2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Preseason poll is out. KU is 5th which is probably too high.
Tied for 5th with Baylor.
Full top 25 is:
#1. UNC
#2. Gonzaga
#3. Houston
#4. Kentucky
T#5. Baylor
T#5. Kansas
#7. Duke
#8. UCLA
#9. Creighton
#10. Arkansas
#11. Tennessee
#12. Texas
#13. Indiana
#14. TCU
#15. Auburn
#16. Villanova
#17. Arizona
#18. Virginia
#19. San Diego St.
#20. Alabama
#21. Oregon
#22. Michigan
#23. Illinois
#24. Dayton
#25. Texas Tech
Big 12 and SEC tied with 5 ranked teams each and each with 4 in the top 15. The ACC, Big 10, and Pac 12 have 3 teams each. The Big East has 2 teams and the AAC, A10, MWC, and WCC have 1 team apiece.
There’s a lot teams with questions entering the season so I’m fine with KU’s rankings. I think it’s largely based on knowing Bill Self’s history and track record over the last 20 years in what he’s done with teams.
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On paper Texas has one of the most talented rosters. Certainly, looks like the most athletic bunch in the league.
I’m terrified that Self is going to play Cam Martin. He certainly hasn’t said anything so far to kill my fears either. Yikes!
I’m with you on having a lot of questions about this team. I’ll let Self figure it out and try and enjoy watching this young team grow up. They don’t have the #5 roster on paper, but Self will find a way to coach them into something. I’ve lowered my expectations for this squad a lot & we won a title so the pressure valve is really low for this year.
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@BeddieKU23 lol!
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@BeddieKU23 Don’t worry, if Bill plays Cam a single minute he will see the defense. When this happens he will actually pass out and the game will have to be stopped.
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5th, 8th…it’s just a number. I think we have some real growing pains coming, but Bill will figure out a way to make us competitive enough to have a good seed in the tournament. I have to admit I’ve dialed back expectations- too many new parts, big learning curve, questionable shooting, etc. Doesn’t mean we’ll be bad, but I think we’ll be closer to '21 than '22.
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@BShark pull a coach K back problem?
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Game 1 Stats
Kenpom
Points Tracker
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Numbers don’t lie. Sit Harris. Start Jank.
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@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Numbers don’t lie. Sit Harris. Start Jank.
The NuMbErS STiLl don’T LIe.
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Updated after bullying the Bison
PER
KENPOM- He HaTe Us!!!
POINTS
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Numbers don’t lie. Sit Harris. Start Jank.
The NuMbErS STiLl don’T LIe.
the only problem with that is Juan plays close to 25- minutes a game – Jank plays like 2-3 - - sure Janks numbers going to be a lot better - not nearly as much time to screw up
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@jayballer67 don’t entertain them it’s sarcasm man lol - no one thinks Jank should take Juan’s minutes
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@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@jayballer67 don’t entertain them it’s sarcasm man lol - no one thinks Jank should take Juan’s minutes
@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@jayballer67 don’t entertain them it’s sarcasm man lol - no one thinks Jank should take Juan’s minutes
pretty sad sarcasm at that
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Updated after giving that Johnny Boy his first L. Glad it was KU
At this point its clear, Jank is too good to play & they must protect his draft stock.
Kenny likes our D but not our O
Jalen on 1,000 pt club watch. He’s on pace for a monster season. Kevin could also join the club by end of year.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, numbers, numbers, numbers, blah, blah, blah; when a Duke player had an open court for a layup/dunk in the first half, I saw the headband on a KU player streaking down court for a the terrific block that was followed by a second block. Of course that was our #3, Dejuan Harris starting that defensive play and not giving one inch to a Duke player. That shows why Dejuan is on the court; the rest is just blah, blah, blah.
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Our defense is sensational. Juando is a big part of that. Our offense scores because Juando drops a whole bunch of dimes.
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@BeddieKU23 KJ’s PER should be 14.6 not 1.6 XD
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 KJ’s PER should be 14.6 not 1.6 XD
Yupp typo, fixed
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 KJ’s PER should be 14.6 not 1.6 XD
Yupp typo, fixed
I was like whoa that can’t be right he hasn’t been that bad and went to check lol
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It was early when I did this, before coffee. Never again
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I will say things are going to get interesting when teams dare Juan/KJ to shoot it. We were somehow getting into the paint against Duke late. I think ultimately we will need 1-2 of Juan/Bob/MJ to show they can at least hit wide open threes.
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The key around those 2 is ball movement. We seem to do well when we get Adams cutting the middle of a high pick and roll. If he’s good for 4-8 pts a game on those kind of plays it’s impactful in a full game.
Harris hasn’t shot the ball well at all so far. At some point he’ll have to make some perimeter shots. He’s very streaky when it comes to that. So far he’s done enough offensively but as scouting reports get more in-depth again we’ll see teams adjust especially in conference play.
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@Jethro said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Our defense is sensational. Juando is a big part of that. Our offense scores because Juando drops a whole bunch of dimes.
does he drop any quarters ? - -if he does I wanna pick em up lol
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Juan looks hesitant when shooting the three he needs to shoot it with confidence like he practiced (or should have been) them all season.
No clue what he did but chucking 1000 threes a day and floaters should have been the requirement
Gradey needs more shots
Kj needs to just drive hard right every time. He’s so quick and built you can’t stop him. He did this one for a little one handed shot in the lane in the 2nd half and I about fell out of my chair. If he can do that we are legit modern ball
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@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Juan looks hesitant when shooting the three he needs to shoot it with confidence like he practiced (or should have been) them all season.
No clue what he did but chucking 1000 threes a day and floaters should have been the requirement
Gradey needs more shots
Kj needs to just drive hard right every time. He’s so quick and built you can’t stop him. He did this one for a little one handed shot in the lane in the 2nd half and I about fell out of my chair. If he can do that we are legit modern ball
KJ looked good on the pnr. The poor guy suffers from Tyrannosaurus rex arms, and is very good defensively, so if he can make a few shots, then his value increases a lot, imo.
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@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Juan looks hesitant when shooting the three he needs to shoot it with confidence like he practiced (or should have been) them all season.
No clue what he did but chucking 1000 threes a day and floaters should have been the requirement
Gradey needs more shots
Kj needs to just drive hard right every time. He’s so quick and built you can’t stop him. He did this one for a little one handed shot in the lane in the 2nd half and I about fell out of my chair. If he can do that we are legit modern ball
If KJ somehow becomes a threat to score we will be very dangerous.
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Updated for the Southern U win…
Jalen is elite. Jank has been shutdown for the season to protect his draft stock
Jalen might hit 1000 by end of December at this rate
Kenny hates us
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Updated post Bahamas Tourney. Not that great…
Points update
PER’s
Kenpom. In the Self Era this team is slightly better so far then the 20/21 Covid squad. 2nd lowest rated squad in the Self era. The other 3 teams with similar rating, did not win the Big-12. Something to monitor for expectations.
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Wonder what practice will be like this week.
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How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I’m not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
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@BeddieKU23 Heroic of Jank to step in in a tough situation and tank his PER. Really gonna hurt his draft stock, but still elite.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I’m not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
If anything we want to make sure they are rested for tonight.
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Wondering if they upped his NIL deal in order for him to enter the game. Protect him at all cost.
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I’m not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
If anything we want to make sure they are rested for tonight.
Yeah Tejas Southern shouldn’t challenge us but these guys are tired and that’s not going to change in 2 days. I would expect to see the same level of play that we just saw in the Bahamas. Some good, some bad and a lot in the middle
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Practice time during the school year generally is so limited they won’t do much.
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Updated post Tejas Southern beatdown
Points
Jalen getting close to 1,000 real fast. Going to be very interesting to start tracking how high he can climb up the list. Zach has yet to score this season in 37 minutes, major disappointment there.
PER’s
Big jump for MJ Rice after the 19 point outburst. We’d all love to see that unleashed more going forward. Udeh is trending hard in the wrong direction.
Kenpom
Sagarin, Bracket Matrix & Massey added to trend as the season progresses.
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Jank fell off a c l i f f
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You know by now they didn’t leave till 6 am sun?
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Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He’d been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
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@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He’d been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
I’m thinking of starting a " don’t yank the Jank" fanclub.
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Guessing he wanted a mulligan on that 3 attempt
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Right now on Kenpom the Big-12 has 8 of the top 30 defenses in the country.
Only Baylor #75 is outside the Top 40. Baylor has the #2 ranked Offense so Jekyll/Hyde going on.
On Offense only 2 Big-12 teams are in the Top 30 not including KU. Expanding out to the Top 50, only 6 teams.
There is going to be a lot of 52-48 type games in the Big-12 if these trends continue
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Still things to work out but as of right now…
I looked up similar team profiles to the current KU team on Torvik. Unsurprisingly 2019 and 2021 KU are listed. Self one of the few coaches that even wins a tournament game. Some teams missed the tournament like 2018 LVille and PSU.
Things could change if we can get some bench production out of Joe/MJ, or really anything out of the 5 spot but that’s what it looks like at the moment.
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Dusted this one out, Kenpom comps in the Self Era. Look how similar this years team is to a few others. This might be our ceiling (hopefully not) but it is an early warning of what might be. This is a bottom 4 squad since Self has been here so far.
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@BeddieKU23 Feels right to me unless we start getting bench production. I feel fairly confident we won’t win the league.
I’m fairly excited for next year, depending on who stays.
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@BShark who do you think will, Texas? I think we will be right in there.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Texas has a legitimate chance to go undefeated in league play but I’d guess they lose 1-2.
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My days of doubting Self winning the league are long gone. I don’t think we are in any position to win the league currently, but we’ll see how this month goes. League play is where Self always finds a way to get the upper hand.
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Texas has looked sharp, athletic at every position and outside shooting hasn’t hurt them, yet. They play Creighton & Illinois back to back. The game they beat Gonzaga stands out & if they play at that level it will be difficult to match them.
Convenient in the Big-12 schedule, KU travels to Texas for the last regular season game which could also have championship implications on the line.
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@Jethro said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He’d been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
I’m thinking of starting a " don’t yank the Jank" fanclub.
Unfortunately, I’m afraid not yanking the Jank is what brought us here. I mean, I’m still a fan, but the numbers now show he is actually only the 4th best player on the team instead of a statistical superstar destined for the league. The numbers still don’t lie. With that said, based on the numbers I would still start him next game.
