OU, Texas to the SEC?
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In order for Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC, current SEC member schools would need a 75% majority approval to add OU and Texas which means 11 of the 14 would have to vote yes. Would OU and Texas be able to get the votes?
The original leak came from the A&M beat writer here in Houston and we’ve already heard A&M say they will never vote for Texas to join. I can’t imagine Missouri voting either considering why they left the B12. Arkansas would also very likely be a no vote considering UT is the reason they left the SWC for the SEC 30 years ago. So that’s 3 very likely no votes which means everyone else would need to vote yes.
Here’s where that would get interesting, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and Kentucky allegedly have a gentleman’s agreement to vote no to keep Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville out of the SEC forever because those schools like being the only SEC schools in their respective states. Would those 4 schools stand with A&M and vote no as well since A&M’s reasoning for voting no would be the same reason those other 4 schools have refused to admit their in state rivals.
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It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
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@FarmerJayhawk OH NO $5 A MONTH!!!
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If the rest of the Big XII teams wanted to play hardball with OU and UT, they could follow the lead of the European soccer leagues (pardon the mixed metaphor).
Earlier this year the big money clubs tried to break away and create a Super League. Immediately the domestic leagues threatened them with heavy fines and other major sanctions. That (and near-riots in some cities) made the big dogs back off.
It’s not like the NCAA has much power left to stop the other B12 schools from doing that. Welcome to the Wild West.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.
That’s total bullshit. You’re not from the region and do not understand the disdain Arkansas still has for the University of Texas. For the people that have power and influence at Arkansas and will determine how Arkansas votes, UT is still their most hated rival and they want nothing to do with Texas in their conference. If you think people in Austin are going to sit back and let Alabama keep running the league, you severely underestimate the power brokers in Austin.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
In order for Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC, current SEC member schools would need a 75% majority approval to add OU and Texas which means 11 of the 14 would have to vote yes. Would OU and Texas be able to get the votes?
The original leak came from the A&M beat writer here in Houston and we’ve already heard A&M say they will never vote for Texas to join. I can’t imagine Missouri voting either considering why they left the B12. Arkansas would also very likely be a no vote considering UT is the reason they left the SWC for the SEC 30 years ago. So that’s 3 very likely no votes which means everyone else would need to vote yes.
Here’s where that would get interesting, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and Kentucky allegedly have a gentleman’s agreement to vote no to keep Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville out of the SEC forever because those schools like being the only SEC schools in their respective states. Would those 4 schools stand with A&M and vote no as well since A&M’s reasoning for voting no would be the same reason those other 4 schools have refused to admit their in state rivals.
Na , I think they are in if THEY want in. - -There was also an interesting report that FOX Sports could come up with a very tempting finanicial offer that would have Texas & Oklahoma play as an independent and FOX Network becoming involved with a contract sitting up a series of games --that could be dangled in front of their face. - I still think it’s SEC and really don’t see a lot of problem with them getting in. SEC has now come out publically about expansion and wanting the possibility of Oklahoma & Texas. I think the interest is VERY REAL from both parties
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.
Couldn’t agree more , don’t think it will be much of an issue with them being accepted.
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Found this & heard from articles and Video off ESPN . Makes very solid point. He says Oklahoma & Texas are just getting the jump. He says when Oklahoma and Texas joins the SEC then going to become the SEC and then everyone else. SEC IS the best football conference and adding two powers. Big 10 not as Good - - Pac 12 not even in the picture
He talks about The NIL , saying that for an example Sophomore Bryce Young of Alabama hasn’t played a snap and is right at 7 figures of the NIL. He says every 4 * & 5 * player is looking to maximize the finanical potential not only in the NFL but also while in College and what better place then in the best Football Conference in America? - Gonna throw other conferences in turmoil & Scrambling to pick up the pieces.
It’s about to be ALL about the SEC then everybody else. As he said the NIL IS the future of recruiting.
Paul Finebaum who works for ESPN and also has ties to the SEC says he thinks this is something with Oklahoma and Texas is very far down the road & yes they will be in. Could be finalized very soon & done in the next couple of weeks. He talked about how he thinks there was some selective leaking about this trying to de-rail but not going to work
Big 12 Source says he thinks that talks between Oklahoma & Texas & the SEC have been going on for more then 6 months & a SEC member had been left out ( Texas A & M ) - but that about them being left out had been disputed by SEC .
Was mentioned that Texas & Oklahoma would have to forefit of upward of 76 million Each to buy out their remainder of the grant. Was brought up in the Article that the ACC had wanted to bring TExas and Oklahoma into the ACC -this caught them by surprise. - - -Things arer about to get REAL interesting a lot of change coming
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Let’s weigh all of the options for KU:
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Poaching other schools to make the Big 12 viable - Poaching schools like Colorado (wrong time zone), Iowa (doubtful they are interested, and even if they are, small population state for TV purposes), Nebraska (see Iowa issues), or Arkansas (same as Iowa and Nebraska, with the addition that they will want to be in a stronger baseball conference than the reimagined Big 12 can provide) has its issues. Looking through the grab bag of UCF, USF, Tulane, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis has some nice options, but again, no school that adds a significant fan base for TV purposes. The only way poaching works is if the Big 12 could somehow get Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, and Nebraska to add to West Virginia, Iowa State, KU, KSU, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas Tech and TCU. I doubt the B1G allows itself to be raided like that, but that’s the only truly viable option. I give this a 4/10 for viability. Not impossible, but unlikely, and you are still at risk from a TV perspective.
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Pursuing the SEC. This is a non-starter. KU is too weak in football to ever be competitive. It would strengthen basketball, but still falls short. Travel isn’t a huge issue, but KU costs would go up to travel to schools like Mississippi State, South Carolina and Tennessee regularly. 1/10 because the SEC is not interested.
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Pursuing the ACC. The ACC has a fairly large footprint at this point, up and down the East Coast. That probably makes expansion west difficult - the northernmost schools won’t want to add trips to the midwest to their travel schedule that already includes games in South Carolina, Georgia or Florida. Divisions would be a mess - KU would have two trips to North Carolina per year, a trip to Florida, etc. Is this workable? Maybe. Practical? Not really. 2/10
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Pursuing the Big 10. This is the best option. Adding KU and possibly UVa to the Big 10 gives them clear divisions for the first time in forever - KU, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana and Purdue on one side, with Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin. Some might say that the West is light on the football side (true right now), but that probably shifts over time, with those West schools able to eventually build up. And truthfully, other than Ohio State, the East isn’t actually that strong. This conference could stay together long term and the travel is manageable for everyone with those divisions. Traditional Big 10 rivalries are intact. The only issue is whether the Kansas legislature lets KU leave KSU behind. If KU is tied to KSU, both schools sink. If not, one can stay in a power conference. 7/10, mostly because the legislature could throw a wrench into things.
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Drop down from a major conference to a new midwest based basketball conference. This idea is basically a concession that KU football may never be anything more than a nightmare. Leave the P5 scene and focus on being a shaky football school in a conference with some configuration of KU, K-State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU, Tulane, Rice, and UAB. Footballwise, that’s a not quite P5 level conference, but with some good teams and coaches. But basketballwise, that conference is competitive, with a chance to regularly send 6-8 schools dancing. Because of football, revenues take a hit, but if you pick the right group of schools and travel is reasonable, it can work. I give this a 4/10 because its basically an admission of defeat, but it is the best fallback option.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.
The source of this story is A&M’s beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.
Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.
That’s total bullshit. You’re not from the region and do not understand the disdain Arkansas still has for the University of Texas. For the people that have power and influence at Arkansas and will determine how Arkansas votes, UT is still their most hated rival and they want nothing to do with Texas in their conference. If you think people in Austin are going to sit back and let Alabama keep running the league, you severely underestimate the power brokers in Austin.
Ok, I’ll cite somebody who’s covered the SEC and is perhaps the most plugged in reporter in the conference. You’d think if Arky was super serious about killing the deal they’d maybe say something about it. https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1418598405237055488?s=20
We’ll see how the vote turns out. I do know the power brokers in Austin know how to light millions of dollars on fire for no appreciable results. Seems to be their specialty. All hat, no cattle (at least on the field), as your people say.
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@justanotherfan this basically is my view https://throughthephog.com/2016/10/19/big-12-collapses-ku-land/
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WHEW BOY BUCKLE UP https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1418612094723821568?s=20
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So from what I’m reading just now from CBS Sports. Oklahoma and Texas plan to inform the Big 12 Monday of their intentions not to renew the contract.
Also the way I’m understanding that quite possibly that both schools would have to pay close to 80 million each if they wanted to join the SEC before 2025 when the current contract expires. If they pay those fee’s then they would start playing SEC in 2022 and wouldn’t have to wait - -as CBS stated it would avoid an ugly 4 year divorce from the Big 12 if they paid the 80 milion which they said if they would become members of the SEC the 80 million could be easily made up. So it’s likely this is the LAST year that these two are members of the Big 12
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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
WHEW BOY BUCKLE UP https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1418612094723821568?s=20
Welp if that turns out to be the case kind of discounts the theory of Arkansas Missouri & Texas A & M not wanting them huh ? - if this turns out 13-1 - I would say Texas A & M would be the ONE oh well
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So a few things on timing. OU and UT aren’t waiting until 2025. There’s enough money sloshing around to buy their rights back from the Big 12 ($76 million per school) and get them to the SEC for the 22-23 year. Now, if the Big 12 goes belly up after that the rights return to the schools, so it opens up a lane for KU to approach the B1G (who we’re aggressively lobbying) and PAC and say hey, there’s no buying out our media rights like the B1G had to with Maryland (to the tune of about $50m). So KU becomes more appealing than say, UVA, who has a 9 figure media rights deal with the ACC and even the B1G probably won’t touch that. So if things really speed up we could be in the B1G in 12 months.
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I could see more teams saying no if no had any sort of traction, but it doesn’t seem to. I’ve heard a lot of people throwing around a KU-Mizzou package to the B10, but that doesn’t seem likely if Mizzou is voting yes on adding OU-Texas.
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@FarmerJayhawk I haven’t looked into the conference’s GoR much. The ACC’s is through like the 2030’s though, right? Do you know if the buyout is reduced as a school gets closer to the end of the GoR term, or if it’s the same whether a school chooses to leave 10 years out or 1 year out? Like would UVA’s buyout be less every year closer to the GoR’s end-of-term?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@FarmerJayhawk I haven’t looked into the conference’s GoR much. The ACC’s is through like the 2030’s though, right? Do you know if the buyout is reduced as a school gets closer to the end of the GoR term, or if it’s the same whether a school chooses to leave 10 years out or 1 year out? Like would UVA’s buyout be less every year closer to the GoR’s end-of-term?
I believe so. I think it’s like most buyouts in the sense of you have to pay the remaining value on the deal. The ACC deal runs through 2035, so you’d have to pay 14 years worth of the deal to break it unless you negotiated some kind of settlement. Since the Big 12’s is only through 2025 (assuming the league survives) it’ll be much, much less. And honestly, Fox and ESPN will not be happy with a crippled Big 12, so my sense is they’ll try to get out of the Big 12 deal, which could make us “free agents” so to speak.
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@FarmerJayhawk That makes sense. Thanks
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I don’t know if this has already been posted, but it seems important so
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I would be very pleased with the BIG.
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Wonder what would happen with the Champions Classic.
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@BShark said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
I would be very pleased with the BIG.
Would make for some very interesting match ups in Basketball , Wisconsin - - Michigan State , Michigan - -might be interesting form new rivals. - Yet would be very weird not to be playing K-State after soooooo many years
Wouldn’t look forward in football though to the annual ass whoopings from Ohio State ll
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Fineburn was saying he couldn’t see the Big 12 surviving if Texas and Oklahoma went to the SEC . Someone text his show about saying you forgetting Baylor & KU in Basketball ?
He answered by saying no offense to Basketball BUT Basketball has no say in this. He said the one big concern for the big 12 surviving was that even though it has some good partners for Saturday games and such is that the Big 12 has no network like the Pac 12 has it’s net work - -The SEC has their network - -The ACC has it’s network - - The Big 10 has it’s network - -but no Big 12 network- -
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
I don’t know if this has already been posted, but it seems important so
Wondering if Oklahoma and Texas buy their contract out so they can get out and join SEC for the 2022 season , Think we all know the Big 12 is history. Just wonder if KU would buy out it’s contract to be able to join Big 10 for 2022 Season ?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Good point. Maybe swap MSU for UCLA?
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@jayballer67 not a PAAAAWWWWWL fan but he’s spot on. Hoops is an afterthought here. Things seem to be moving FAST. Like once OU and UT make things official you could see the B1G go within a matter of weeks
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Texas is going to have a rude awakening https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1418648908859953161?s=20
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I notice that several schools are paired with KU when speculating about Big 10 additions. No one is talking about Notre Dame. They’ve been independent, but weren’t they a part of the Big10 basketball schedule and didn’t they join the Big10 football schedule this past year due to COVID? Would that perhaps make them a candidate or are there unsurmountable obstacles?
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@bskeet said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
I notice that several schools are paired with KU when speculating about Big 10 additions. No one is talking about Notre Dame. They’ve been independent, but weren’t they a part of the Big10 basketball schedule and didn’t they join the Big10 football schedule this past year due to COVID? Would that perhaps make them a candidate or are there unsurmountable obstacles?
Yes, their quasi-deal with the ACC stipulates if they join a conference, has to be the ACC
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Ah-- it was the ACC they were playing with. Sorry for the confusion!
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@FarmerJayhawk All day long we take that nugget. Btw, thanks for the nugget. Question though, why would UVA want to move from the ACC?
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@nwhawkfan nah, the Big12 is toast.
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@BShark I like it.
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Texas Tech , TCU , & Baylor all have already reached out to the Pac 12. - -You guys I know not on the Football side , BUT believe it or not - if this turns out which simply looks like it’s happening - -I’m actually miss the K-State / KU rivalary - - no more K-State ? - - - -sooooo many years just won’t seem right. - - Isn’t that rivalry one of the oldest - I know - -but it just won’t seem right
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I think KU and KState will find a way to play one another annually if they aren’t in the same conference after the dust settles. Similar to how Iowa St and Iowa are currently.
It will be interesting to see whether the P12 takes TCU or Baylor since they are religious universities. If the B12 conference dissolves, the best-case scenario for KState might be getting into the P12.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
I think KU and KState will find a way to play one another annually if they aren’t in the same conference after the dust settles. Similar to how Iowa St and Iowa are currently.
It will be interesting to see whether the P12 takes TCU or Baylor since they are religious universities. If the B12 conference dissolves, the best-case scenario for KState might be getting into the P12.
TCU and Baylor are not religious schools in the same way BYU is. Neither school has the same level of code of conduct BYU has. TCU isn’t even dry campus, it has coed dorms, and is typically ranked as one of the better party schools in the country. TCU is basically a religious school in name only. Baylor is a lot more strict in that regard as it is a dry school and doesn’t have coed dorms, but it still doesn’t approach BYU.
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I didn’t say either of them were religious schools in the same way BYU is. TCU is a private Christian University. Baylor is a private Baptist University. Maybe that won’t be an issue for the P12, but I’m not sure. You seem pretty sure.
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Thia is going to be some BS if they leave immediately and we dont get a showdown with Beard. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31868545/source-oklahoma-sooners-texas-longhorns-verge-making-sec-move
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Hmm. Code of Conduct and Baylor doesn’t really seem to jibe.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
I didn’t say either of them were religious schools in the same way BYU is. TCU is a private Christian University. Baylor is a private Baptist University. Maybe that won’t be an issue for the P12, but I’m not sure. You seem pretty sure.
Are seriously trying to explain the culture of two Texas schools to someone who grew up in Texas and basically lived here my entire life?
Again, TCU is a Christian school in name only. I have spent plenty of time on both campuses as well as several other Christian universities in the region. TCU has very few of thallmarks of a Christian university. There is no other Christian school I have ever been to that is a wet campus. There is no other Christian school I have been to that has coed dorms. TCU being a “Christian” school will not be a stumbling block for the P12 looking at them.
Baylor has a lot more of the hallmarks such as being dry and not having coed dorms. They also have an on campus seminary, but that’s part of why they’re officially the largest Southern Baptist school in the world. Baylor however is nowhere near as strict on a lot of other policies that you’ll find at other Christian schools such as chapel and a code of conduct.
The reason I bring up BYU is because they have made multiple attempts to join the PAC only to be rejected because of their religious affiliation. TCU would not have those issues, but Baylor likely would.
The biggest issue however and why the PAC 12 won’t add any Big 12 school is California bill AB1887 which prohibits state funded California schools from traveling to play in states with LGBT discrimination laws in place. All current states within the Big 12 footprint are on that list and why KU can’t play UCLA, Cal, or any other public school in California.
Even if the 12 schools voted 12-0 to admit these schools, California law will pretty much keep the PAC 12 from expansion.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn’t really read your response, but I’m just going to tell you: the reason I don’t engage you very frequently on buckets is because I believe you get into arguments with people in bad-faith. In other words, the points in question aren’t really up for debate in your mind, but rather you just have a need to prove that you are right and the other poster is wrong. Consequently, I don’t find discussions with you to be particularly informative/constructive or fun at all.
I think it will be interesting to see what happens with the remaining B12 teams. Have a good day.
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@approxinfinity 18 month?
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@BShark anyway A and M would back out join us and maybe sayyyyyy Colorado? Or somebody else? Not worth it?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:
@BShark anyway A and M would back out join us and maybe sayyyyyy Colorado? Or somebody else? Not worth it?
We’re peacing out of the Big 12 if possible. Marriages of convenience don’t last ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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@Crimsonorblue22 augh haha thank you. I missed that
