The portal.
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1906676296282673549
This one doesn’t make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
LMAO
Like at least we are still recruiting given all the rumors out there but my god man.
The good news is Auburn has his brother so surely they will take him if they want.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1906676296282673549
This one doesn’t make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
LMAO
Like at least we are still recruiting given all the rumors out there but my god man.
The good news is Auburn has his brother so surely they will take him if they want.
I told you man it feels like they just look for who averages the most ppg in the portal and recruit based off that. We need to evaluate for FIT more than anything.
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@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school.
What is working for Duke? Signing FOUR top 20 recruits last year including the overall number 1 guy? They’ve done this crap for years. Cal made final fours too.
There were people around here crying that we needed more one and dones when that was “the thing to do”.
The idea that you want a coach who has 25 years of success doing something to instantly change is hilarious.
There is no formula he can change to guarantee success now. It’s all over. If people want to point out Duke as the “formula” then you have to overtake them at ESPN and other media to become the darling.
I’ve moved beyond thinking this is college basketball anymore and I suggest the rest of you do the same.
You are cheering for an AAU team with a college name on the jersey. You are cheering for a bank name on the floor of the court.
Have fun watching Peterson play one season. If that is what you are interested in you could have watched him this year on youtube. Oh, he will wear a Kansas jersey for a year and he’s a lifetime Jayhawk!! Do any of you consider Embiid a Jayhawk? He’s the poster child for all this crap. The dude is nonstop injured(including at Kansas) and only cares about maximizing his bank account.
I’m sure I’ll watch the games next year but only because I have a 15-year-old son who will turn them on.
I’ve said this here before and obviously, my opinion and/or fandom doesn’t matter but when Bill Self retires I’m out.
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@TYOHawk Thought we were on the right track with some other targets but maybe just luck
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@BigBad said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school.
What is working for Duke? Signing FOUR top 20 recruits last year including the overall number 1 guy? They’ve done this crap for years. Cal made final fours too.
There were people around here crying that we needed more one and dones when that was “the thing to do”.
The idea that you want a coach who has 25 years of success doing something to instantly change is hilarious.
There is no formula he can change to guarantee success now. It’s all over. If people want to point out Duke as the “formula” then you have to overtake them at ESPN and other media to become the darling.
I’ve moved beyond thinking this is college basketball anymore and I suggest the rest of you do the same.
You are cheering for an AAU team with a college name on the jersey. You are cheering for a bank name on the floor of the court.
Have fun watching Peterson play one season. If that is what you are interested in you could have watched him this year on youtube. Oh, he will wear a Kansas jersey for a year and he’s a lifetime Jayhawk!! Do any of you consider Embiid a Jayhawk? He’s the poster child for all this crap. The dude is nonstop injured(including at Kansas) and only cares about maximizing his bank account.
I’m sure I’ll watch the games next year but only because I have a 15-year-old son who will turn them on.
I’ve said this here before and obviously, my opinion and/or fandom doesn’t matter but when Bill Self retires I’m out.
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Thought we were on the right track with some other targets but maybe just luck
Lmao Self switched the search settings after Case tried to save him.
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
Does anyone consider this: DeJuan and KJ came to Kansas BEFORE NIL. DeJuan was a kid Self didn’t really want anyway. He comes from a horrible upbringing and does not have the academic background. Works his butt off in a redshirt year and then helps Kansas win a title. KJ is another hard worker who lost his mom to cancer while at Kansas.
Yet some of you act like its insane for Bill Self to show loyalty to two kids who basically represent everything he believes in.
If we had the 2008 team this year 90% of the young dumb fanbase would be crying about Darnell Jackson and Rus Rob. Coach is stupid man! he needs to play Sherron and Cole more or they will transfer! At least that argument would have been about actual studs on the bench. The idea that Flory and Coit/Moore were somehow going to take this team to the promise land was fools gold anyway.
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@TYOHawk Asked a friend (who happens to be a long time basketball coach) about him and he had this to say:
“I pray they don’t go that route. One of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. He has moments that make Zeke look like Tony Allen”
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Asked a friend (who happens to be a long time basketball coach) about him and he had this to say:
“I pray they don’t go that route. One of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. He has moments that make Zeke look like Tony Allen”
I’ll be rooting for Bruce Pearl to win this recruiting battle.
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@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
Does anyone consider this: DeJuan and KJ came to Kansas BEFORE NIL. DeJuan was a kid Self didn’t really want anyway. He comes from a horrible upbringing and does not have the academic background. Works his butt off in a redshirt year and then helps Kansas win a title. KJ is another hard worker who lost his mom to cancer while at Kansas.
Yet some of you act like its insane for Bill Self to show loyalty to two kids who basically represent everything he believes in.
If we had the 2008 team this year 90% of the young dumb fanbase would be crying about Darnell Jackson and Rus Rob. Coach is stupid man! he needs to play Sherron and Cole more or they will transfer! At least that argument would have been about actual studs on the bench. The idea that Flory and Coit/Moore were somehow going to take this team to the promise land was fools gold anyway.
Darnell Jackson was a NBA draft pick and Russ was worlds better than Harris. It sucks they went through personal tragedies at KU. But that doesnt mean you let your loyalty to them torpedo your program which Self did.
They always got excuses made for them. TRob lost his mom too…do you think Self gave him a pass for not rebounding like he did KJ cause he went through a personal tragedy?
Coach has always had favorites…it’s just that guys like Frank, Sherron, Devonte and others had rafters talent. This time he fell in love with mid major talent. That’s on him. He’s at fault for this mess as much as anyone.
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@TYOHawk Just start the Fire Bill Self thread.
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@BigBad hope you stick around. As with your feeling about Self, my feeling about this board goes beyond basketball. If we scattered to the wind, I’d miss the conversation and the diversity of opinions we have here. Would happily talk about anything, if theres something else everyone is interested in. We can pivot and make new buckets to talk about other stuff.
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@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Just start the Fire Bill Self thread.
Wanting Bill to change and not play favorites doesn’t mean I want him fired. I want him to run the program and not a charity organization. Play the best players. Amateurism is gone so treat it as such.
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@drgnslayr One thing I want to push back against with your thoughts on UH is that they have absolutely had NBA talent during this run. Since 2019, they’ve had 8 players drafted so he hasn’t had this run without NBA talent.
Also, I know some here think Hurley is the current best coach in college basketball, but outside of two titles, he’s never been past the first weekend in the NCAA Tournament. This year is also Bruce Pearl’s first time past the first weekend since 2019.
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I come here for KU basketball only. Careful @approxinfinity the “other stuff” has driven off many of the old posters. I mostly use the block feature on people whom can’t stick to KU basketball.
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@dylans well seems like we are interested in tv shows, gardening, wisconsin basketball, and probably a few other things most people can get behind?
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Royals and Chiefs! KU fb and other KU sports
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@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
Does anyone consider this: DeJuan and KJ came to Kansas BEFORE NIL. DeJuan was a kid Self didn’t really want anyway. He comes from a horrible upbringing and does not have the academic background. Works his butt off in a redshirt year and then helps Kansas win a title. KJ is another hard worker who lost his mom to cancer while at Kansas.
Yet some of you act like its insane for Bill Self to show loyalty to two kids who basically represent everything he believes in.
If we had the 2008 team this year 90% of the young dumb fanbase would be crying about Darnell Jackson and Rus Rob. Coach is stupid man! he needs to play Sherron and Cole more or they will transfer! At least that argument would have been about actual studs on the bench. The idea that Flory and Coit/Moore were somehow going to take this team to the promise land was fools gold anyway.
Comparing guys like Jackson whom was drafted to a guy like KJ that likely is done with basketball is laughable. KJ and Juan are great guys and would’ve been fine serving in back up roles. I’ve always said KJ should’ve been a Mitch Lightfoot type of player. RusRob I think is somewhat comparable to Juan but was better defensively. Collins played plenty very similar to Remy in the 2022 tournament they pretty much went 50/50 for PT.
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Just start the Fire Bill Self thread.
Wanting Bill to change and not play favorites doesn’t mean I want him fired. I want him to run the program and not a charity organization. Play the best players. Amateurism is gone so treat it as such.
BINGO!! Everytime someone disagrees with Self or thinks he needs to change, doesn’t mean fire his ass right this second. We such a nation of absolutes right now
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People are screaming foul with Flory on X as he officially enters the portal with a no contact clause. They are saying g his handler was on contract with a dozen schools mid season on. Just waiting on the biggest bag they can get.
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Now Griffin is in the portal
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@kjayhawks From what I’ve read that didn’t happen until his minutes got cut after he dominated the stretch filling in for KJ.
The argument from KU’s side is he is all about the money but that doesn’t add up with the timeline to start shopping mid season. The minute cut and how he was handled by Self is what spurred them to say, “screw it let’s go get minutes so Flory can flourish and grab the bag”
If Flory had been playing and was happy here - you know it would have been “hey KU just bump his pay and let’s get this done” - instead it’s screw you for sitting Flory an nba talent behind kj after Flory proved it with double doubles and not fouling out - we are done and going elsewhere
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@CasterTroy Shocking - didn’t see that one coming!!!
Bama buddy coming in clutch mid season
Man the turmoil this season was insane all because Self said he wanted the big 3 to be who everything ran through
What a incorrect view of their talent
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Hey, we still have a starting 5, but no bench!
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@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
Comparing guys like Jackson whom was drafted to a guy like KJ that likely is done with basketball is laughable. KJ and Juan are great guys and would’ve been fine serving in back up roles. I’ve always said KJ should’ve been a Mitch Lightfoot type of player. RusRob I think is somewhat comparable to Juan but was better defensively. Collins played plenty very similar to Remy in the 2022 tournament they pretty much went 50/50 for PT.
I’m comparing FAN REACTION. Cole had WAY more upside than Kaun or Jackson. The modern fan would ABSOLUTELY be annoyed when Kaun missed a layup or Jackson couldn’t shoot beyond 15’.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Did you think that we might be looking at our Foot Ball program possibly being in a better position then our Basketball in this current status ?- -I sure didn’t. Our Football future looking bright our Basket ball-- -right now , doesn’t look like.
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@BigBad About a month ago I was arguing with people here about Peterson, but I thought it was Patterson?? Anyways I took wasn’t excited and a lot of people were talking about the impact he’ll have on the program because other kids will want to come here too. They said Embiid and Higgins or is it Wiggins (I can never remember because he’s kind of not a Jayhawk to me) led to better recruiting which culminated in a Natty and a FF a few years before. Not sure about that, but there also wasn’t this inane portal back then either. Unless Patterson joins some other studs ala Duke this year, then whatever.
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@BigBad I’ve ben saying for a long time other friends of mine- -not here but on the outside I’ve been saying how much the NIL & this joke of a portal has ruined the Game of Colleg Basketball.-- THERE IS o such thing as College Basketball anymore.
With what they have done with NIL and the portal all it is now is a minor league for the pro’s hell half these kids don’t give a flying F - - - about the School itself it’s just show me the money- -they don’t care about the name on the front of the Jersey. All it has become is a Giant meat market- - If your lucky and you land a legit player and win the bidding war---- -you might get a top Sirloin ( - -well done-- and if you strike out you if your lucky will get a Oscar Myer Weine -and not even a plumper at that
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@TYOHawk Do we remember who Frank and Devonte both were recruited by BEFORE Coach Self started recruiting them.–Most of the Schols were those so called schools recruiting them BEFORE SLEF was mid major.-- Then you have idiots that said Self couldn’t develop players.-- sure look like they became much , better players AFTER they had been here for some years
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@dylans I don’t know how to use the block feature because if I did I’d sure use it on some here, I know plenty block me and that’s fine I’m still here but tell me so I too can block some Dum ass
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@SlimShaddy54 I’m hearing Flory is back at his handlers house in Indiana and they are offering him a minimum of 2 Million to be a Hoosier. Not sure I’d match that offer for a guy that’s likely 2 years away from being a lottery pick.
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@kjayhawks Asking, cause I don’t know-- but does a lottery ( top 15 ) right lottery ) do they make more then two million in the rooie campaign ? -Sorry I’m not that aware.
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Do we remember who Frank and Devonte both were recruited by BEFORE Coach Self started recruiting them.–Most of the Schols were those so called schools recruiting them BEFORE SLEF was mid major.-- Then you have idiots that said Self couldn’t develop players.-- sure look like they became much , better players AFTER they had been here for some years
Development now is 6 months. Which is FAKE. In reality these guys are not developing anyone, they are just good at quick roster builds.
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So what’s the latest recruiting of Josh Dix ?- -is he no longer an option ? - -I thought we were in on him pretty good. All these departures and then rumor on Coach sure can’t help I know
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@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Do we remember who Frank and Devonte both were recruited by BEFORE Coach Self started recruiting them.–Most of the Schols were those so called schools recruiting them BEFORE SLEF was mid major.-- Then you have idiots that said Self couldn’t develop players.-- sure look like they became much , better players AFTER they had been here for some years
Frank Mason was a success story and deserves all the praise in the world. But Frank was an elite athlete and guys like Jerry Meyer routinely said he was undervalued.
Devonte was a top 45 recruit when he was at Brewster on Rivals. Bossi and others were pretty high on him after his post-grad year at Brewster.
I’d argue for Ochai and CB as success stories in that regard. But they were elite athletes…Dajuan was never that.
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@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@dylans well seems like we are interested in tv shows, gardening, wisconsin basketball, and probably a few other things most people can get behind?
I’d still love to see a KU Baseball section on here!
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Hearing now therre is a legit chance Bryson Tiller maybe considering transfer. – Hearing that could possibly know something on Josh Dix in the next week.
Podcast feels that Josh Dix at this point should be our # one priority- -then even though Hall has some drawbacks still feel he is our # two priority- -stating that the kid is a bruiser, and he does get to the line quite a few times, something we have been missing these last couple of years and makes them too.
Hearing Florys portal decision was more then just about the Money- -sems to think there was a trust issue with the Coaching staff along with some other players feeling there was a trust issue.
Florys people was not happy about Florys development and also Handler said they were leaving the door open possibly to return-- - But really don’t count on it. don’t
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Assume that Flory is definitely gone??? If he does end up staying, he, DP and Elmarko would provide a pretty strong foundation. Add Dix and Hall, and that would be a salty starting 5. But trust there is a lot more portal drama ahead, coming and going…
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Seems like —$2mil for Flory is going rate or less. Hope we offer him something competitive.
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@approxinfinity he would help get the ball rolling! An oop at least!
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I’m trying to clean up my language, so to all the KU players entering the portal - intercourse you and don’t let the door hit you in the hiney
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The annual postseason banquet was canceled.
1, 2, 3 FAMILY!
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Bad news
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@BigBad said in The portal.:
The annual postseason banquet was canceled.
1, 2, 3 FAMILY!
Tells you how Bill feels about this season. Says it all really.
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Tweet just said ‘KU fans like to complain about NIL hurting the program, but KU has more NIL to spend than anyone else. This is a program problem.’ What do you think.
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Read from TOS Rak ease was interviewed , and said he could return back to KU
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@wissox said in The portal.:
Tweet just said ‘KU fans like to complain about NIL hurting the program, but KU has more NIL to spend than anyone else. This is a program problem.’ What do you think.
I partially agree with this statement. NIL is hurting the program because Self can’t build a program his preferred way of letting players develop. Too many freshmen don’t have the patience to wait their turn anymore as we’ve seen.
John Calipari said after Arkansas lost to Tech I think, or at least sometime during the tournament, that NIL has largely killed high school recruiting. Most top programs value experience over everything and since they’re in win now mode every year instead of being allowed “rebuid” years, programs aren’t recruiting HS kids the same way anymore.
A couple of schools are still largely building, retaining, and developing their own players rather than building through the portal and those Purdue and Marquette. It can be done, but KU isn’t a place where fans are patient enough for that anymore. If this fanbase was collectively patient enough for that, Self probably could make that still happen.
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@RockkChalkk done! added a couple categories, including KU Baseball.
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Clearly the transfer portal and the NIL are not working. It sucks and has ruined college sports. I honestly have no issue with either the idea of the NIL or the portal but in tandem there have to be contracts and commitments and all the stuff that goes along with every other (professional) sports leagues. That goes for both the schools/businesses and the students/employees.
Want to commit to a school as a frosh? 1 year commitment like the old signing days. (I’d prefer 2, but at least this keeps rosters in check)
Transfer as a soph/junior … 2-year contract to whichever school. They have to keep you and pay you. No one year hopping around BS. Leave early and you sit a year.
Transfer as a senior. Sky is the limit.
That would at least settle stuff down for building teams 1-2 years. For the fans, you know.
