Need Games To Start
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@dylans usa’s men and women team gymnastics teams were easy to root for.
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@approxinfinity Pommel Clark Kent.
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I like snoop. Somebody listed all the clubs and organizations he supports, really lengthy! Him and Martha Stewart are a funny duo. I am surprised we are not as strong in swimming as usual. Looking forward to the KU kids in track and field. Bryce Hoppel in the 800.
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Since Snoop is a celebrity commentator for the games, seeing him cheering the team at events is no different than seeing Hoda or Savannah. I’d prefer less of all of it, but we’re stuck with it.
I have really liked being able to switch between total coverage of events on Peacock. Only drawback is you would have to go Premium to save events to watch later. Not worth the $79 addition to my $19 annual basic!
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I’m also looking forward to the new nfl kickoff. It’s going to be way different. Might be good. Could be lame.
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@dylans said in Need Games To Start:
I’m also looking forward to the new nfl kickoff. It’s going to be way different. Might be good. Could be lame.
I don’t quite grasp the new kickoff concept yet. Gotta read more on that.
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@mayjay I’m a little confused by your post. I got the peacock for this, all the games are available for replay on demand it seems. Just got the basic 7.99 deal.
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@wissox $7.99 is indeed for Peacock Premium, which does have replay and on demand. The cheap version I have doesn’t.
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@mayjay Um, when I signed up for the Olympics the cheapest deal was 7.99. I don’t have replay like pause/rewind, etc.
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@wissox Oooooops, all the confusion is my fault. I was relying on a Reddit reviewer for the details about recording and they had it wrong (big surprise). Sorry!
Premium PLUS ($11.99/month) is necessaary to download shows to watch later and to rewind/ff/pause. So we are in same boat. Sorry!
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@mayjay Oh man, apologies not needed for that minorest of offenses!!
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It used to be when a man hit a woman he went to jail. But now the IOC will give you a medal!
Weird world we live in.
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@dylans “Weird” is one of the kindest words I can think of.
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@dylans Worth noting that Khelif was born female. The article touches on this.
“The Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female and has a female passport,” Adams said. “This is not a transgender case. There has been some confusion that this is a man fighting a woman. This is just not the case. On that there is consensus. Scientifically this is not a man fighting a woman.”
It’s actually illegal to be transgender in Algeria.
There was an African runner with a similar case, I am failing to remember her name right now. I would agree that transgender athletes should not be allowed but this is more of a gray area imo.
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@BShark That human is a hermaphrodite. XY chromosomes. Not a Tranny or natural born male, but also not a female. No way they should be allowed to compete against women that aren’t themselves on steroids. Look at “her” arms, hips, and chest, then look at the competition. Something is very wrong there. It’s as if there is a very real safety reason for the IBA ruling that the IOC is not upholding.
Teenage boys destroy adult women in competition. Case in point the Texas high school soccer team that embarrassed the women’s national team. In 7th grade we scrimmaged the girls HS varsity team and whooped them - that really reinforced in my mind that whole never hit a woman thing (never have, never will), they are simply built different. Testosterone is a huge advantage and the reason for gender segregation in sports. It’s flat not fair.
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@dylans Fair enough. It’s just there has been a lot of misinformation about this so I wanted to make sure it was presented accurately here. Caster Semenya is the other I was thinking of. Who was ultimately banned via changes to the rules made by the governing body for track and field (World Athletic now I think, formerly IAAF) banning people with varying DSDs from 400, 800 and 1500 meter races unless they surpress their testosterone levels. So it is pretty clearly widely seen as an issue.
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Again I say. What a weird world we live in. lol I wish life was more cut and dry. It seems the gray areas get larger the older I get. At 8 years old I 100% knew right from wrong. Now it’s murky.
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Hi. New contributor, but long term lurker here. Testosterone is an iffy guide to sex determination. There is a wide range of normal testosterone levels in people, with many women in the upper level of normal having higher levels than men at the lower level of normal. And suppressing testosterone can have serious health consequences; what might be a population-wide normal level may not be adequate for an individual. I often told my students that strict on/off, yes/no, this or that situations are rare in biology. The species concept, for example, is a human construct for making classification easier; in nature there are often intermediate forms between two species and where we draw the line is arbitrary. Likewise for testosterone (and many other hormones that can affect athletic performance), there is less difference between males and females than many suspect. While we need rules for who plays on which sports teams, any rules we make will be arbitrary and there will always be special cases that just don’t fit. And yes, I did study biology (immunology and microbiology) at KU!
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Nikki Hiltz the American 1500m olympic trials winner is transgender and in the Paris Olympics. Hiltz was born female and cannot receiver gender affirming care including testosterone to be able to compete. The East Germans doped up their men and women athletes with steroids and dominated the Olympics with 519 medals with 409 in the summer games and 110 in the winter games. I see that we are retesting weight lifters samples from past Olympics and one year they retested for and they took away the gold medal and declared the next medalist the winner and then guess what? They went down to about 14th place to get a final medal awards.
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@BShark from what I remember from the other gal, she did not know she had male organs that failed to come down. It was very embarrassing that everybody found out when she did. Sad.
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@dylans right and wrong is whatever you want it to be, brother. Or sister. Or whatever you are today.
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@ImmunoHawk said in Need Games To Start:
Hi. New contributor, but long term lurker here. Testosterone is an iffy guide to sex determination. There is a wide range of normal testosterone levels in people, with many women in the upper level of normal having higher levels than men at the lower level of normal. And suppressing testosterone can have serious health consequences; what might be a population-wide normal level may not be adequate for an individual. I often told my students that strict on/off, yes/no, this or that situations are rare in biology. The species concept, for example, is a human construct for making classification easier; in nature there are often intermediate forms between two species and where we draw the line is arbitrary. Likewise for testosterone (and many other hormones that can affect athletic performance), there is less difference between males and females than many suspect. While we need rules for who plays on which sports teams, any rules we make will be arbitrary and there will always be special cases that just don’t fit. And yes, I did study biology (immunology and microbiology) at KU!
Welcome aboard!
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@ImmunoHawk welcome to our community! You’re going to need to dumb it down considerably for me though! Lol
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The Turkish hitman was impressive! One hand in his pocket looking bored, acting like Dash from the Incredibles - don’t do too well just take silver.
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@nuleafjhawk I have a bad case of professorial verbosity, not sure if it’s curable.
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@ImmunoHawk Hmm. I understood “bad” and “curable”.
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@ImmunoHawk did you go to medical school?
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@Crimsonorblue22 No, I did grad school in the KU microbiology department. Then spent 30 years teaching undergraduates, most of whom were planning on going to medical school. Had that dream job of teaching (mostly) highly motivated kids with excellent character.
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@ImmunoHawk Thanks for your c0ntribution! Hoping your immune system is strong enough to keep you healthy after dealing with all the parasites, viruses and bacteria infesting my comments and several others here!
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Since there’s a little Olympic chatter here I’ll give my olympic rant of the day now. We’ve all heard the names Simone, someone who couldn’t handle the stress at the last olympics and quit and Shakari, a sprinter who never made it to Tokyo because she failed a drug test. But I was shocked yesterday to watch the 30 seconds of coverage of mens shot put and see an American named Ryan Crouser win his 3rd gold in a row. That’s 8+ years of dominance in his sport and unknown to probably many of us reading this today. NBC coverage is really pretty annoying.
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@wissox https://www.cnn.com/. You have to scroll down to find the articles. Simone Biles gets up to almost 11 ft in the air, the men, 10. Getting the twisties could be life altering! She’s one of a kind! I watched all track and field. Saw the womens 100 and the mens shot. 1, 2 and 4!
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@wissox said in Need Games To Start:
Since there’s a little Olympic chatter here I’ll give my olympic rant of the day now. We’ve all heard the names Simone, someone who couldn’t handle the stress at the last olympics and quit and Shakari, a sprinter who never made it to Tokyo because she failed a drug test. But I was shocked yesterday to watch the 30 seconds of coverage of mens shot put and see an American named Ryan Crouser win his 3rd gold in a row. That’s 8+ years of dominance in his sport and unknown to probably many of us reading this today. NBC coverage is really pretty annoying.
Does he come to Mass St when they have their shot put competition? If so he’s fantastic in my books, if not who is this guy? lol shot putters don’t get much shine.
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@dylans they haven’t had the downtown shot for a long time. My son hasn’t been the ast meet director for a long time, either. Covid, they didn’t want to fund the pros anymore.
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Wow, what a finish on Men’s 100m track, Lyles came from behind and pushed it thru to beat Jamaica.
US won after 20 years.
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Concerning Khelif… welcome to the world of complicated sports qualifications. Almost as tricky as what is deemed performance-enhancement drugs. Quite complicated if someone is born with a vagina but also XY and has higher levels of testosterone. Yes, there is an advantage… so is height advantage in our beloved game of bball. When I first read this story… I read misinformation. Of course, I was upset when I read that a trans person gamed the system so a male could beat up a female. But the story was dishonest and who knows what the motivation was… probably political or for profit.
The way I see it… I become a lot less emotional when I find out someone isn’t trying to game the system. It seems Khelif fits into this category. However… it is a challenge to keep sports on the same equal page. I am doubtful that is possible.
Another thing… we all have natural bias. Take our very beloved Simone Biles. She has a natural genetic balance that gives her an advantage in her sport. For once… being small is an advantage. She’s not only small, but packs unusual athletic prowse. If we dug deep enough through her DNA chart I’m sure we would see clear advantages she has (to go alone with her insatiable drive for success). Even her drive will eventually be studied in the genetic world.
What I’m getting at… the world we surround ourselves with plays a huge factor in our success. So does our genes. And we are only at the cusp of realizing genetic advantages and disadvantages. If you follow my drift about now you are realizing the importance of medical ethics.
This discussion will continue… and I hope for all our sakes we are able to find clear information not completely tainted by politics; the pollutant that is poisoning our society today.
Happy harvests…
the garden man
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People are born with natural genetic advantages. Michael Phelps is a perfect example of this. Phelps has a long torso and arms, he’s 6-4 with a 6-8 wingspan, amd has short legs which means less drag. He also has big feet (size 14) and more flexible ankles than other people. Phelps also produces much less lactic acid than others meaning he can push himself longer and harder and need less recovery time. He’s also double jointed in some joints that aren’t typical of even elite swimmers which gave him more power in some of his strokes. He also has double the lung capacity of the average human.
Phelps was essentially the perfect swimmer because of some genetic abnormalities that were beneficial to him as a swimmer. Obviously, he also worked his ass off training to become the greatest swimmer of all time, but he also had some natural genetic advantages.
Imane Khelif was also born with some natural genetic advantages. Based on pictures, it looks like she’s a bit taller than most of her opponents which means she has a longer reach to keep her opponents at bay. She’s not a knock out artist, only 5 KO’s in her career, so her genetic advantages didn’t turn her into 1980’s Mike Tyson when most of his fights weren’t making past the first round.
Just a tiny bit of research would make people realize that Khelif isn’t transgender because she’d currently be in prison for that since that’s the punishment for being transgender in Algeria.
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@dylans Yeah I do understand the media a little bit and Simone is quite a bit cuter!
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At a glance, I approve of Snoop + Martha Stewart.
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Its easy to see Martha Stewart served 5 months in prison but its hard to determine how much jail time Snoop served total. Anecdotally, people say its less.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m a little uncomfortable with your intimate knowledge of Michael Phelps’ body…
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@nuleafjhawk said in Need Games To Start:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m a little uncomfortable with your intimate knowledge of Michael Phelps’ body…
There were a lot of studies in why Phelps was able to dominate swimming the way he did shortly after he retired.
This isn’t a French pole vaulter situation.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Need Games To Start:
@dylans they haven’t had the downtown shot for a long time. My son hasn’t been the ast meet director for a long time, either. Covid, they didn’t want to fund the pros anymore.
That’s too bad
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I wa just playing. I didn’t mean to be a turd.
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My favorite Olympic joke. Reporter: “Are you a pole vaulter?” Athlete: “No, I’m Svedish, but how’d you know my name is Walter?” (must pronounce walter with a V for it to make sense.)
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https://share.icloud.com/photos/0aaN_Q19NOpMMD-SpRVpHKFQA Ryan Crouser 2017
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@KU4KU welcome aboard!
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@KU4KU those were such fun times!
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