If Bill’s roster falls apart…
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@jay4ever said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@FarmerJayhawk That’s the point.
Miami who is terrible and MSU who doesn’t really use the portal? Unless it’s sarcasm I missed?
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As you said when he lets them play free and get out offensively. We are a better team when/if we play hard and without fear. Really it is without having to worry about being pulled if you take a non-Self shot from three which is a missed shots. Let them sort it out. When you go 1 out of 12 over two games there are options like Storr over Rylan or Coit over Shak. If you dog it getting back on defense or don’t fight around a screen, etc, then you deserve to be put in time out. I agree with 61-59 as a loser and we have gone three out of five wins over and over this season. Bill is a great coach so you will have to take it up on yourself to make a splash and if you can’t do that which is not likely with AJ or Rylan then we see 18 minutes for Flory and 30+ for KJ. No one will step it up over six games that I can see.
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@FarmerJayhawk I think the point is he’d get more run, be better and showcase more
Same with Cam Spencer last year. If he came to KU he wouldn’t have been as successful
Griffen and AJ proved it at other schools. Both were more successful elsewhere
Rylan shoots a 3 and if he misses he’s looking over his shoulder. At bama Oats is screaming keep shooting
Self should elevate all his players to get the absolute best out of them. Instead he admitted to mind f’n AJ and speaks of those transfers not coming along quick enough. They’ve proven it elsewhere so it’s his philosophy and system that’s the issue not elevating his guys.
Imagine if he treated those guys the same as his 3 boys? Maybe they would play better.
Talked with multiple buddies who are all diehards like us and they are seeing the same thing. Long leash, his favorites, body language by guys getting the quick yank ect
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Another example - Liam McNeely had 38 last night in a 70-66 win at creighton
No way he is allowed to shoot 22 times here as a frosh. I doubt DP will be allowed to do that.
Gotta play dolla bill’s system and he’s a frosh so missing 1 three that Bill doesn’t agree with and you get the bench until mid second half
Kease got the yank for a 3 where the ball worked inside out. Hand down man down and bill still didn’t care
This is why guys don’t play with confidence here. Don’t shoot 3’s, win 54-52….man just retire this year Bill let’s bring in a coach who can adapt and let guys play loose
Watch us actually elevate once he does
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It is great to hear high profile coaches talk about Kansas as a destination school. If we are spoiled ass Kansas fans I would like to be spoiled for another couple decades
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@kuballin10 I would be shocked/stunned if we didn’t change our tempo next year, or at least give it an extended run. - With the make up of what is a good foundation of very up tempo with ( Flory if he returns ) - -Peterson - -Diggy ( if he comes back -you will have a very solid for this to work with.
Go to the portal get you a couple of smooth SF or Guards/combo- - Hell MAYBE Rylan will come back- -lol , doubtful but maybe, I think Rylan would thrive bette in a more open style up tempo game then this whatever were running now.
believe it or not players love getting out and go Coach ha the wrong type of players in this offense to fit -you can’t put thorough Breds in a dam Mule race–won’t work. As I stated in another post, the offense Bill is running just looks like a mess- -ugly to watch, bogs down , no flo , no rhythm.-- Like I say I would think with the possible make up of next yrs roster- -you got to change tempo.-- Griffen , Peterson , Flory , Diggy would be a great start
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@SlimShaddy54 I’d love that but it is never been who Bill is. He wants to win ugly and win defensive shootouts and “play bad but make the other team play worse”
Rather than just focusing on us playing our best he tried to hedge against us playing poorly instead of trying to maximize playing great ball
I’ve never seen a bill self team run until they are down double digits. It’s why we have so many upsets because we have horses he just holds them back from running
No teams have been like Roy’s brand of ball. The closest was the Graham-svi-Malik-Vick team that just ran to Chuck 3’s. They were seniored enough that Bill couldn’t yank them all. We then got Dok back reverted to slow it down and throw it inside and got boatraced avainst nova. We didn’t defend the 3 point line cause Bill hates “easy baskets” which to him is defend inside-out because he can’t grasp that a shot close to the rim albeit guarded is still more difficult than a wide open 3.
His thinking is drastically flawed. You’d think he’d see all of KJ’s “close to the basket” misses versus a zeke wide open 3 and figure out the zeke 3 is better BUT NOPE he prefers throwing it in to kj or getting kj 1v1 for a last second completely contested shot - because it’s uh uh closer to the basket so don’t analytics say uh uh that’s a higher percentage shot??? - no Bill ur analytics department needs to be fired
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@kuballin10 LOL “…no Bill ur analytics department needs to be fired” - he needs to start using Deepsheeet - AI-powered Sports Analyst.
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Diggy said he would be eager to return next year. Does have the extra year. Hopefully he does
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@BeddieKU23 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
Diggy said he would be eager to return next year. Does have the extra year. Hopefully he does
As long as he’s fine with being a back up. If he’s expecting to start of Elmarko, or anyone else Self and staff may bring in, then it’s going to be a problem.
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The guards for next season appear to be Elmarko, Diggy, Peterson, and McDowell.
Passmore could play the 2 as well, but he’s more of a wing with Storr and Griffen.
We all thought we’d lose more players to the portal than we did last season and NIL was likely a huge part of that.
I know not many people really want to see AJ Storr return, but with how much he’s allegedly making in NIL here this season, does he return because of financial reasons? Does anybody know if he’s still with his girlfriend that was a big factor in transferring to KU or have they broken up at some point?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I know one of the radio guys was talking to Storr, post game, about his gf. Seems good.
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Discussion somewhere on these pages of thinking of names to replace Self (which I’m not advocating for). I’ve always like Fred Hoiberg. I’m sure someone tells me what’s wrong with that but he was good at ISU, been decent at a place which has never had winning basketball in Nebraska and I think is still young enough, 52 to get some good years out of. Given the recruiting advantages of KU he might do well. I don’t know the assistant coach ranks well enough to even mention anyone. Mid major coaches like Self was of course grow up into superstars too. But we can’t make the mistake of hiring someone who raced to the Elite 8/FF surprising everyone along the way thinking he’ll be the next great thing. The guy at Seton Hall who stayed local after St. Peters beat highly seeded Kentucky a few years back. SHall isn’t all that great. Frankly I’m not looking forward to it happening but it will.
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bill step away after one of the next few seasons including this one.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 It is right up bills alley to stick with coit over ej or some recruit we bring in
For some reason bill likes how diggy plays but we won’t win a title or even big 12 title with him starting or getting big minutes
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I love that Diggy is coming back. He’s a perfect 8/9th man and won’t chase away any portal guys
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I’m still trying to wrap my head around this—just look at this dude!
Flo lives to rack up points! He’s a blocking machine, crashes the boards like a pro…
So why isn’t he getting more touches? Does the coach believe in him? Do his teammates trust him to deliver?
He’s a STRIKER. FLO LOVES TO PUT BALLS IN THE NETS. LET HIM COOK!
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I don’t care if everyone else is leaving, but Flo must not go.
Can you imagine him and Sammy, DP kicking everybody’s arses! I’m keeping my hopes up.
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@jay4ever said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
I’m still trying to wrap my head around this—just look at this dude!
Flo lives to rack up points! He’s a blocking machine, crashes the boards like a pro…
So why isn’t he getting more touches? Does the coach believe in him? Do his teammates trust him to deliver?
He’s a STRIKER. FLO LOVES TO PUT BALLS IN THE NETS. LET HIM COOK!
He’s not strong enough and he fouls too much. On defense, he still falls for seemingly every shot fake which leads to him picking up a bunch of cheap fouls. He’s also just not physically strong enough to dominate yet. He’s had plenty of rebounds stolen from him and he gets pushed off his spot too easily around other bigs.
The fouling issue will hopefully come with experience and he learns the game more. The second issue with his strength will be fixed in time and we should see a huge leap next season once he goes through a full off season strength and conditioning program and starts to fill out his frame more. The key there is determining what his ideal weight is to added the necessary strength while keeping his explosiveness .
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Fair enough. Are you coach Nijeem? That’s what he’s been telling Flo. I hear ya. That’s why he needs minutes. We’ve seen KJ lost ball just as much. One thing coaching staff never corrects, his arms are always hanging instead of anticipate passes. Flo is born ready… to score. But yeah, I guess he needs to be able to protect ball in possession and learn how to lock down in the paint, etc…
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@jay4ever said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Fair enough. Are you coach Nijeem? That’s what he’s been telling Flo. I hear ya. That’s why he needs minutes. We’ve seen KJ lost ball just as much. One thing coaching staff never corrects, his arms are always hanging instead of anticipate passes. Flo is born ready… to score. But yeah, I guess he needs to be able to protect ball in possession and learn how to lock down in the paint, etc…
More game minutes doesn’t fix Flory’s strength issue. There is no short cut for Flory bulking up, he just needs time in the weight room as he continues to physically mature. KJ’s issues are not the same as Flory’s. KJ rarely loses a ball once he gains possession of it. He just has stone hands and struggles to gain possession of the ball at times.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 as long as Flory’s strength isnt a health risk, the benefits of his play outweigh the limitations. If he gets stripped three times a game, or muscled out, he still is super active on the glass; he is getting stripped because he is getting to balls that KJ does not. Nobody would accuse Kevin Durant of being strong (I know they are very different players). You dont need to be strong to have a positive impact.
Also, I know you are an advocate for more even minute distribution. Yes, KJ is more mature, but I see Flory being capable of being more effective in most situations than KJ right now.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Huh that doesn’t compute with his performances when he started and played 25-30 mpg
What are you basing your analysis on exactly because it isn’t results when given the minutes
You sound like what the staff thinks will happen if he gets extended run but it was proven the opposite actually……and you’re still claiming “not strong enough - pushed off his spot” as some highly objective analysis.
Flory opens up the offense but more importantly is so impactful on defense with an actual rim protector. He blocks AND alters shots.
If dolla bill actually cared about defense and “stopping easy baskets” - Flory would never come out. More proof dolla bill’s own philosophy goes out the window for his favorites
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@approxinfinity The fact we are even arguing impact on the game between these two is comically bad.
One guy stepped in and changed the game on both ends. I don’t care about nba potential but it is even more damning proof (based on draft boards) to go along with the actual results on the court
The whole 80 mpg 3 guys - 26-27 mpg hasn’t panned out and it won’t
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Disclaimer: I am more invested in quality portmanteaus than in catagorizing the team realistically. Do you guys like “slothrocious dismayfense”?
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@approxinfinity I love that! But I don’t think it applies to this team, except for the second half of that game I’m still trying to forget
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@approxinfinity hmmm… slothrocious dismayfense - No results found… search google - directed to your post… - google translate: sloth ROC IOUs dismay pink… i’m at lost. sorry, old timer here. lolz…
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@jay4ever its a portmanteau of sloth and atrocious, and dismay and defense. Work in progress…
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@jay4ever i am kind of excited we are the internet progenitor of slothrocious dismayfense, ngl.
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A question that becomes a vital piece for NEXT years roster is even though he is a sloth a wreck on defense , the Question becomes how do we replace Hunters offensive production where he is usually putting up right at twenty per game. Who is gonna fill that void ?
Flory probably gonna be the starting five right ?-- So Flory has a lot of upside , gonna be good , but right now and next year he is still raw, especially offensively lot of growing to do offensively , not even sure he will come close point wise to Hunter ever , just not that type - -or at least not yet. So in that respect were gonna be weak, you figure even if Flory jumps to twelve/thirteen a game next year that’s still a sufficent drop-- for sure going to be a big spot to fill point production wise
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@SlimShaddy54 I’m confident that Peterson can step in and replace hunter’s production
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Balanced scoring would obviously be good, even with Peterson bolstering a pretty average perimeter offense. Think the question about interior scoring is still valid. I also think Flory has shown some creativity as well as versatility (he just goes after it and gets to things) that can translate to consistent buckets with 30 mpg. We should still recruit another offensively skilled big I think.
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@rcjhdraft Then who is taking Mayo’s- - Peterson filling Mayo’s point production
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@rcjhdraft You need a five man to take Hunters point production- Peterson stepping in and taking of May’s point production --different positions
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@SlimShaddy54 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@rcjhdraft You need a five man to take Hunters point production- Peterson stepping in and taking of May’s point production --different positions
You’re not directly replacing everyone’s scoring numbers position for position and you don’t need to do it that way. Flory is nowhere near as skilled as Hunter and won’t average 17 ppg. Doke was never a skilled played and could be taken out of games by more skilled players, part of why he never averaged more than 13 ppg. Flory is probably closer to that range.
Overall, KU is averaging 76 ppg with only 2 players in double figures this season. That’s a big issue this season as we don’t have a reliable 3rd or 4th option. That’s what KU needs next season. Peterson probably does lead the team in scoring next season. From there, who’s the second scorer going to be? Will it be Flory or Elamrko? What’s the wing going to look like? I know you assume everyone leaves, but we all thought several players would leave last season that didn’t because of NIL.
At this point, I could see KU running a starting line up with Jackson, Peterson, Griffen, Storr, and Bidunga next season as a starting line up. I still think a starting caliber 4 is the biggest need in the portal.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree with Jackson- – Peterson - - Griffen-- & Flory - - Storr ? - -Nope but everyone has their opinion on that no problem there. Would be a good or should be a good balanced group- -now add some quality depth to that , add Diggy coming off the bench for a few minutes would be a start
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@SlimShaddy54 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree with Jackson- – Peterson - - Griffen-- & Flory - - Storr ? - -Nope but everyone has their opinion on that no problem there. Would be a good or should be a good balanced group- -now add some quality depth to that , add Diggy coming off the bench for a few minutes would be a start
Just remember how many rumors there were about Elmarko leaving last season only for him to never enter the portal. NIL may affect next season’s roster more than you think. Storr is rumored to be making somewhere between $750k-$1 mil. Don’t be too shocked if that is a big enough influence for AJ to hang around another season.
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Another season with AJ isn’t going to benefit either side here
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The production will be replaced easily. Hunter gets you 20 but isn’t the difference between wins for this team. He gets his usual and never strays too far from it regardless of the opponent. Peterson will offer a completely different dynamic. He’s an NBA player and Hunt will never see the league so there’s a big difference there in terms of what impact he could give.
Self will have to find scorers in the portal again though. Flory will be another double figure guy but beyond that he’s going to need to find 3rd and 4th options. Elmarko and Diggy can give you consistent bench pts probably. This offseason will be the most critical one we’ve had in perhaps the Self era because there just is so much change coming
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Anybody else watching this Arizona/ Houston game ? – 9-8 Arizona with under twelve to go in 1st half.- - -Can it be interesting game with that kind of Score ?-- I think it’s still a good game , just neither team hitting squat, energy level is there for sure
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@approxinfinity Definitely! And, i’m not gonna lie lol… you make me learn more than just caring about KU bball! Thanks!
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I see that the NCAA still has us aas one of the top 16 seeds in their initial projections
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@SlimShaddy54 said in If Bill’s roster falls apart…:
I see that the NCAA still has us aas one of the top 16 seeds in their initial projections
That was hilarious actually. Just let’s you know that people really don’t pay attention
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I truly believe this season can still be a winning one (ok, I have to edit this post) - maybe sweet 16 at max. Most of the losses, if not all, have come down to an inability to put points on the board—scoring, scoring, and more scoring. Defense is crucial, no doubt, but if you can’t match hot three-point shooting shot for shot, then you have to make up for it with dominance on the other end. Winning starts with finding a way to keep up and take control. If KJ can’t do that, insert Flo - throws a bunch of lobs, which I haven’t seen much at all when he’s on the floor. Such a waste of talent, right?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 is Mcdowell ever going to get more than walk on minutes? Feels likely to be recruited over?
I thought he seemed promising but then no longer appeared to be impactful when in.
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The only one small thing that could begin to possibly help come NCAA tourney time is - - we aren’t playing on opposition home floor where ovrwhelming opposition fans – Neutral court- -I know- - I know that’s a reach , but trying to find positive going into tourney
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Two things from Houston- - Arizona-- Arizona last two games- -5-44 from the 3 point line- - umm NOT GOOD- - and mercy since Houston joined the league is now 28-4 - 11 straight road wins , longest in the Nation- - that is truly Dominance
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why do these teams look so different when they are not playing us ? - - WV taking Baylor into OT at Baylor-- - Cinn within four points to Iowa St late in the game- – -dam
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Well the refs wanna be noticed in the Iowa St game now- - -Surprise
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K/State getting spanked at the half by BYU- - -40-22
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See…how easy it is to throw to Flo!
