The portal.
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This fanbase across various sites, including some here, are truly living down to some of the most negative stereotypes about KU fans being snobs. I don’t understand the ego and mentality it takes (including some here) to be more happy and gloating about potentially being right about the demise of Bill Self than caring more about having a successful team and program. To those people, all I have to say is fuck off, KU doesn’t need or want you as fans.
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@kuballin10 No, the last two years prove we had problems but they don’t prove that your take on the cause of our problems is right.
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Oh crap, I just heard the news about Flory. It was a gut punch out of the blue from my UCLA friend just now. Dammit, he was the one bright spot this year.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 PHOF.
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Jalil Bethea has a final four of Alabama, KState, NCState, and a return to Miami.
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@Jhawk69 Favoritism to the detriment of the program - was told I’m insane
Self’s presser mentioning his sons proved that
The blowup in Utah….
Us looking great in November when guys had freedom and then it’s stripped away
Sucks to watch us become Indiana or UCLA but Grandpa Bill needs to give the car keys over to the next generation - he’s legitimately unable to adjust his style of play
Oh and DP isn’t nearly this rock-solid commitment especially after today’s disaster
Better hope Flory ends up back at KU because word on the street is DP doesn’t want to play for a “1 year away from a title KU team”
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I have basically no interest in minor league sports. Especially one that changes the entire roster yearly. What a complete mess this has all become.
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@kuballin10 Stronger argument that Hunter is the issue.
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Passmore is the next domino to fall it looks.
Hall had his zoom call with the staff, TBD next.
Dix took his Illinois visit. Their board is a bit optimistic he lands there it seems
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I hate college basketball.
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I feel about the same
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I’m getting there too
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There it is…Passmore
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I’ll root for that kid on the next stop.
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As sad as I am to see Passmore leaving I can see it from his side of the fence. There were several games this season when he got hooked and pulled out of the game after one mistake while others were allowed to make dozens without Bill even seeming to get on them. Like my grandfather used to say when you pray for rain you have to deal with the mud sometimes. Bill made his bed and now he has to deal with the consequences no matter how unfortunate it is for us.
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@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
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Passmore was a top 50 recruit? Never saw even a flash from him. Maybe the next stop he will live up to his HS ranking.
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@BShark I don’t agree with that but let just have to hope things work out. He looked like a good player in a few years if he stuck around. We ain’t gonna be able to get a bunch portal guys that want to sit on the bench
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@dylans said in The portal.:
Passmore was a top 50 recruit? Never saw even a flash from him. Maybe the next stop he will live up to his HS ranking.
He averaged less than 5 minutes per game, a little tough to showcase a lot in those situations
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@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
@BShark I don’t agree with that but let just have to hope things work out. He looked like a good player in a few years if he stuck around. We ain’t gonna be able to get a bunch portal guys that want to sit on the bench
Ask @TYOHawk about my Passmore information. It comes from the best possible place. There is also a small scenario where he would be back but I would not bet money on that.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
Yeah, I wish there was time to develop anymore…
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Like a young Och or CB.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
Yeah, I wish there was time to develop anymore…
I think things are going to have to settle down with transfers and NIL in a year or two.
We have to weather the storm. And hope Self is the right guy to deal with fresh players every year. Off the top it sure doesn’t seem like it.
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@BShark I guess we can hope to be Dook and have all new players but 1 or 2. I just don’t realistically see it working in Selfs system
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Up until this year, I always backed Bill, especially if something went down with a player. This year I changed and backed the players over Bill. That didn’t come easy to do. I still am a huge fan of Bill. Something has happened and I think we are all in the dark on what has happened within the program. At this point, it really sickens me to listen to fans criticizing our players.
Congrats to Houston! Sampson is absolutely one of the best coaches in D1. They are a team full of non-NBA talent that worked hard, plays as a team, and leaves their guts on the court!
I’m a fan of college ball. When KU stinks like they have the past few years, I still remain a Jayhawk but I don’t give up on supporting players and teams everywhere. Maybe this will piss off some of you…. I am going to mention other teams and my appreciation makes me compare directions to us. First is Houston. They’ve been on the edge of greatness for some time and that final lift was joining the B12. Sampson doesn’t need pro-bound players in his system.
Hold your noses now…. I’m a fan of Pope at Kentucky. It had to be a challenge coming in after Cal. His first year outperformed us in March. It took him all year to defeat the critics in their fan base.
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school. And I didn’t like Scheyer right from the start. But he has done something similar to what ratface did…. He developed a winning system. It’s hard to imagine that we beat them this year. Had we drawn them in March… get real… they would have beat us by 50. They are a team of youth and new players and you wouldn’t know it now. I thought this team would meltdown in March because of counting on youth and no way I believe it now. They have to be the fav to win it all. Makes me want to barf but it makes me compare how they got there. They did it by developing Scheyer then using his knowledge and youthful energy as their base. They brought in a GM to be better prepared in recruiting and NIL. They have built an excellent basketball atmosphere around their program. Their students do creative projects to build team support. They seem to have more past stars constantly involved. They easily have the most to offer top recruits. So they are the future of revolving door basketball. What makes them different is their understanding of what it takes to win. Cal never had a real plan. He lived off of boasting how many players he got into the league only. I still hate Duke, but I’m taking notes.
I’m watching all these other programs… UCONN, Auburn, Houston…. then I look at us and I don’t think we can recruit enough to play with the big boys today. It still seems like we aren’t going in the right direction. To me, it feels like we aren’t keeping up with top teams. Recruiting a top tier player isn’t going to cut it. The stakes have gone up around us. Our league is losing esteem to the SEC. Not sure we can win our own league again anytime soon. We no longer can blame being investigated by the NCAA for why we aren’t sizzling with talent.
Burying our heads in the sand won’t improve things. I will always be a Jayhawk and will continue to throw in my lousy 2 cents on how to make it better.
HOW TO IMPROVE -
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Build more basketball atmosphere - be more creative building student enthusiasm. Yes… we have great student enthusiasm but we can do better developing closer and better connective enthusiasm with our team. We need more than late night, and late night needs an overhaul. You want to recruit more players excited from our basketball environment, then build it up more. I love having the rules but how many recruits did it win over? Involve more of our legend players into the atmosphere.
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Resolve coaching situation - I’m not calling for Bill to resign, but we need to acknowledge that something isn’t working properly. This became obvious this year. We were probably the most-experienced team in D1 but we played like a high school team. It was more than having a bad match of players. These guys didn’t improve at all this entire season and may have even gone backwards. An easy cop out is to blame the character of the players. Then explain why the transfers mostly had huge drop offs in their stats. This stupid idea that they just got spoiled on NIL shows an ignorance in knowing the psyche of players. None of these guys got to this level without wanting to win and having good personal pride. I’m convinced if we don’t have a change from this year’s approach, we are headed for the same thing next year, regardless of the talent we bring in. To win, our guys need to overachieve.
My guess is Bill has lost his edge after his heart problem. And up to now, we haven’t adjusted to make things better. I think we need a GM. We will be hiring one eventually and by waiting we are just delaying the benefits. I think we need a shake up in assistant coaches, too. Had we been smart like Duke, we would have been developing Self’s replacement for years. Seems to me Scheyer was an assistant for many years… maybe 8 years? I seriously doubt Self goes more than 1 or 2 years. If next year goes like this year, he will be gone. Not because he gets fired but he’ll leave on his own to save his legacy.
Did players develop this year? I can make arguments for Zeke and Flory only. I think both mostly improved by getting PT. Flory did seem to learn the most.
I feel like we suffered a black eye by recruiting Hunter over Zuby and Udeh. Not only did we lose those guys, it may have had an impression on Flory now. Every man for himself! I think Flory lost some enthusiasm after he played well when KJ went down, then came back and regained most or all of his minutes. Flory stumbled after that.
I’ve always felt like Bill was a player’s coach. He constantly goes to bat for his players. But this year he seemed to only be close with Juan and KJ. I didn’t sense a closeness on this team with Self like he used to have with his players. I remember how close he was with Sherron…. Frank…. and many/most of his guys. Granted, he had those guys for 4-5 years.
I think Bill is going in the wrong direction. His coaching model should be like Sampson… recruit athletic players coming to be developed. Then develop them. Sprinkle in a transfer or two. But we’ve never been a coaching staff capable enough to develop faster. What would have happened with KJ had he gone to Houston? I feel comfortable in saying he would have had a shot at the NBA. All those Houston guys can play and none have KJs athleticism. I firmly believe Bill needs better help around him. It won’t happen because of his loyalty.
Look at the Final Four and how these teams got there. Auburn… Pearl is a motivator! It helps him recruit and develop, and he’s the best cheerleader in games. Houston… Sampson knows how to develop players and teams. Duke… has the total basketball environment! Florida…. I don’t know enough about but feel sure they must have their strong suit.
I want to be optimistic but give me a reason for it! Maybe it’s enough to land better talent… but I doubt it. Bill is a HOFr for a reason and I’m holding on to that plus he has made changes before. I’m just afraid that the changes he needs to make now involve going against his loyalty.
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@drgnslayr thanks for taking the time to reason out this stance very well.
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@drgnslayr Awesome post! It took me a while this season to see, but I really soured on what I was seeing and started to think more and more about the next KU coach. Worried about the ‘blue blood falloff’. Nebraska football, Indiana basketball being the prime examples. Rabid fans expecting a high finish to the season, sometimes unrealistically.
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https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1906676296282673549
This one doesn’t make much sense to me but we do need bodies
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@BShark said in The portal.:
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1906676296282673549
This one doesn’t make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
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@kjayhawks Were going to have many new players for sure, my main worry now is that we are going to struggle even getting Portal players at this present time because if they become of aware of the /coaching status and even the slightest possibility of Self being gone then it will cause issues bit knowing who the /coach will be they will be playing for…
I will also say if now just saying guys that if this becomes reality then whoever comes in as our next Coach is going to be in a vey tough spot following our HOF Coach He is going to be in a tough spot trying to maintain the winning history of the program , and then having to come in with almost having to construct a whole new roster.
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@drgnslayr a 100% spot on buddy, I’m in agreement with you. People above are mad at the idea of a GM but it appears to be working well for Duke.
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@SlimShaddy54 right I just struggle to think we will have more than one rotation player on campus right now with Jackson. Those deeper roster spot will be hard to fill thru the portal. Guys won’t want to come in to be the 10th guy in 7-8 man rotation.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1906676296282673549
This one doesn’t make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
LMAO
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1906676296282673549
This one doesn’t make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
LMAO
Like at least we are still recruiting given all the rumors out there but my god man.
The good news is Auburn has his brother so surely they will take him if they want.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1906676296282673549
This one doesn’t make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
LMAO
Like at least we are still recruiting given all the rumors out there but my god man.
The good news is Auburn has his brother so surely they will take him if they want.
I told you man it feels like they just look for who averages the most ppg in the portal and recruit based off that. We need to evaluate for FIT more than anything.
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@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school.
What is working for Duke? Signing FOUR top 20 recruits last year including the overall number 1 guy? They’ve done this crap for years. Cal made final fours too.
There were people around here crying that we needed more one and dones when that was “the thing to do”.
The idea that you want a coach who has 25 years of success doing something to instantly change is hilarious.
There is no formula he can change to guarantee success now. It’s all over. If people want to point out Duke as the “formula” then you have to overtake them at ESPN and other media to become the darling.
I’ve moved beyond thinking this is college basketball anymore and I suggest the rest of you do the same.
You are cheering for an AAU team with a college name on the jersey. You are cheering for a bank name on the floor of the court.
Have fun watching Peterson play one season. If that is what you are interested in you could have watched him this year on youtube. Oh, he will wear a Kansas jersey for a year and he’s a lifetime Jayhawk!! Do any of you consider Embiid a Jayhawk? He’s the poster child for all this crap. The dude is nonstop injured(including at Kansas) and only cares about maximizing his bank account.
I’m sure I’ll watch the games next year but only because I have a 15-year-old son who will turn them on.
I’ve said this here before and obviously, my opinion and/or fandom doesn’t matter but when Bill Self retires I’m out.
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@TYOHawk Thought we were on the right track with some other targets but maybe just luck
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@BigBad said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school.
What is working for Duke? Signing FOUR top 20 recruits last year including the overall number 1 guy? They’ve done this crap for years. Cal made final fours too.
There were people around here crying that we needed more one and dones when that was “the thing to do”.
The idea that you want a coach who has 25 years of success doing something to instantly change is hilarious.
There is no formula he can change to guarantee success now. It’s all over. If people want to point out Duke as the “formula” then you have to overtake them at ESPN and other media to become the darling.
I’ve moved beyond thinking this is college basketball anymore and I suggest the rest of you do the same.
You are cheering for an AAU team with a college name on the jersey. You are cheering for a bank name on the floor of the court.
Have fun watching Peterson play one season. If that is what you are interested in you could have watched him this year on youtube. Oh, he will wear a Kansas jersey for a year and he’s a lifetime Jayhawk!! Do any of you consider Embiid a Jayhawk? He’s the poster child for all this crap. The dude is nonstop injured(including at Kansas) and only cares about maximizing his bank account.
I’m sure I’ll watch the games next year but only because I have a 15-year-old son who will turn them on.
I’ve said this here before and obviously, my opinion and/or fandom doesn’t matter but when Bill Self retires I’m out.
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Thought we were on the right track with some other targets but maybe just luck
Lmao Self switched the search settings after Case tried to save him.
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@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
Does anyone consider this: DeJuan and KJ came to Kansas BEFORE NIL. DeJuan was a kid Self didn’t really want anyway. He comes from a horrible upbringing and does not have the academic background. Works his butt off in a redshirt year and then helps Kansas win a title. KJ is another hard worker who lost his mom to cancer while at Kansas.
Yet some of you act like its insane for Bill Self to show loyalty to two kids who basically represent everything he believes in.
If we had the 2008 team this year 90% of the young dumb fanbase would be crying about Darnell Jackson and Rus Rob. Coach is stupid man! he needs to play Sherron and Cole more or they will transfer! At least that argument would have been about actual studs on the bench. The idea that Flory and Coit/Moore were somehow going to take this team to the promise land was fools gold anyway.
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@TYOHawk Asked a friend (who happens to be a long time basketball coach) about him and he had this to say:
“I pray they don’t go that route. One of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. He has moments that make Zeke look like Tony Allen”
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@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Asked a friend (who happens to be a long time basketball coach) about him and he had this to say:
“I pray they don’t go that route. One of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. He has moments that make Zeke look like Tony Allen”
I’ll be rooting for Bruce Pearl to win this recruiting battle.
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@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
Does anyone consider this: DeJuan and KJ came to Kansas BEFORE NIL. DeJuan was a kid Self didn’t really want anyway. He comes from a horrible upbringing and does not have the academic background. Works his butt off in a redshirt year and then helps Kansas win a title. KJ is another hard worker who lost his mom to cancer while at Kansas.
Yet some of you act like its insane for Bill Self to show loyalty to two kids who basically represent everything he believes in.
If we had the 2008 team this year 90% of the young dumb fanbase would be crying about Darnell Jackson and Rus Rob. Coach is stupid man! he needs to play Sherron and Cole more or they will transfer! At least that argument would have been about actual studs on the bench. The idea that Flory and Coit/Moore were somehow going to take this team to the promise land was fools gold anyway.
Darnell Jackson was a NBA draft pick and Russ was worlds better than Harris. It sucks they went through personal tragedies at KU. But that doesnt mean you let your loyalty to them torpedo your program which Self did.
They always got excuses made for them. TRob lost his mom too…do you think Self gave him a pass for not rebounding like he did KJ cause he went through a personal tragedy?
Coach has always had favorites…it’s just that guys like Frank, Sherron, Devonte and others had rafters talent. This time he fell in love with mid major talent. That’s on him. He’s at fault for this mess as much as anyone.
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@TYOHawk Just start the Fire Bill Self thread.
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@BigBad hope you stick around. As with your feeling about Self, my feeling about this board goes beyond basketball. If we scattered to the wind, I’d miss the conversation and the diversity of opinions we have here. Would happily talk about anything, if theres something else everyone is interested in. We can pivot and make new buckets to talk about other stuff.
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@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Just start the Fire Bill Self thread.
Wanting Bill to change and not play favorites doesn’t mean I want him fired. I want him to run the program and not a charity organization. Play the best players. Amateurism is gone so treat it as such.
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@drgnslayr One thing I want to push back against with your thoughts on UH is that they have absolutely had NBA talent during this run. Since 2019, they’ve had 8 players drafted so he hasn’t had this run without NBA talent.
Also, I know some here think Hurley is the current best coach in college basketball, but outside of two titles, he’s never been past the first weekend in the NCAA Tournament. This year is also Bruce Pearl’s first time past the first weekend since 2019.
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I come here for KU basketball only. Careful @approxinfinity the “other stuff” has driven off many of the old posters. I mostly use the block feature on people whom can’t stick to KU basketball.
