I've got a crush on Tarik Black
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@iowajayhawk2005, Coherence and incoherence are perhaps immaterial here. Hate seems the key alibi. Hate is the hobgoblin of an Old Testament Lewis Black kind of mind schtick caught up in a Baudrilllardian reality that consists of hyper circulation of sign information disconnected from symbolic exchange value and reciprocal gift giving. It seems a futile, possibly narcissistic attempt at escaping nihilism with caustic humor masked as emotion that cannot in reality be experienced.
You hate the sign of Brannen Greene, not the reality of Brannen Greene, which you of course cannot know digitally. And your sign conception of Brannen is a product not of any reality but rather a post post modern hyper synthesis of alibi invoked both to support the broader alibi of reality and so distract from an unsettling void of unfolding tedium amidst hypertelia.
Schtick and counter schtick.
Live the simulacra.
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ah ha! Iāve figured it out. I hate Brennan Greene because he reminds me of @jaybate
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@iowajayhawk2005, Defaulting to an alibi with an additional degree of freedom.
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Thanks men, this board has sincerely missed the simply marvelous soap opera, point & counterpoint exchanges of an Aykroyd & Curtain. Keep up the good work & weāll stay tuned. Remember though, that spontaneity, civility, & subtlety are first & foremost when humor is created & enjoyed.
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Iām starting to sense that I can draw a line and put @iowajayhawk2005 at one end and @jaybate on the other end. Iām not trying to induce friction with that statementā¦ kind of like how I laid it out with Wooden and Knight.
Letās call it āphilosophical differences.ā Iām probably inviting a punch coming my way because Iām positioned too close to the action. It would be well-deserved, Iām sure.
Iām on board with @globaljaybird ā¦ it is all in good fun and everyone has the cap-acity to keep it cerebral and in tasteful jest.
@iowajayhawk2005 ā¦ Iām thrilled with your infusion! I admit my worshiping of Greene, and am glad youāve challenged my thoughts around him. You can continue to punch holes in my delusions. My closet runneth over with deities.
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@iowajayhawk2005 agree on Tarik. agree on the whole theme. want to root for the good guys.
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@iowajayhawk2005 you graduated from KU in 2005? And grew up in Iowa? Just curiousā¦
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Compare Blackās reaction to my most hated player in KU history - Brennan Greene. I literally cannot wait for that *#!% to transfer.
Whoa, whoa, whoaā¦I agree 100% with Black and love him too. But, youāre off the charts on Greene, WAY out of line. Please provide more insight to your horrible post about Greene. When you make such a putrid statement surely you have some solid reason, proof, evidence for making such a terrible statement.
Whereās the board police when you need them? WOW
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Classic joke @truehawk93! Disagreeing with my assertions by slandering me as well and then calling for the board police. Classic pot calling the kettle black - love hypocrisy jokes.
BUT - being that I understand the gist of what youāre asking me I have no problem diving into why I canāt stand him. 1. the most glaring and obvious reason is he reminds me of jaybate 2. He is the anti Tarik Black - itās only natural. 3. He needs a hair cut.
In all seriousness though - he is my most despised player since JR Giddens and hereās why: First and foremost his attitude. Iāve been saying this about a few guys on the team but he seems to be the ring leader. Itās one thing to not show a lot of emotion (i.e. Perry Ellis) but Greene DOES show emotion. Specifically I remember a turnover in the FL game (maybe different game?) where he smacked the scorers table. When he hits a three he gets excited. When heās in the game and things are going well heās high fiving. This is exactly what the team needs and this is why I love Tarik so much but it is Greeneās absolute downfall because, knowing what heās like when things are going well, you can read him like a book when they arenāt. His slumping in his seat, standing at the back of huddles, complete disregard for his teammates, angry disparaged facial expressions - everything. Everything about his attitude on the bench is attrocious. Heās a classic JJ Berea (yes referring to K.Loveās recent comments).
Secondly - he continually takes bad shots. regardless if they go through the hoop or not Iād love to track how many shots heās taken that he shouldnāt have. Most of us know that Self ball is dependent on creating driving angles, 1 on 1 opportunities for the big men, and open shots for guards by swinging the ball around the perimeter. He knows this and Self has been vocal about his shot taking but he continues to do it. There is nothing that makes me more furious in college basketball then taking a contested 3 point shot with 25 seconds or more left on the shot clock - especially when youāve just checked into the game.
Third - He is the first and only Freshman this year to have off the court issues and Iāve never thought that to bode well. He clearly was either doing something very wrong or has an incredible ability not to accept punishment for his actions. You donāt run into a parked car at 2 in the morning and flee the scene if you arenāt doing something you shouldnāt be doing. I get it that heās young and he made a mistake and thatās fine, totally understand it, but it wonāt make me ever condone it.
fourthly - there are WAY too many rumors about this kid. Where thereās smoke thereās fire. multiple scources saying heās slamming doors and complaining when things donāt go his way. Deleted twitter posts. Transfer rumors. Look at the way he conducts himself as the way someone like AWIII does. Both are surely frustrated with playing time and may transfer - I hear nothing from Whiteās camp whereas I hear something monthly from Greene.
fifthly - he is constantly in Selfās dog house. In Self I trust.
You make a bad off the court decision, you sulk a bit at a lack of playing time, you say something dumb on twitter, you lose your cool once or twice in the towers, you get in the coaches dog house. Do one or two of these things one or two times youāre immature. You get a talking to and you right the ship. Do all of these things with some of them seemingly multiple and endless youāre crossing a line into my region of hatred.
For his sake and the teams I hope Iām wrong but that would be a first. ever.
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āClassic pot calling the kettle black - love hypocrisy jokes.ā
āIn all seriousness though - he is my most despised player since JR Giddens and hereās why: First and foremost his attitude.ā
Lol - you are one funny guyā¦
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hate is bad, mmmmkay.
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@Blown-Wolf in sheepās clothing ya think?
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@nuleafjhawk - should i change my name to @ironyhawk? Would that make @civilhawk mad?
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@globaljaybird I was just thinking Wolf in Wolf clothing
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Being that the wolf is my spirit animal Iām taking that as a supreme compliment. Thanks @blown.
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@iowajayhawk2005 Nah, donāt change your name. Although, I did change mine two or three years ago. I wasnāt as smart as you, but I think we had similar attitudes. I just decided it was more fun for me to lighten up and get along with (most) everyone. Weāre all different, but I personally enjoy a laugh and some good sarcasm.
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@nuleafjhawk sooobawls, i knew that was you
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@Blown lol - I donāt know who that is. Honestly I canāt even remember what my old name was ( mental block maybe? ). It was back when I first joined Kusports.com. My attitude stunk.
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@nuleafjhawk Do you remember jayahawkinnebr, then?
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@Blown Sorry, I donāt. But no oneās ever accused me of having a laser sharp memoryā¦
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@iowajayhawk2005 Wolf, the supreme compliment should be that you are not hiding who you really are. Well, at least if you are trying to, you are not doing a very good job of it.
āAll I can do is be me, whoever that isāāBob Dylan
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@Blown : Two classic posters thereā¦
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Greene hasnāt taken a whole lot of shots this year. Heās 50% (4-eight) from 2 and 30% (3-10) from 3. Pretty small sample size with a rather decent % to be hating someone for shot selection. But when you have it out for someone you just have it out for someone.
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Good shots are not judged by whether or not they go in.
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@iowajayhawk2005 Frank Mason is the King of ill-timed shots. Fortunately, a few are starting to drop for him.
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@iowajayhawk2005 Itās great to have an opinion and even a dislike, but to hate? Most of your points are personal opinon, rumors, and just overall personal. Iāll let him be a kid that will learn and grow from this experience.
We can agree on two of your points: I trust Self will do the right thing. He does have a way with players. I also believe because of Selfās coaching ability, Brannen will overcome this just like the twins, EJ, Sherron, TT, and even BMac to a degree.Did you hate each of these players too? Just curious because they meet your hate criteria. Itās all good and disagree with you, but will never āhateā you for your extremely opinionated attitude. One last comment, you actually hold his hair against him? I find that odd.
Oh wellā¦have a great year watching KU and you do know that you are the only one that loses by hating an 18-19 yr old kid?
Thank you for the response. I still donāt understand your hate.
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@Blown Itās amazing what a little pt will do for a playerās confidence, shot, and attitude. Frank is overcoming and finding his groove on the court.
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It is hard to hate Greene based on his lack of play. He looks to me like he has the tools to be a great player in future seasons at KU. He probably does have a bad attitude but that is not abnormal for an 18 year old kid. He will mature.
Does anyone think that between Greene / AW3 / CF we will ever see a consistent piece of our puzzle? We have discussed this ad nauseam but I am starting to think Self may never pick just one to get big minutes. We may be looking at this one game this guy one game that guy philosophy for the entire season based on matchups.
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@truehawk93 - āhateā is definitely a strong word and I mostly use it because Iām emotional. It potentially is better to say I STRONGLY dislike Brennan Greene.
In regards to all the guys you mentioned - no, I never hated one of them. I never even disliked one of them. Iāll admit that part of my hatered is simply irrational and inexplainable - itās who I am. I will argue though that none of those guys ever possessed ALL of the things I mentioned above. While TT teetered from immature to stupid he sure as heck gave a darn. His issues I think stemmed from an inability to handle success after his freshman season. He was KUās darling year 1 and fell apart years 2 and 3. Maybe itās a case of the straw breaking the camelās back - I donāt know. I expect our freshman to act like freshman so exhibiting some of these things is just part of it. He simply possesses all of them.
Nothing I stated above is an opinion. I gave you my opinion based on my observation. The facts are he is outwardly projecting a negative attitude, he has a pension to take early shots without moving the ball (self has said so himself), he got into a car accident at 2 am (I guess itās a semi opinion that he clearly was doing something wrong), there are a lot of rumors about the kid, heās in bill selfās dog house.
A lot of what I say is intelligent observation wrapped in ridiculousness and irrationality. I understand this. You will too in time. While hate is a strong word I feel wholly justified to dislike this kidās play and attitude at this point in his career. To be quite honest - I donāt see how anyone could like it.
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Iām wondering, what are your feelings about Tharpe?? Iām sure there are a few board rats that would think the falls into the criteria of a quick trigger and throwing up guarded shots. His %Poss is lower than Greene with a lot more minutes. And his suspension to start the season shows he makes bad decisions and was in the wrong place, wrong time. Do you only like him because of his hair? Or maybe itās the way he ties his shoes?
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Naadir has great hair - no qualms there. I am becoming a bit frustrated with his inconsistent play and definitely with his shot selection. Shot selection, in fact, has always been my biggest complaint with Tharpe. His 1 game suspension for playing in a summer league game in Chicago is quite different then illegal activity. Everything Iāve heard is that he was unaware this was a rules violation - if he knowingly knew of the rules violation and subsequent 1 game suspension beforehand and still played then, yes, I would detest Tharpe for his absolute selfishness. Furthermore, Tharpeās lack of leadership and passion on the court is getting under my skin as well. Itās an attribute he needs to bring the table and he seems to forget that some games. While this frustrates me it does not anger me as he does not act brooding, angry, disinterested, and completely checked out as my friend Brennan does.
Naadir should give Brennan a hair cut.
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@iowajayhawk2005 - Your recent posting spree has been like a first date for all of us. We are getting to know you.
I am intrigued with your lengthy post on why you āhateā Greene. Some of that info is new to me. Iām digesting that post, and might end up with some gas from the process, but often times the nourishment I really need will do that to me.
I think weāve about ended the first date with you. While I donāt think most in here are ready to disrobe, I think it is worthwhile for a second date and many would agree. Behind the rough texture is someone with depth. Your perspective is enticing. Bait for another date.
Iāve read all the date books and the bloated text about āfirst impressions mean everything.ā Iāve always considered that phrase a suckerās bet because anyone can fake it for one date. I appreciate that you didnāt come in here with a sappy heart and sticky fingers.
I just hope you keep posting and you find cleaver enough ways to express your rough edges to keep the blog police at bay. Just make sure and keep as much edge as you can, because you were correct in one of your earlier posts when you said you had your own methods for getting results.
It is becoming easier to spot which threads you participate in by noticing the amount of posts in each thread.
Strangely, āhateā used to be a softer word. But now media has cut off the softer edges of that word so itās context relates to things like āhate crimesā and often lead to mass death. Because of that reason, āhateā is one of the few words I would scratch from use in here. You can go to the edge without using that wordā¦ how about, ādespise, scorn, loathe, disdainā¦ā None of these choices are as connected to horrific deeds like āhate.ā
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the more you post @drgnslayr the more I trust your judgment on humanism. Iām glad we can keep this tango going. I love dancing. I would say my ārough edgesā are exposed due to my desire to be the opposite of the professional world I live in as I read these posts. Maybe Iām just saying here what I want to say out there. I donāt know. As I said - Iām emotional.
I promise from my end to try my best and always be a free spirit if you promise from your end to sometimes allow me to say a poop joke.
Happy weekend - Iām going home.
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I agree with your last post comments on Naadir. He is inconsistent, and shot selection has been an issue with him. I do think his shot selection has improved recently, consequently his FG% has risen along with it. Naa reminds me of a miniature poodle. Have you ever owned a miniature poodle? They take about 40 breaths a second and anytime the ambient temperature drops below 68 degrees, their head starts convulsing into shivers. Their movements in themselves creates a kind of chaos.
Naa often creates his own chaos on the court. I could fix that for him with one lesson on zen. And then he would have a short zen session right before every game. It would settle him down and bring him into focus. He wouldnāt go out there on the court with the shakes and shivers. Thatās just a small tweak and he would be a completely different player. This is the reason why he typically starts off so poorly in games. He needs to get running to tire a bit and slow down his heart. Think of him as a poodle and all Iāve said here becomes clear.
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Make our web conversations a challenge in being out there on the edge as far as possible, without giving the blog police reason to complain. At times, youāve already succeeded. It was hilarious how you defended yourself and it backed down the critics. Thatās all brilliant banteringā¦ something really most of us in here like.
So donāt get all soft on us, or weāll kick you in your fruit sack!
Happy Weekend back to you!
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@drgnslayr comparing Naadir Tharpe to a miniature poodle is the best comparison I have ever heard. Thank you. You should come shotgun beers with @KUSTEVE and I sometime and we can come up with the rest of the teamās comparisons.
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Iām always thirsty!
If you focus in on watching Naa, youāll see a guy who wastes tons of motion, like a shivering poodle. He expends all that energy but he canāt stay in front of his man on defense. His motion is chaotic. Zen allows the mind to focus on motion. To break it down to itās simple necessity to go from point A to point B. No wasted energy, direct path. Visualize stance and the motion to go from A to B. Then visualize the entire context of playā¦ when you have that down, you are ready to close your session, walk out of the tunnel and go play basketball. Thatās what Naa needs to do.
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@iowajayhawk2005 : Glad youāre not just picking on Greene for poor shot selection and feel the same way about Naa. I too dislike the early threes. Even more so when theyāre misses. But Iām also guilty of throwing up a few a little too early so I canāt hate on a guy for that. Sometimes youāre feeling it. And sometimes youāre feeling it but theyāre not feeling you. Hopefully they will all learn with more experience and rear-end chewings from Self of when itās appropriate and when itās not. Or they could end up like me and never learn right and wrong and keep upsetting us allā¦
But itās obvious with Self that Tharpe has a green light while Greene has an amber thatās so close to red that when he makes a bad decision his butt is pulled.
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@iowajayhawk2005 Hehehe. My friend, I want to share my sage wisdom and advice with you concerning Mr. Greene that was told to me by a wise KU fan two months ago: His name is Brannen. This was after I used the name āBrennanā 14 times, so I have loads of experience. I have a theory about Brannen. Brannen is trying to prove himself. He might seem like a punk, but I think itās a kid trying to prove to everyone heās just as tough as the next guy. Iāll let you fill in the blanks for the underlying causes of that. Mr. Black will be extremely important to our team at some point this year. You cannot put out that much great karma and not be rewarded at some future point. Maybe itās a key block that sends us to the Final Four - maybe itās an earthshaking slam dunk that changes an entire gameā¦ at some point this season, Tarik is going to do something very special.
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@KUSTEVE I literally cannot spell his name. Iām over it.
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āAnd his suspension to start the season shows he makes bad decisions and was in the wrong place, wrong timeā has a bad connotation.
Tharpe was suspended for playing a basketball game during the summer outside his geographical home area, something only the NCAA thinks is wrong.
