2023 Recruiting
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@BShark said in 2023 Recruiting:
@TYOHawk said in 2023 Recruiting:
Article on 247 this morning mentioned Gertrude being very similar to Jaden Ivey when Ivey was a prep prospect. I’m intrigued…
Watched some youtube and he is intriguing. Athleticism and length are there for sure.
I think you and I both may have missed the boat on this guy man. - The Anylsts that he is talking about talks about how he might end up making the biggest jump of any player in rankings. - -Scored from all 3 levels long arms and explosive athletic to quote the article , Saying behind the scene’s he has been one of the hottest names all Spring & Summer - -having said that I just don’t think there is room for him - -I mean I know we are losing 2 after the year but other then that - -then we have other possibilities like Mikey - - & Dennis to use any available on- - I don’t know man
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FYI. - - some early numbers of composite score of 23 team rankings : - - - Iowa State # 4 - - - -Kansas State # 8 - - -Baylor # 9 - - - Texas Tech # 13 - - -KU # 27 - - -Oklahoma State # 32 - - -Oklahoma # 35 - - - & TCU # 53.
We know this will change but just where things are at the present
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@BShark said in 2023 Recruiting:
@TYOHawk said in 2023 Recruiting:
Article on 247 this morning mentioned Gertrude being very similar to Jaden Ivey when Ivey was a prep prospect. I’m intrigued…
Watched some youtube and he is intriguing. Athleticism and length are there for sure.
Sounds like he is going to see a major bump in rankings soon. If he sets a visit here I’m very intrigued to see if they press, they seem legitimately interested in him
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KU did not make TJ Power’s Top 5. Definitely was trending that way. He’s bound for one end or the other end of tobacco road if I had to guess
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@BeddieKU23 Correct. KU had no shot.
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Didn’t he have family who went to UNC? I’d guess he probably ends up there.
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I think I’m getting a sense of our 2023 strategy. Take raw tools and develop. None of the more recent targets are close to finished products or really even going to help as freshmen.
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@FarmerJayhawk Bill telling them they can play right away. Wink wink.
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Elmarko Jackson blurb. No wonder why Self is after him, Frank Mason mentioned vibes
If his resume from last month did not speak enough volumes, Elmarko Jackson once again has completely taken advantage of the platform presented to him.
The biggest thing that blew me away when watching him play was his ability to get wherever he needed to with a combination of elite burst and physicality. He brings Frank Mason vibes due to his strength, athleticism, and high evolving skill level.
The month of July was great to him as he collected in eye-opening offers from the likes of Kansas, UCLA, and Villanova. Add in schools such as Miami, Maryland, and Texas in the picture, and we are talking about a point guard who is bound to make a leap in the rankings because of his ability to immediately help each of those programs win in some form or fashion.*
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
Elmarko Jackson blurb. No wonder why Self is after him, Frank Mason mentioned vibes
If his resume from last month did not speak enough volumes, Elmarko Jackson once again has completely taken advantage of the platform presented to him.
The biggest thing that blew me away when watching him play was his ability to get wherever he needed to with a combination of elite burst and physicality. He brings Frank Mason vibes due to his strength, athleticism, and high evolving skill level.
The month of July was great to him as he collected in eye-opening offers from the likes of Kansas, UCLA, and Villanova. Add in schools such as Miami, Maryland, and Texas in the picture, and we are talking about a point guard who is bound to make a leap in the rankings because of his ability to immediately help each of those programs win in some form or fashion.*
@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
Elmarko Jackson blurb. No wonder why Self is after him, Frank Mason mentioned vibes
If his resume from last month did not speak enough volumes, Elmarko Jackson once again has completely taken advantage of the platform presented to him.
The biggest thing that blew me away when watching him play was his ability to get wherever he needed to with a combination of elite burst and physicality. He brings Frank Mason vibes due to his strength, athleticism, and high evolving skill level.
The month of July was great to him as he collected in eye-opening offers from the likes of Kansas, UCLA, and Villanova. Add in schools such as Miami, Maryland, and Texas in the picture, and we are talking about a point guard who is bound to make a leap in the rankings because of his ability to immediately help each of those programs win in some form or fashion.*
OK, so I got lost , who is this ElMarko Jackson’s blurb talking about here that we are recruiting ? Wit the Frank Mason mention.
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Elmarco Jackson is the recruit/player
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@RockkChalkk said in 2023 Recruiting:
Elmarco Jackson is the recruit/player
1st time ever heard his name mentioned
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@jayballer67 said in 2023 Recruiting:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
Elmarko Jackson blurb. No wonder why Self is after him, Frank Mason mentioned vibes
If his resume from last month did not speak enough volumes, Elmarko Jackson once again has completely taken advantage of the platform presented to him.
The biggest thing that blew me away when watching him play was his ability to get wherever he needed to with a combination of elite burst and physicality. He brings Frank Mason vibes due to his strength, athleticism, and high evolving skill level.
The month of July was great to him as he collected in eye-opening offers from the likes of Kansas, UCLA, and Villanova. Add in schools such as Miami, Maryland, and Texas in the picture, and we are talking about a point guard who is bound to make a leap in the rankings because of his ability to immediately help each of those programs win in some form or fashion.*
@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
Elmarko Jackson blurb. No wonder why Self is after him, Frank Mason mentioned vibes
If his resume from last month did not speak enough volumes, Elmarko Jackson once again has completely taken advantage of the platform presented to him.
The biggest thing that blew me away when watching him play was his ability to get wherever he needed to with a combination of elite burst and physicality. He brings Frank Mason vibes due to his strength, athleticism, and high evolving skill level.
The month of July was great to him as he collected in eye-opening offers from the likes of Kansas, UCLA, and Villanova. Add in schools such as Miami, Maryland, and Texas in the picture, and we are talking about a point guard who is bound to make a leap in the rankings because of his ability to immediately help each of those programs win in some form or fashion.*
OK, so I got lost , who is this ElMarko Jackson’s blurb talking about here that we are recruiting ? Wit the Frank Mason mention.
PG target. Looks like he will be seeing a bump in his rank and he reminds one of the 247 guys of Mason. Already a 4 star prospect
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@BeddieKU23 My most wanted in terms of guards/wings we are in on.
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Read an article on this kid yesterday, we are not even an option for this kid. he listed his Schools and we are not one of them he is considering now. - Werre gonna be just fine
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@jayballer67 said in 2023 Recruiting:
@RockkChalkk said in 2023 Recruiting:
Elmarco Jackson is the recruit/player
1st time ever heard his name mentioned
Won’t be the last. A PG with that combo of size, speed and skill will be a big time recruit for somebody.
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@justanotherfan said in 2023 Recruiting:
@jayballer67 said in 2023 Recruiting:
@RockkChalkk said in 2023 Recruiting:
Elmarco Jackson is the recruit/player
1st time ever heard his name mentioned
Won’t be the last. A PG with that combo of size, speed and skill will be a big time recruit for somebody.
ya he listed his five - -oh well there will be others
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Dennis Evans mentions KU, TCU & Minnesota as programs in his recruitment & wanting to visit them.
If Self really wants this kid there shouldn’t be any issue getting this 7’2 behemoth here
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
If Self really wants this kid there shouldn’t be any issue getting this 7’2 behemoth here
Agree but not convinced that we will put the hammer down here.
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@BShark said in 2023 Recruiting:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
If Self really wants this kid there shouldn’t be any issue getting this 7’2 behemoth here
Agree but not convinced that we will put the hammer down here.
His ranking seems to be heavily based on potential down the line. There’s certainly intrigue and his size/athleticism/defensive ability stick out but I do agree there seems to be a bit of treading water here from us. And I think with who’s also involved in his recruitment (lack of other blue bloods) or high level P5 schools we can assume enough.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
Dennis Evans mentions KU, TCU & Minnesota as programs in his recruitment & wanting to visit them.
If Self really wants this kid there shouldn’t be any issue getting this 7’2 behemoth here
7’2 height and 7’7 I think they said wing span and avg of 11 blocks a game – must get I would think. - - I’ve read a couple of articles where it seems he is really interested in KU BUT watch Minnesota might be trouble – I’d take a shot on the kid for if nothing else his inside presence defensively alone for the moment. - -Get him in the program and let them develop him have a pretty good history of developing Bigs. - -example Doke his freshman year , - -Doke his Sr yr. - - David his freshman Yr - - David his Sr year - -progression - I don’t think you can over appreciate the presence of an inside force/rim protector enough
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2023 Recruiting:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
If Self really wants this kid there shouldn’t be any issue getting this 7’2 behemoth here
Agree but not convinced that we will put the hammer down here.
His ranking seems to be heavily based on potential down the line. There’s certainly intrigue and his size/athleticism/defensive ability stick out but I do agree there seems to be a bit of treading water here from us. And I think with who’s also involved in his recruitment (lack of other blue bloods) or high level P5 schools we can assume enough.
I have some intel on this one. I don’t want to use aggressive terms with it but yeah, one side is more interested than the other.
We are loaded down low. If we were to take him, then I don’t think all our current guys would be staying. Zach is really good, but everyone will see that soon enough.
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Dennis Evans is very difficult to evaluate at the HS level because of his size and length. He’s so tall that he blocks shots with so much ease, but you can’t tell if that’s skill, or just the fact that he is so big, an advantage that will diminish in college.
He’s very raw offensively, but most kids that size are very raw offensively because they haven’t developed fluidity, and, honestly, most coaches at the HS level don’t know how to actually coach big men.
Dennis Evans has a really high floor, though. He will, at a minimum, be a very good defensive player in college. He could anchor a top 10 defense with his rim protection. And because he doesn’t have to jump for a lot of his blocks, it’s hard to get him out of place.
His shooting stroke looks solid, but he doesn’t have a ton in his bag yet as far as offensive moves. His hands are probably just average, and you would prefer a guy that size to have above average hands because he’s going to have guys swiping at the ball constantly. He could be a below average offensive player in college.
He could also develop an offensive game, get stronger and suddenly we’re talking about an elite recruit. That’s not a guarantee, obviously, but it’s not that far fetched, either.
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Evans is definitely a take. You figure out the numbers later. He’s got a lot of Withey to him
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2023 Recruiting:
Evans is definitely a take. You figure out the numbers later. He’s got a lot of Withey to him
I agree you have a kid like this that is showing strong interest in you - - you return the interest , the others guys just have to compete to earn minutes and or spot on roster - if they transfer out then best of luck to them The only ones I wouldn’t want to transfer out because of Evans would be Zac or Udeh. – -Zuby wants to go - then so be it. We would still have three Udeh Zach and Evans at that point, again agree with you Farmer
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2023 Recruiting:
Evans is definitely a take. You figure out the numbers later. He’s got a lot of Withey to him
I think Minny or TCU are better choices for him to get immediate PT.
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FYI Yates set an official to Texas
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
FYI Yates set an official to Texas
We are officially not in this one not sure if you saw.
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Our good ol Boy down the inner State trying to gather a decent recruiting class. - He got Johnson and the guards. Now is in Baye Fall’s finalists - If he lands fall like the article said that would be a huge commit for then a legit 7 footer crazy rim protector things could get interesting. Tang showing pretty decent recruiter.
Has to have a hell of a sales pitch to get a kid to Manhattan. Texas Rutgers K State can’t remember the others his list keep an eye on
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@jayballer67 said in 2023 Recruiting:
Our good ol Boy down the inner State trying to gather a decent recruiting class. - He got Johnson and the guards. Now is in Baye Fall’s finalists - If he lands fall like the article said that would be a huge commit for then a legit 7 footer crazy rim protector things could get interesting. Tang showing pretty decent recruiter.
Has to have a hell of a sales pitch to get a kid to Manhattan. Texas Rutgers K State can’t remember the others his list keep an eye on
Tang is worlds better than Bruce as a recruiter. Whether he can keep guys in Manhattan is to be determined, but if he can get them there, K-State could put together a very solid team fairly quick. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him turn KSU around in short order.
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@justanotherfan said in 2023 Recruiting:
@jayballer67 said in 2023 Recruiting:
Our good ol Boy down the inner State trying to gather a decent recruiting class. - He got Johnson and the guards. Now is in Baye Fall’s finalists - If he lands fall like the article said that would be a huge commit for then a legit 7 footer crazy rim protector things could get interesting. Tang showing pretty decent recruiter.
Has to have a hell of a sales pitch to get a kid to Manhattan. Texas Rutgers K State can’t remember the others his list keep an eye on
Tang is worlds better than Bruce as a recruiter. Whether he can keep guys in Manhattan is to be determined, but if he can get them there, K-State could put together a very solid team fairly quick. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him turn KSU around in short order.
Glad to see someone else who can see this, .Tang looks to be a really good recruiter, and now with the even the possibility when Weber was Coach he wouldn’t of sniffed K/State , looks like he is putting together a decent team and they going to turn some heads and they gonna step up and beat some people - -Not saying they are in a title contending role yet - -but they are not gonna win their share. Also seen that are in the finalist for a kid named I think McDowell 4 * 6’8 we shall see but good luck to them
Maybe this can become a rivalry again because there is no way that’s what it is right now. Can’t be a rivalry when we a kicking their ass yr after yr , after yr like a tin can down the road.
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@justanotherfan Agree. We saw they were not able to hold on to Pack who took more money to go to Miami.
The big thing we need to see is how Tang is as a coach. It’s interesting that he is just now getting a chance.
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Self’s eye for talent strikes again. The new 247 rankings have a lot of our targets going supernova. Chris Johnson might be one of our lowest rated commits
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@FarmerJayhawk Some near triple digit jumps on a couple of these guys and Elmarko unsurprisingly into the top 20.
Not sure KU is the favorite to land any of these guys though.
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@BShark I always thought Tang was the brains behind Baylor, after last year I think Adams is pretty dang close too. I had no idea, he was so unassuming to me. My only thing with him is that he subs to much. Wonder where Bruce is? I did hear Remy is going to try out for the G league.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in 2023 Recruiting:
@BShark I always thought Tang was the brains behind Baylor, after last year I think Adams is pretty dang close too. I had no idea, he was so unassuming to me. My only thing with him is that he subs to much. Wonder where Bruce is? I did hear Remy is going to try out for the G league.
Would not compare Tang/Drew to Adams/Beard. Tang is just a recruiter. Everyone had been saying Adams was the brains. No one says that about Tang.
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Elmarko Jackson and Kaden Cooper are names I’d watch.
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At this rate we’re just gonna have a team of combo guards in 2025
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perfect the Combo 5 out
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Updated 247 ranks for those that missed. Their rankings not the composite. KU targets
Elmarko Jackson #18 (big jump)
Mikey Williams #19
Jamari McDowell #42 (big jump)
Dennis Evans #27
Taishon Chatman #31
Elijah Gertrude #36 (big jump)
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Half of a college coach’s job is recruiting. You cannot be a great coach if you are a below average recruiter. You just can’t.
Tang is clearly a good recruiter. He came to a school that had nothing returning. Absolutely nothing. I assumed he would have maybe 10 or 11 scholarship players. He has a full group, and not only that, he got some real players in that class. Now, is he good with X’s and O’s. Hard to say. You can’t really judge assistants on that because they only have a partial voice on those type of things. He may be more skilled than we realize. He may be less skill. We won’t really know that until January or February.
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@BShark just me!
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@justanotherfan If KState wins 6+ games in conference play I’ll be impressed. I do think it’s possible, if the coaching is good.
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@BShark said in 2023 Recruiting:
@justanotherfan If KState wins 6+ games in conference play I’ll be impressed. I do think it’s possible, if the coaching is good.
Talent upgrade should be worth 4 wins by itself.
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KSU’s schedule seems soft prior to league play. Butler and Florida look to be the toughest. They also play in the Cayman Island Classic which may have some decent teams. They should have a good W/L record going into Big 12 play.
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They have a bottom 5 roster in all of Power 5. No idea how he’s making lemons into lemonade with 1, 1 big-12 level player on his roster
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
They have a bottom 5 roster in all of Power 5. No idea how he’s making lemons into lemonade with 1, 1 big-12 level player on his roster
Not sure KSU’s roster is bottom 5 in Power 5.
I’ll start with Keyontae Johnson. He was, once upon a time, a top 70 recruit, and the preseason SEC player of the year. He collapsed during an early season game a couple of years ago, and hasn’t played since, but if he is healthy and at or near his previous level, he’s a guy that could play at just about any P5 school. He’s sight unseen, but he’s a sleeper that could lift KSU from okay to good.
Anthony Thomas was one of the top juco players in the country. I doubt he’s a star, but he will probably be an okay rotation piece. Nae’Qwan Tomlin was another good juco player. Probably another rotation piece.
Ismael Massoud was a three year rotation guy at Wake Forest. David N’guessan was a two year rotation guy at Virginia Tech. Desi Sills was a three year rotation guy at Arkansas.
That’s five guys that are legitimate P5 rotation guys that Tang brought in, plus a guy that could be an all conference level talent if he is healthy.
Tykei Greene was second team all conference at Stony Brook. That probably translates to a decent P5 starter. Iyiola was a decent player at Hofstra.
Nowell returns for them and should start. He was solid last year as a starter.
That’s 9 guys that can probably play at the P5 level, and that assumes that they don’t get anything from Cam Carter (rarely used at Mississippi State last year) or Jerrell Colbert (barely played at LSU last year).
That also assumes they get little or nothing from any of their freshmen.
This team is decent. Easily the best looking roster KSU has had since Barry Brown and Dean Wade left. They should be on the bubble for the tournament, maybe even in easily if Johnson returns to form.
By my count Tang has 5 definite P5 level starters on this roster in Nowell, Johnson, N’guessan, Massoud and Sills. I could see Greene maybe being a starter, but those other 5 guys all started at the P5 level before, so I give them the edge.
This team is MUCH better than before. I wouldn’t label them as good yet, but the improvement in the roster is pretty clear. With an easy early schedule, they could be confident coming into conference play. A 9 or 10 see in the tournament seems within reach.
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@justanotherfan I look at you listing N’Guessan and Massoud as starters and realize just how spoiled Kansas fans have been. Because you are right, but they are not good starters to have.
Where did you get N’Guessan starting before though? He had 0 starts at VT according to sports reference: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/david-nguessan-1.html
The biggest thing KSU did was they got athletes and some size. That goes a long way. League will be an absolute blood bath for them imo though.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2023 Recruiting:
They have a bottom 5 roster in all of Power 5. No idea how he’s making lemons into lemonade with 1, 1 big-12 level player on his roster
oh I don’t think they have a bottom 5 roster, I believe they will be better then what your giving credit for. They can still be in lower half of big 12 and still be better then a bottom P-5 roster. - Big 12 is just gonna chew one another up incredible conference the best conference yet again , just more balance
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Read some dates for KU 23 recruits visiting. - -Jamari McDowell 6’5 Combo this weekend. - Finalist of KU - -Texas A & M - -Xavier - - -& WF - -Ranked # 141 by 247 sports.
Kaden Cooper : - 6"5 SF - - Sept 24th - - # 36 by Rivals - -38th by On 3. com - - 45th by 247
Elijah Gertrude -6’4 - -SG - Sept 23rd - -25th - - - #136 by 247 sports wants to decide in Sept - -Ku , St Johns , Rutgers , Seton Hall & Virginia - -made 43 % of his 3’s.
