Transfer Rumblings
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@approxinfinity said in Transfer Rumblings:
@kuballin10 I’m ready to hear you make excuses about why Bill won his third ring.
You asked…
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Danny and the Miracles! Nobody else! Get out of here.
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Huh TIL Bill was the coach in 02-03. Guess I should throw away all my merch that says Roy was.
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Not that long ago I was hanging out with one of my best friends who routinely talks with Hubert. She told me yeah Self “roasted him” but look maybe someone who’s watched UNC for 20 years and had access to the coaches for that long is wrong, I’m open to debate.
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Griffin just made it official that he is coming.
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@FarmerJayhawk 08 redemption for the programs falter in 2003….Roy was clearly the coach in 2003 figured that’s common knowledge here
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@FarmerJayhawk My uncles cousins sister hangs out with Self and Self says man we got lucky in 2022 with all these teams best player getting injured the round before we played up but dagum if we weren’t due for some luck
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@kuballin10 You really shouldn’t listen to your uncles cousin sister anymore. She has led you down a very dark road of bad KU ball info. May god have mercy on your soul :<
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@kuballin10 I think you are reaching here. You conveniently include all the things that went our way while ignoring the things that did not go our way in 2022 (Creighton having their best 3 point shooting game of the season and making tough 3s, Villanova doing the same, UNC getting some favorable calls from the refs). It is also important to recognize that luck is a part of every title run. If you want to make a strong case against Self I would suggest using the following points
A) arguing that he got us wrapped up in sanctions
B )arguing that with all the regular season titans and all the talent he has had he should have more than 2 titles and 3/4 final fours
C) arguing that his style of developing players over the the course of years worked well in the past but won’t work in the modern era of unlimited free agency
I would still disagree with you but if you were to focus on these points you would at least have an argument worth respecting. The argument you have now is just lazy and is clearly focused more on scoring “debate points” than on employing close analysis to reach any sort of truth.
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@kuballin10 wasn’t aware you dated someone that close to Self!
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Anyway, Griffen is a great add. Probably a two year guy too.
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@kuballin10 sisters uncles cousins roommate haha space balls reference
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Noah Shelby
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Seems like this weekend was a big dud as both guys didn’t commit as planned or am I missing something….
Oooooh wrong
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My wife keeps wondering who my sources are, I keep scooping the media. lol thanks @BShark @FarmerJayhawk et al who keep us in the know!
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Noah Shelby
Extremely meh but not many guys are going to want to compete with what’s already here.
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@FarmerJayhawk Rylan’s friend as well
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Give me Javon clear Kugel and let’s ride.
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Seems like this weekend was a big dud as both guys didn’t commit as planned or am I missing something….
Oooooh wrong
It is funny that clearly all the videos and photos were done, release was written, quotes given and all that. Almost like people knew beforehand!
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I keep hearing Kugel is gone at this point between his grades and guys we have now signed. Interesting that his grades would be that bad but he still played a lot Florida
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@kjayhawks I’m not sure on the specifics but can speak generally. Some guys quit trying if they think they’re going to the NBA. Then when that doesn’t work out it’s like oh crap I don’t have enough credits to be eligible without A LOT of summer work
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@kjayhawks said in Transfer Rumblings:
I keep hearing Kugel is gone at this point between his grades and guys we have now signed. Interesting that his grades would be that bad but he still played a lot Florida
This is a big part of the motivation for the new transfer rule that was put in place. After the first “free” transfer, a player can only transfer and play immediately again if they are in good academic standing at their previous school.
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Ummmm, Bill IS NOT PLAYIN
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We got Griffen, Storr and Zeke…I’m on cloud 9
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@FarmerJayhawk that’s is probably very true, pass first semester and then screw the pooch the second thinking you are gone anyway.
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@TYOHawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
We got Griffen, Storr and Zeke…I’m on cloud 9
Yeah this version of Star Wars is called Bill Strikes Back
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@TYOHawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
We got Griffen, Storr and Zeke…I’m on cloud 9
Safe to say Bill was not pleased how last year went. Let’s hope all the pieces fit and we get back to KU basketball.
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Heard on a podcast Bill saying he was tired of seeing un athletic Guards-- - No more
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@jayballer67 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Heard on a podcast Bill saying he was tired of seeing un athletic Guards-- - No more
This is music to my ears.
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old acquaintance
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@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
old acquaintance
For those that aren’t deep in the recruiting mire, as a JR in HS it was a KU/Baylor battle then he…didn’t develop as people hoped. Ended up at Vandy, transferred down to Rice and wasn’t great there either. Relationship builder for KU to take him at this point.
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remember he was a package deal to vandy with Dort who now is headed to Cal. Shelby was a prolific HS shooter and agree he hasn’t done much so far in College. Interesting
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@BeddieKU23 return of the Jedi!
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@kjayhawks I like it. I’m thinking Avengers: Endgame.
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@bskeet honestly if Bill wins the ship next season and passes Phog (3 games I believe) I could see him riding off into the sunset.
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@jayballer67 Well minus d2 starting and playing 32-35 minutes a game next year
Remember it’s coach speak. What coach would say “I don’t want to get more athletic”….none yet his decision on who plays says more than his words
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@Jhawk69 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@kuballin10 I think you are reaching here. You conveniently include all the things that went our way while ignoring the things that did not go our way in 2022 (Creighton having their best 3 point shooting game of the season and making tough 3s, Villanova doing the same, UNC getting some favorable calls from the refs). It is also important to recognize that luck is a part of every title run. If you want to make a strong case against Self I would suggest using the following points
A) arguing that he got us wrapped up in sanctions
B )arguing that with all the regular season titans and all the talent he has had he should have more than 2 titles and 3/4 final fours
C) arguing that his style of developing players over the the course of years worked well in the past but won’t work in the modern era of unlimited free agency
I would still disagree with you but if you were to focus on these points you would at least have an argument worth respecting. The argument you have now is just lazy and is clearly focused more on scoring “debate points” than on employing close analysis to reach any sort of truth.
@Jhawk69 Creighton made more threes against another big 10 team
We made the same amount as nova
Don’t remember anything officiating wise
A) sanctions aren’t bills fault because everyone is cheating he just got caught. If he didn’t throw money at players we don’t field a legit team
100% agree here. His style of play is why we don’t have 3-5 titles because we’ve had the best team in the nation at least that many times if not more. Maybe he should see how adjusting his philosophy would help his team excel in March more when it comes to performing up to their seedc) Player development he’s had both some major wins and losses. Frank, Devonte ect studs. Bills issue is he doesn’t play it fair. He yanks those early in the season he doesn’t like after 1 mistake but d2 could make 10 mistakes his first, second, third ect year playing and was never quick hooked.
For Self it’s more philosophical. Defending inside out and scoring inside out isn’t the game nor what athletes are geared towards. He needs to adjust how he defends especially and get some new standard motions because the weave is not ideal.
His best teams are guys multi years in the program and that’s really tough to come by with the portal. He’s got d2, Hunter and kj unfortunately he thinks they are all studs and doesn’t see their limitations
Mayo
Small
Griffen
Storr
Hunter
Wish this would be the lineup from the jump but that ain’t gonna happen.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 Well minus d2 starting and playing 32-35 minutes a game next year
Remember it’s coach speak. What coach would say “I don’t want to get more athletic”….none yet his decision on who plays says more than his words
Wrong-- -ONCE AGAIN. - -Coach saying he is tired of watching un Athletic Guards
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@jayballer67 I mean it’s a fact dajuan isn’t very athletic. Doesn’t take away from the fact that he knows and plays his role
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@jayballer67 He’s gonna start one of the most unathletic at the pg spot next year….thats my point
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@Jhawk69 great thoughts
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@rcjhdraft @kuballin10 ”athletic” has always seemed to me a deceptively subjective assessment. Juan has long arms and uses them to maximize defensive disruption and in achieving great passing angles and handling the rock well. Isnt that a form of athleticism? Also, isnt the brain an organ, ie part of the body? How does one separate the brain from what their body achieves with it?
My biggest problem with Juan is the lapses that hopefully were a product of fatigue. I dont think we will be complaining nearly as much next year about sloppy possessions on either end from him if his minutes are under 30.
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@approxinfinity IMO I always believed athleticism manifested itself via a combination of explosion, jumping ability and speed and dajuan has never really showcased that(always plays slow and doesn’t finish great near the rim). His gifts manifest themselves via finding the open man and playing good defense. With all the scorers that we’ve gotten this offseason he just needs to keep hitting the open man.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 He’s gonna start one of the most unathletic at the pg spot next year….thats my point
It’s always a pleasure to hear from you
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@rcjhdraft I agree with you assessment, you don’t have to be a great athlete to play D1 but it helps for sure. Niang for ISU had a recorded vertical jump of I believe 18 inches at the combine. @approxinfinity Juans wing span is why he is here. If he has a normal wing span he’s playing at SEMO. Juan has never exploded off the dribble and beat anyone to the rim or dunked that I’ve ever seen (was rejected by the rim once last season). Never seen a play from him that screams athleticism.
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Alright. I think he will look more athletic next year, playing less minutes, and hopefully more intense defense, with teammates who can finish.
But i take your points. He is not an explosive finisher or a high flyer and he isn’t particularly fast on the break.
His hands are fast.
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@approxinfinity i hope you are correct sir.
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@approxinfinity Juan can dunk! He can jump too. His bb iq is off the charts.
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@approxinfinity Fair points
D2’s passing angles are minimal because every team has figured out to go under ball screens with him
His ball handling isn’t good; he’s extremely loose with the ball
He’s not a legitimate KU d1 athlete he’s more mo state level
We can agree to disagree but remember all this hype for this roster and watch how it plays out this year….
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@rcjhdraft hit the open man but more importantly take and hit the open 3 so there’s more room for the open man
