Looking back at Hilton
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Looking forward to Hilton:
I’m still in the tweaks not overhaul mode. A couple minutes here, a couple there and all the sudden things look a lot better. As much as I hate to say it because I adore KJ, but if he’s out for a bit we might see some guys step up.
Game was closer than the final score for sure. It was tight with 6 minutes left and got away. I hope we are done with AJ after this showing and the Diggy minutes baffle me.
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@dylans Bill has to put him on the dang floor for that to happen
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@Bosthawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Didn’t know that… that explains his selfish play
AJ had a 32% usage rate at Wisconsin last season. He is the Temu version of James Harden
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@BShark time to trim up the rotation at this point Coit and AJ should only play a few minutes when need for foul trouble.
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@approxinfinity He’s regressed on roster construction and his scheme
High low with a 5 who’s slow and can’t guard
A 4 who can’t shoot anything but a dunk and can’t rebound
Pg who can’t defend on the ball, can’t attack and can’t score or shoot consistently
Bill’s “guys” are real and he values stuff that doesn’t translate
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Our awesome D held them to 74
Our incredible offense scored a solid 57
You take scorers and teach them to defend and scheme the D up
Bill takes defenders and hopes they magically figure out how to score
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@Texas-Hawk-10 AJ moves his head completely to see ball and man instead of getting in position to see ball and man at same time. I know you coach jr hi boys and I watch jr hi gals. Been awhile since I coached that age. You’re right.
Jr. High kids doing this is fine because it’s the first time for the vast majority to play organized basketball instead of recess or PE basketball. His closeouts suck and that second foul that most were complaining about was a poor technique of wrapping his arms around the guy instead of extending his arms. I teach my players all the time that when they guard like that, a smart player is going to initiate contact a draw a foul every time to take advantage of poor defensive technique.
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@SlimShaddy54 Self made sure we #leveledup #nevergonnahappenagain
Rolls the same 3 guys expecting a different result
Another @$$whoopin on the road to a top 10 team
Man would be nice to actually have a chance to win the conference again
I’m out see you all next year when we have a legit d1 Kansas level pg and pf
Bill sucks at roster construction and coaching guys equally and instilling confidence. Don’t be surprised if Rylan and Storr “are injured” and don’t finish the season
If you aren’t his guy than good effin luck here
He’s gonna ruin dp as well cause he’s past his prime
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@FarmerJayhawk ….gets beat by almost 20 on the road and feels a few tweaks here or there and “we got this boys”
The same rd 32 crew last year is back and everyone expects different results - humanity truly is dumb
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@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@SlimShaddy54 Self made sure we #leveledup #nevergonnahappenagain
Rolls the same 3 guys expecting a different result
Another @$$whoopin on the road to a top 10 team
Man would be nice to actually have a chance to win the conference again
I’m out see you all next year when we have a legit d1 Kansas level pg and pf
Bill sucks at roster construction and coaching guys equally and instilling confidence. Don’t be surprised if Rylan and Storr “are injured” and don’t finish the season
If you aren’t his guy than good effin luck here
He’s gonna ruin dp as well cause he’s past his prime
Don’t let door hit you on the way out.
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@kjayhawks shocking our offense labored yet effin again
That’s all Bill’s said for freaking decades - hey bill maybe be introspective and check your philosophy
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LOL. Goooodbye. Hope you stick to it, might be good for your mentals to not watch.
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@approxinfinity I don’t think so. Not yet anyways. This team lacks effort but I think that will change once Hunter is gone
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@BShark he should take the KU out of his name!
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@approxinfinity Self has always had this
Traylor Morningstar Reed
He’s always had “his guys” that are in his circle of trust that limit the teams ceiling. He values things that don’t translate to scoring
Rather than having his team go play excellent he prefers to “make you play worse”. Already thinking about the other team versus thinking “how can we play our best”.
His entire coaching philosophy has been bad but he’s been successful due the greatest home court of all time and we did get talent even if he didn’t always play it
He picks some guys to encourage and give huge leashes and other guys he can’t stand and pulls with 1 eff
I’m telling you Rylan ain’t happy and his sick of this crap
Others on the team are pissed at what kj, hunt and Juan get away with and the going on three years of L’s is ZERO proof they are WINNERS
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14 point differential on FT’s made and 3 more 3 pointers made were the difference. Actual shots were exactly the same total at 59. We actually shot 3 more 3 pointers than they did. We had 14 less shots at the charity stripe. Getting to the line and then making them along with reducing stupid TO’s and fouls would solve our problems. Wish it was as easy as saying it. I don’t understand why we cannot get fouls called when we drive into the paint.
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Tweet Derek Johnson - so telling. Self isn’t tanking his legacy he values defense over offense and schemes that don’t translate to today. You all can see it with minimal bball knowledge which says plenty
Kansas has lost 41 games in the Bill Self era at Kansas by 13 or more points (average of about 2/season)
However, 12 of those have come in the last 2.5 seasons
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@BShark said in Looking back at Hilton:
LOL. Goooodbye. Hope you stick to it, might be good for your mentals to not watch.
oh he’s going to only watch halves. If we’re down at half, ITS MUST SEE TV
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@FarmerJayhawk … and then must comment on the forum to let us all know how terrible the team and coach are.
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@kuballin10 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@FarmerJayhawk ….gets beat by almost 20 on the road and feels a few tweaks here or there and “we got this boys”
The same rd 32 crew last year is back and everyone expects different results - humanity truly is dumb
Look beyond the box. It was closer than that. This team isn’t that far away. We still have to figure out how to get better on offense with the Juan/Shak combo but we can get there.
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gonna have a big turnover again this year.- - AJ will be gone - - -Rylan won’t come back — -Coit will be gone – Moore will be gone- - - KJ gone - -Hunter is gone - -sorry but the way he plays against athletic bigs or overall athletes not just %'s he is worthless proof is in the pudding, So really won’t miss him that much --Rather watch the development of Flory - good rim defender, and eager to see his offensive side develop, more athletic than Hunter - -v Oh ya Zeke gonna be gone too
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@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking back at Hilton:
gonna have a big turnover again this year.- - AJ will be gone - - -Rylan won’t come back — -Coit will be gone – Moore will be gone- - - KJ gone - -Hunter is gone - -sorry but the way he plays against athletic bigs or overall athletes not just %'s he is worthless proof is in the pudding, So really won’t miss him that much --Rather watch the development of Flory - good rim defender, and eager to see his offensive side develop, more athletic than Hunter
Rylan and Coit should be back as of today
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Not going to win very many games when your Minus ten in rebounds ,----Minus fourteen in free throw points , minus two in assists-- not a winning receipe
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@FarmerJayhawk Rylan not going to come back with the way things have went for him-- Coit can for sure go
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@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking back at Hilton:
@FarmerJayhawk Rylan not going to come back with the way things have went for him-- Coit can for sure go
Bill will play a proven player alongside two newbies in the backcourt. They won’t kick Coit to the curb either. He’s a good deep bench piece that understands how to play here. And with revshare it’s good money to pass up.
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@kuballin10 i cant blame the personnel, even if many of them have limitations that wont go away.
But you cant recruit guys like that and then play to their weaknesses instead of their strengths.
I hope that this game is used as evidence in the court of practice that Shak needs more time on ball, Rylen needs more minutes, and Bidunga needs to be unleashed.
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Also I disagree with some here that think AJ should be cut from the rotation. He was capable first half, then rode pine until we were behind and did alright before making a couple mistakes.
I see a guy whom i could see settling down with more consistent minutes.
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@FarmerJayhawk Rylan won’t but nice out with the “as of today” ya big insider
I can tell you from my Bama connection he’s had enough of this trash
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@FarmerJayhawk This team has no effin chance to win a title and they are another rd32 exit or sweet 16 beatdown to a legitimate 1 seed
Your eye is as I’d expect with the coaching staff feeding you crap cause they can’t judge talent or maximize rhe roster either
Bama buddy texting me Self is gonna mess up dp and get another pg who can’t score in the portal plus a big who can’t shoot outside 5 feet
If I go on his podcast I’ll let you all here it
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@approxinfinity Self doesn’t have his favorites or his pets I swear
If he pumped Shak up as much as he loved d2 - shak would be a more defensive version of Frank
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking back at Hilton:
gonna have a big turnover again this year.- - AJ will be gone - - -Rylan won’t come back — -Coit will be gone – Moore will be gone- - - KJ gone - -Hunter is gone - -sorry but the way he plays against athletic bigs or overall athletes not just %'s he is worthless proof is in the pudding, So really won’t miss him that much --Rather watch the development of Flory - good rim defender, and eager to see his offensive side develop, more athletic than Hunter
Rylan and Coit should be back as of today
Need the 5th year thing passed, get Zeke back to play with DP. But regardless, we could have a fun group, lots to play out yet though.
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@approxinfinity it’s January and he’s completely gutted mentally and lost
Self plays stupid games and wins stupid prizes
We haven’t legitimately competed for a big 12 title going on this third year
Yet the field of 68 guys and everyone pumps self as some stud recruiter and gangster
Those guys got no clue either with how to properly evaluate talent and build a program/maximize it
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@BShark said in Looking back at Hilton:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Looking back at Hilton:
@SlimShaddy54 said in Looking back at Hilton:
gonna have a big turnover again this year.- - AJ will be gone - - -Rylan won’t come back — -Coit will be gone – Moore will be gone- - - KJ gone - -Hunter is gone - -sorry but the way he plays against athletic bigs or overall athletes not just %'s he is worthless proof is in the pudding, So really won’t miss him that much --Rather watch the development of Flory - good rim defender, and eager to see his offensive side develop, more athletic than Hunter
Rylan and Coit should be back as of today
Need the 5th year thing passed, get Zeke back to play with DP. But regardless, we could have a fun group, lots to play out yet though.
That’s going to be an affair. I haven’t read the actual proposal (if there is one?), it’ll be interesting to see who it applies to, in what sports, etc etc
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I really don’t think this loss changes a lot with it being to a top 5 team on the road. I wouldn’t even be remotely worried if we had taken care of business against Fizzou and WV. We can still win this conference but it just got a lot tougher IMO. I think 3 losses wins it but the way we play on the road I’m not banking on us winning another away from Allen.
It’s concerning that guys like KJ, Hunt, Storr and Coit seem to have zero bounce to start games. Our starters are all experienced seniors but they don’t play with any poise. I don’t think Juan was terrible in the game tonight but a few freshmen level turnovers and 1/6 from the line for a 5th year senior guard is flat out unacceptable. Which in turn made it a terrible night. Hunt was super soft tonight which we all knew was a terrible match up with how ISU plays. Hopefully we take our frustration on the Mildcats Saturday like we did UCF.
Edit: I’ll continue to blow my horn at KJ playing too much. Both of our big runs had him on the bench.
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There will be people here come Saturday that will think everything with Dickinson is just fine when he rebounds with an effort like 20 & 12 and people will say see everything is fine- - ummm NO - -NO it’s not , Dickinson I’ll say once again is slow —so slow , and every time he comes up against another Big that’s close to his size and athletic count him out he is a no show does nothing - -once again NO VERTICAL gets beat on defense , complains about every call- -Dickinson is NOT Athletic at all,- -What Hunter is – -is Big- -Bulky- -and a very slow non athletic even his post moves are slow and methodical. Dickinson may not be our main problem but he for sure is a problem
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@BShark you want another year of kj and d2??? You can’t be serious
“Kansas beats top teams early in the season; he lets them play for a couple of games, then puts them into the round holes. Notice that after KU wins those games, he says something like, “Well, we didn’t play any defense…””
Truer words never spoken
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@SlimShaddy54 crazy what happens when you dont play ucf
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@kjayhawks said in Looking back at Hilton:
I really don’t think this loss changes a lot with it being to a top 5 team on the road. I wouldn’t even be remotely worried if we had taken care of business against Fizzou and WV. We can still win this conference but it just got a lot tougher IMO. I think 3 losses wins it but the way we play on the road I’m not banking on us winning another away from Allen.
It’s concerning that guys like KJ, Hunt, Storr and Coit seem to have zero bounce to start games. Our starters are all experienced seniors but they don’t play with any poise. I don’t think Juan was terrible in the game tonight but a few freshmen level turnovers and 1/6 from the line for a 5th year senior guard is flat out unacceptable. Which in turn made it a terrible night. Hunt was super soft tonight which we all knew was a terrible match up with how ISU plays. Hopefully we take our frustration on the Mildcats Saturday like we did UCF.
Edit: I’ll continue to blow my horn at KJ playing too much. Both of our big runs had him on the bench.
It really doesn’t. It didn’t change much with computer rankings at all.
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I wonder how much Hunt’s foot is bothering him, if at all, that limits his aggressiveness and intensity.
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Defense wins titles….
Top 5 ranked teams
- Auburn - 86ppg
- ISU - 86 ppg
- Duke - 80 ppg
- Alabama - 89 ppg
- Florida - 86 ppg
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@patoh3 Bottom line is we need to try and getting looking for excuses for getting beat and some of these players just flat getting beat on defense and just not having their heads in the game - -Time to stand up and be accounted for you play piss poorly then you should be willing to take accountability for the poor play
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So here is this - -Both teams shoot identical FG % for the game 40.9 %- -24/59. Big reason for this loss ISU five less turnovers m and Fourteen free throw advantage of made- -18/4 - -no reason for this – these are FREE POINTS your opposition is giving you-- -they are FREE for God’s sakes.-- & getting beat by ten rebounds with our 7’2 guy-- NICE–No Excuses, time to stand up and represent the name written on the Jersey- -you play like a pile then be willing to admit-- I played like crap - - No Excuses-- time to get your ass in gear-- How Dickinson ever got mentioned as a possible Big Twelve player of the year/All American- -WHERRE I don’t see it, if that’s an All American then something is fixed & if he is then play like an All American against quality opponents not just Cream Puff University
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This was one we were always going to lose. Its okay. Let’s take care of K-State now
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The lowdown
Self let’s his upper classmen guys get away with a million mistakes but they are “his guys with a leash” even though their results are more L’s and blowouts than ever before
Brings in other upper classmen and treats them like freshman
Oats ain’t coming here and programs licking their chops watching Houston and isu run things while another blue blood becomes the next ucla/indiana
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@approxinfinity Sorry for the late response, the Y was calling for a late night swim so I turned it off. Maybe this is true for a lot of schools like them but team construction is different. Not too many 5 stars playing there. System players seems to be Gard’s MO and he seems to be pretty good at constructing a team. Right now they’re fairly deep, but guys coming off the bench are not big time portal guys, but a UWGB guard Kamari McGee who has been amazing, or John Tonje, again not a huge name but is probably an all american, 2nd team, 3rd team? He’s pushing the right buttons this year it looks like.
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“It’s always the same equation for us in Ames…. Can we take care of the ball? Hilton is a tough venue and if we start this game with turnovers and fall behind the temperature in Hilton rises from screaming fans and becomes easy for them to roll us! If we keep it to around 10 total turnovers in the game, we stand a chance. We need to keep Hunter in the low post and space properly.”
Hunter was pure awful… very anemic. It’s so hard to win when he plays outside the paint. His high ball screens do nothing. He hasn’t hit a three in centuries, he has no chance at a rebound, and his strength is in low post scoring, but he allowed himself to get pushed around in this game. Didn’t help the refs had some bad calls. His “arm bar” foul was ridiculous. Self should have thrown a fit and drew a technical to see if his guys would wake up.
Our guys came in here feeling sure they were going to lose. It’s that kind of game we get from several foes in AFH. I bet we go 10 in a row losses in Ames now. It’s already been 3 in a row. The mental conditioning has begun.
KJ didn’t have a great game but I give him kudos for bringing effort above the rest… except for Zeke, who was his normal greatness!
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@kjayhawks said in Looking back at Hilton:
wtf are you doing Juan? Jesus looking like a freshman
x100
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Hey, it sucks to lose. But losing like that is maddening and frustrating. F-U-G-L-Y.
I lost track of how many times we got a turnover and within a split second turned it right back over.
But, we had a chance to be in this game all night. Stupid turnovers and bad decision making.
I think starting Shak has positives and negatives. The defense is obviously better. But, today at least, we suffer with really only ONE offensive threat on the perimeter. Shouldn’t take much for teams to try to shutdown Zeke. Leaves zero room for Hunter to operate and gain good position.
So, if you’re starting Shak, you gotta start Rylan and not KJ, who is a non threat on O.
Self has his hands full. I wish he would think about offense. You have to score more than the other team to win.
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And of course — fun with the box score.
Sums it up:
FTs
KU 4-11
ISU 18-25
Game over.
