excuses why they are moving us down.—It’s ok we will just still keep winning, screw their stats
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We win a bowl game for goodness sakes and didn’t move up in the Kenpom rankings. Outrageous
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@wissox said in 2023-2024 Statistics:
We win a bowl game for goodness sakes and didn’t move up in the Kenpom rankings. Outrageous
All those penalties created lots of FTs. Kenpom punishes us for giving up FT attempts even though UNLV didn’t make one.
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Update before Conference Play
Kenpom:
13th- Offense #37, Defense #4.
Torvik:
17th- Offense #53, Defense #9.
PER’s:
Hunter and Kev are elite (29 & 25).
Other stats:
Harris is closing in on 10th place all time for assists. He is currently 7 away from tying Sherron Collins who has 552. At his current rate of just under 7 dimes a game, Harris could end the season #3 on the all-time list with 1 more year to go to try and break Aaron Miles record of 954. It’s within reach next year which is crazy to think.
Harris already sits at #10 for career steals with 182. With another year he has a chance to finish #2 passing Mario Chalmers.
Hunter Dickinson is poised to break the single season record for rebounds held by Thomas Robinson (350). At his current rate he’d break the record before the conference tournament.
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From what has happened so far if we play well we are better than anyone. If an opponent is pulling shots out of their collective anus someone needs to exceed their normal output by being an a**hole for our side too. We can shut most teams down but we seem to have about a 4 minute (around 18 pts) scoring lull in each half which causes the famous “we are up by nine but should be up by twenty” posts. Our loss was when we couldn’t handle Marquette’s pressure. I can see us being 20 and 1 because of our experienced leaders and then the conference games get very heated.
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These rankings is why I still prefer RPI, the knock on that was it put too much on SOS but some of these ratings are both sort of laughable. I like KenPom for sure but still the worst bracket I filled out was using there system.
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KU wins another game
Kenpom/Torvik- yep move KU down so more.
Going to be real interesting to see who’s right the further we get along. Self or the numbers guys.
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@BeddieKU23 which is crazy to think about from the stand point that OU was quad 1 and we won by double digits. Almost to the point where what do we have to do to move up?
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@kjayhawks said in 2023-2024 Statistics:
Almost to the point where what do we have to do to move up?
Maybe if we win everything from here on, incl the championship game, we can move backwards into the 100s, through the 200s and 300s, and go all the way past the lowest rating until it starts over at the top 10.
Like going back to zero when playing the card game Hearts.
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Positive Movement on Kenpom after whoopin OSU.
Coming in #17 overall- 21.07 rating, after #14- 22.27 rating
#39 offense, # 11 defense- after #31, #10
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Hunter is now 34 pts away from 2,000 in his career. Would be 4th all-time in KU history for context.
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KenPom on the difference between his rankings and the AP rankings. An interesting read: https://kenpom.substack.com/p/lets-talk-about-memphis
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@HoraceZontal So he uses KU as an example of a team that has more top 30 wins proving that Memphis doesn’t belong and then goes on to say that KU is over rated. I have lost what little respect I had for his poll. His ego, however, is amazing.
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@dylans ya like I said the worst bracket I filled out was heavily KenPom influenced. I only lie to look at a few things he has like offensive and defensive efficiency. I believe no team outside of the top 25 in both has ever won a title. Also would note KenPom loved the 2010 team was number 1 til the last week of the season. It also had the 2022 team in the teens for much of the season.
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Saw an interesting post that now I can’t find the link to about where the last 10 NCAA Champs were ranked at this point in the season. I think only 1 was #1 (Nova) and most where hanging in the top 5 or top 10 with the UConn coming out of no where twice. So, sitting at 7 isn’t the worst place to be. Though I’d be curious about the kenpom rankings of those champs at the same point in the season.
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@benshawks08 I was thinking 2020 we would have been a long term #1, but we didn’t enter the #1 spot until the 3rd to last week of the season. A pre Christmas loss and one early in January to Baylor meant a hole to climb out of. I bring it up because we know KU is winning it all that year!
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Harris passed 600 assists yesterday.
#13 Kenpom, up a few spots after crushing #1.
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Bill Self is now 8 wins from Phog Allen
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Harris is 7th all time in assists currently. He’s got a shot to be 3rd all time by end of season.
Also 7th all time in steals currently
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@BeddieKU23 In 4 years, that’s a great showing! I’m not sure what to think about the 5th year stat accumulation that Harris will have after next season. Skews things.
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@dylans I would think he would easily be the assists leader if he stayed for next season.
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Let’s see.
Current: 601 assists
Record: 954 (Aaron Miles)
Avg: 6.6 per game
Games left in 2024: 9 regular season games, 1 definite, 3 possible Big-12 Championship games, 1 definite, 6 possible NCAA tournament games.
11 games officially left at 6.6 pg = 6.6 = 72.6 18 games max left at 6.6 pg = 118.8
After 2023-24 season- 673 to 719 range
2024-25 season: 673 + 33 games (min) @ 6.6 per game (2023-24 current avg) = 673 + 217 = 890.
Obviously, a fluid situation with how many tournament games KU plays the next two seasons. That’s anywhere from 4 to 18 games. Somewhere around 8.5 per game would get him near the record next season.
