Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor
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Sad way to go out!
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I honestly feel for the seniors, just a complete disaster on both sides of the field
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This is one of the most important offseasons in Kansas football history. You could make a strong case to fire both coordinators. The transfer portal game has to be great with all the seniors we have lost.
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I agree , just costly mistakes on the offensive side of the ball I mean your opening drive go right down stall out around the twenty and miss your field goal - - drive inside their 30 interception hit home run pass deep in their territory â fumble , driving again interception -was right at or around 500 yards of offense but defense couldnât stop a cold-- really bad defensive effort
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@SlimShaddy54 Iâm already hearing Borland is going to retire. He had been the weakest the last 2 years before Grimes showed up. Iâll give Jeff some credit if he is still the guy actually calling plays. It was much better the last half of the season. Iâm still arguing with myself if we need transfer QB or roll with JD? He just hasnât looked like the kid he was 2 years ago in the slightest.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 sorry you had to witness that in person
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@Texas-Hawk-10 appreciate this optimistic take
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@kjayhawks I actually think JD-6 will move on , he losing his boys, the main three receivers his running back â think he moves on and they just try and roll the dice with Marshall
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Any possibility to upgrade QB in portal
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@AsadZ Always a possibility I reckon
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Very stinky
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Well, we were riding such a high for the last month. Sad to see we couldnât make a bowl game after the momentum we had. Baylor was also on a big roll though, so not an easy road game. But a bitch slapping was very unexpected.
Now itâs the waiting game to see who comes and goes â both players and staff.
I donât follow the recruiting side of things, so not sure whatâs on the horizon. But lots of you have said weâre losing most of our offense? Ugh.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
Well, we were riding such a high for the last month. Sad to see we couldnât make a bowl game after the momentum we had. Baylor was also on a big roll though, so not an easy road game. But a bitch slapping was very unexpected.
Now itâs the waiting game to see who comes and goes â both players and staff.
I donât follow the recruiting side of things, so not sure whatâs on the horizon. But lots of you have said weâre losing most of our offense? Ugh.
Weâre losing most starters on both sides of the ball. We have 4 starters on offense that could return (Daniels and 3 OLinemen), and 4 starters on defense that could return (1 LB and 3 DLinemen), and our punter on special teams.
KU has 38 seniors total and only 16 commits for next season so far (15 HS and 1 transfer) so if Leipold is making staff changes, they need to happen relatively quickly so they can get to work to bring in some players.
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I know today was frustrating, but at least we didnât have to deal with the dumb shit thatâs gone on at several games today including the Michigan/OSU game, UNC/NCST game, the ND/USC game, and the UT/A&M game which had fights either during or after the game.
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Unfortunately as I said above this undoes most of this groups success. Its very scary to think about what next years club could be like. Recruiting trail doesnât look great with only 16 signees. It will be interesting to see whom transfers out because we know some will. I hope our NIL is healthy because we are going to need to hit home runs at several key positions. I think this season sets us back to 2021 LLs first year. I sit here and wonder if the stadium will ever get finished. I think a best case scenario for next season is 3 wins and donât see us competing for a bowl game in at least 2 years. Worst Iâve felt since Beaty was here to end a season.
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it is going to be interesting from what Iâm reading, like Matt Ruhle of Nebraska said he says they are afraid of them losing between 30 to 50 players this off Season. Iâve read KU fans talking about how itâs going to effect PWOâS and walk onâs â KU has a lot of PWOâS that continue to develop and see playing time a they advance
This has all got to do I think m I dunno whatâs going on something about roster limit / Revenue sharing and possibly NIL - -Iâm not sure all I have heard people talking about how things about to change big
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@SlimShaddy54 I canât blame anyone that wants to jump ship after this season. We looked very poorly coached for much of it. I think huge staff changes are in order if LL has the guts to do it. Also thinking about it I think you tell JD he has played his last game as a Jayhawk. He was pure garbage 8 of 12 games and turned it over 10 times in the first 5 games that cost us at least 3 wins. The more I think about letâs just cancel the program and get in the big east. This has been a giant waste of time and money. This program is finished.
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@kjayhawks Just fucking stop with the cancel the program bullshit, joking or not. Itâs played out, unoriginal, and just stupid fucking take. Leipold didnât win 6 D3 titles by accident, didnât make Buffalo relevant by accident?
Were you spouting this same shitty take after 2006 when KU didnât make a bowl and lost 4 games they shouldâve won as well?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 in 2006 we actually went 6-6 and were bowl eligible. There just wasnât near as many bowls as there is now. I wish this team only gave away 4 games, then weâd be 8-4 or 7-5z I hate to break this to you but this isnât D3 football. We donât have to argue but mark my words this will cripple this program for a half of decade. Hope the next staff can sustain success.
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@kjayhawks said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 in 2006 we actually went 6-6 and were bowl eligible. There just wasnât near as many bowls as there is now. I wish this team only gave away 4 games, then weâd be 8-4 or 7-5z I hate to break this to you but this isnât D3 football. We donât have to argue but mark my words this will cripple this program for a half of decade. Hope the next staff can sustain success.
D3 titles mean Leipold and his staff had to identify and develop talent because the best athletes in the region werenât banging down the down to go to a D3 school. Those players went there because they werenât good enough players to play FBS, FCS, or D2 football and Leipold and staff had to develop that talent to maintain that level of success because those are the only 6 titles in that programs history.
And when transfer players are considering KU, they donât just look at the overall record, they will look and see that KU was very close to being a 10 win team and has lots of playing time available. KU isnât going to have the on field drop off you think they will next season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Iâm a grumpy asshole today but I just donât have any optimism left ole friend.
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I havenât done a state of the roster in a while. Iâll try to get one done before the portal opens so we can get the lay of the land in terms of portal needs. Also, the 15ish HS class was by design. Filling 30 senior spots with 25 high schoolers in this age would be a DISASTER
Also worth noting Borland only has a team option next season, no guaranteed money.
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People talking about hoping JD doesnât come back baffle me.
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@wissox me as well. Want a full season of healthy Jaylon
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@approxinfinity said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@wissox me as well. Want a full season of healthy Jaylon
Like always, it depends what your options are.
Unless a portal stud appears, JD seems to be our best option. That being said, I donât know a thing about that freshman we had in the wings this year,
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Unless I am mistaken, I think JD was healthy this entire season
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Of course, I can wait til next September because Iâd rather not skip all of spring and summer after we grind through this winter.
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@AsadZ but he didnât have a previous healthy yr in front of him.
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@AsadZ dont think he trusted his body for half the season though
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@AsadZ said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
Unless I am mistaken, I think JD was healthy this entire season
Below the neck
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My question is whether JD can play better or what we saw this year is his ceiling.
How much of his play was impacted by injury versus new OC versus his ceiling.
Can JD make more accurate throws especially in the middle of the field?
Next year Neal will not be there so QB throwing the ball will be more critical.
By no means my suggestion is for JD to transfer, just throwing out some points for discussion.
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@AsadZ IDK, itâs fair to ask, but Iâm really in the camp that the first half of the season was partly the new OCâs fault, and JD being rusty, and maybe even still trying to gain his confidence back. In the 4 of 5 game hot streak he played well. Should Lance be able to work the portal well, he may pick up some important pieces to add experience for new targets for JD and new linemen to protect him.
Not sure what happened to Hishaw towards the end of the season, but heâs a pretty good piece coming back.
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Iâm curious about why this guy is sitting on the bench.
Isaiah Marshall
H.S. Athletic Background 2023: Had 3,114 yards and 39 touchdowns passing with 1,507 yards and 16 rushing touchdowns while leading his team to a state title.
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@nuleafjhawk heâs not ready yet. Heâs talented but needs time. Itâs pretty rare for a true freshman to come in and be effective.
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@FarmerJayhawk can you just stop with sensibility and rationality and let me have my way?
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@nuleafjhawk youâre the yin to my yang
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@nuleafjhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
Iâm curious about why this guy is sitting on the bench.
Isaiah Marshall
H.S. Athletic Background 2023: Had 3,114 yards and 39 touchdowns passing with 1,507 yards and 16 rushing touchdowns while leading his team to a state title.
Marshall was only a 3 star recruit so itâs not like he was expected to come in and tear it up immediately. 3 stars generally need a year or two before they start becoming ready to play.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 the âstarâ ratings arenât Always the most reliable judge of a playerâs ability. 55 tds and 5,000-ish yards in one season says something. He was recruited by a lot of too ranked teams.
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@nuleafjhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 the âstarâ ratings arenât Always the most reliable judge of a playerâs ability. 55 tds and 5,000-ish yards in one season says something. He was recruited by a lot of too ranked teams.
HS football in Michigan isnât the same as Texas, Ohio, Louisiana, Florida, or California. Michigan and Ole Miss were the only highly ranked programs at the time that offered. He was not someone they were looking at with the intention of starting from day 1. He was depth for each program.
Marshall may end up being a really good QB, but he was never expected to be at that level from day 1, including here at KU.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah. We probably would have wound up something like 5-7 with him at the helm. My bad.
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@nuleafjhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 the âstarâ ratings arenât Always the most reliable judge of a playerâs ability. 55 tds and 5,000-ish yards in one season says something. He was recruited by a lot of too ranked teams.
A 100 percent true my friend look no further than our highest rated HS recruit in history that just hit the transfer portal DE DeShawn Warner. I believe he played in just 4 games for a 5-7 team with a sub par defensive front 7. Talib was 2 stars but made an impact instantly once he got to campus. Has multiple all pro and pro bowl selections. Same could be said for Chris Harris Jr. can add in our current duo of Mello and Cobee, both 3 stars that will be drafted. More 3 star rated recruits are in the NFL and NBA than 5 stars. Look at the dozens of BB recruits that were 4 or 5 stars that amounted to crap for us. You have to have a guy that can eye not only talent but potential.
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@kjayhawks said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
Look at the dozens of BB recruits that were 4 or 5 stars that amounted to crap for us.
Wait, I thought that was because Self is a crappy coach? Which narrative am I supposed to followâŠis there a guide?
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@mayjay hahaha I think Self may have mishandled a few of them for sure (JR Giddens) but most of them like Omar Wilkes and Micah Downs were way over rated out of highschool
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@kjayhawks Giddens was a dumb ass while at KU who deserved to kicked off the team for that bar fight.
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@nuleafjhawk said in Finally Some RESPECT: Jayhawks Favored At Baylor:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah. We probably would have wound up something like 5-7 with him at the helm. My bad.
Marshall clearly wasnât ready this season. Remember how awful Daniels looked as a true freshman in his limited reps? It was obvious that Daniels wasnât ready at that point. Thereâs a reason why Leipold didnât move Marshall up the depth chart until the last 4 games and why Leipold was looking at potential transfer QBâs had Daniels left. Itâs clear by the staffâs actions they donât believe Marshall is ready to take over as the starting QB at KU yet. Next season will likely be a battle between Marshall and incoming freshman McComb to see who takes over at QB in 2026 and the loser of that battle likely transferring out.
Thereâs not a chance KU wouldâve gone 5-7 with Marshall at QB this season.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Bill Self himself has admitted he mishandled JR from the get go
