Post Tournament Thoughts
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Clemence, Adams and Yesufu will all see increased minutes. Newsflash
- Coach is not all that happy with Dave, having Agbaji go opening tip? I loved the move, but thatās how disgusted coach is with Dave.
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Och has quick ups
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I thought putting Chai dog jumping was a brilliant HOF move. Not only does it put a spur under Daveās shorts it also gives us a shot at winning jump! And it makes a statement that we need to value every single possession!
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āAnd it makes a statement that we need to value every single possession!ā Now if we only would do so.
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Is there really any value to winning the tip?
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Post tournament thoughts? Weāre not horrible, we just expect perfection because weāve been spoiled. I mean, look at our coaching tree and the coaches that we have spun out - Adolf Rupp, Dean Smith, even Coach Self who was a grad assistant under Larry Brownā¦ That being said, here goes.
Dave doesnāt fit with the players on this team. He is mechanical, not fluid and slows them down. He cost us the Dayton game.
Ochai is a star and MVP of our team. Love me some Och, glad he came back.
Braun is a player. Been a Christian fan from the get go, he just knows the game and knows how to play. When we need a play whatever the type might be, heās always there it seems.
Remy needs to play, period.
Wilson is struggle city, so far. All due to him sitting out four games? We shall see.
Bench - Clemence and Adams deserve to have some playing time, ditto Yesufu and JCL. Harris isnāt impressive thus far and I like him as a player, but the makeup of our team isnāt the same as last.
Mitch has had some good moments and Pettiford.
Now, break out the firing squad, but as I see it Daveās minutes need to drastically decrease, Harrisā too as well as those of Wilson.
I would not start Dave. For now, Iād go with Wilson, Braun, Agbaji, Remy and Yesufu. Bench - Clemence and Adams, JCL, Mitch and Pettiford. Dave mixed in here and there, if and or when needed.
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@Marco said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
Post tournament thoughts? Weāre not horrible, we just expect perfection because weāve been spoiled. I mean, look at our coaching tree and the coaches that our program has spun out, my godā¦ That being said, here goes.
Dave doesnāt fit with the players on this team. He is mechanical, not fluid and slows them down. He cost us the Dayton game.
Ochai is a star and MVP of our team. Love me some Och, glad he came back.
Braun is a player. Been a Christian fan from the get go, he just knows the game and knows how to play. When we need a play whatever the type might be, heās always there it seems.
Remy needs to play, period.
Wilson is struggle city, so far. All due to him sitting out four games? We shall see.
Bench - Clemence and Adams deserve to have some playing time, ditto Yesufu and JCL. Harris isnāt impressive thus far and I like him as a player, but the makeup of our team isnāt the same as last.
Mitch has had some good moments and Pettiford.
Now, break out the firing squad, but as I see it Daveās minutes need to drastically decrease, Harrisā too as well as those of Wilson.
I would not start Dave. For now, Iād go with Wilson, Braun, Agbaji, Remy and Yesufu. Bench - Clemence and Adams, JCL, Mitch and Pettiford. Dave mixed in here and there, if and or when needed.
Man just seems you got a hard on for Dave. - -To save he cost us the Dayton game is probably the furtherst thing from being right that can be. THE WHOLE FRICKEN TEAM COST US THE DAYTON GAME not just McCormack. Very True Dave is off to a slow start agree , BUT WISLON right now holy crap he is crap at this point - -exactly what the hell has he done? - - go ahead Iāll wait. - - Ya Iāll agree wo knowās Dave might do better coming off the Bench for now , BUT inserting Wilson at the 5 which has been tossed about - - is not the answer - Iām not sure what it is - - -Zach is pretty Mobile can stretch but on the defensive side he is at this point a huge liability - -maybe we play KJ he is athletic but his offensive skills right now are zelch, might be able to cover and others score let him rebound - I dunno , think ya need to back off Dave a bit. We have many many other problems then just Dave at this point
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We better figure out the 5 spot quick. I can see the Kentucky game being an ugly one.
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@rockchalkwyo said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
We better figure out the 5 spot quick. I can see the Kentucky game being an ugly one.
ya Kentucky is improved quite a bit
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@jayballer67 said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
@Marco said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
Post tournament thoughts? Weāre not horrible, we just expect perfection because weāve been spoiled. I mean, look at our coaching tree and the coaches that our program has spun out, my godā¦ That being said, here goes.
Dave doesnāt fit with the players on this team. He is mechanical, not fluid and slows them down. He cost us the Dayton game.
Ochai is a star and MVP of our team. Love me some Och, glad he came back.
Braun is a player. Been a Christian fan from the get go, he just knows the game and knows how to play. When we need a play whatever the type might be, heās always there it seems.
Remy needs to play, period.
Wilson is struggle city, so far. All due to him sitting out four games? We shall see.
Bench - Clemence and Adams deserve to have some playing time, ditto Yesufu and JCL. Harris isnāt impressive thus far and I like him as a player, but the makeup of our team isnāt the same as last.
Mitch has had some good moments and Pettiford.
Now, break out the firing squad, but as I see it Daveās minutes need to drastically decrease, Harrisā too as well as those of Wilson.
I would not start Dave. For now, Iād go with Wilson, Braun, Agbaji, Remy and Yesufu. Bench - Clemence and Adams, JCL, Mitch and Pettiford. Dave mixed in here and there, if and or when needed.
Man just seems you got a hard on for Dave. - -To save he cost us the Dayton game is probably the furtherst thing from being right that can be. THE WHOLE FRICKEN TEAM COST US THE DAYTON GAME not just McCormack. Very True Dave is off to a slow start agree , BUT WISLON right now holy crap he is crap at this point - -exactly what the hell has he done? - - go ahead Iāll wait. - - Ya Iāll agree wo knowās Dave might do better coming off the Bench for now , BUT inserting Wilson at the 5 which has been tossed about - - is not the answer - Iām not sure what it is - - -Zach is pretty Mobile can stretch but on the defensive side he is at this point a huge liability - -maybe we play KJ he is athletic but his offensive skills right now are zelch, might be able to cover and others score let him rebound - I dunno , think ya need to back off Dave a bit. We have many many other problems then just Dave at this point
Thatās just my opinion. I donāt think that Daveās abilities match the skilksets and makeup of our team. I think in many ways he hurts the team when he is in the lineup. It is not the same team as last year. You cannot ask four players to change the way that they play to benefit one player while at the same time hurting the team. If Dave had played much against Iona we probably would have lost.
I donāt have a hard on for Dave, his tits arenāt near big enough.
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@Marco said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
@jayballer67 said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
@Marco said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
Post tournament thoughts? Weāre not horrible, we just expect perfection because weāve been spoiled. I mean, look at our coaching tree and the coaches that our program has spun out, my godā¦ That being said, here goes.
Dave doesnāt fit with the players on this team. He is mechanical, not fluid and slows them down. He cost us the Dayton game.
Ochai is a star and MVP of our team. Love me some Och, glad he came back.
Braun is a player. Been a Christian fan from the get go, he just knows the game and knows how to play. When we need a play whatever the type might be, heās always there it seems.
Remy needs to play, period.
Wilson is struggle city, so far. All due to him sitting out four games? We shall see.
Bench - Clemence and Adams deserve to have some playing time, ditto Yesufu and JCL. Harris isnāt impressive thus far and I like him as a player, but the makeup of our team isnāt the same as last.
Mitch has had some good moments and Pettiford.
Now, break out the firing squad, but as I see it Daveās minutes need to drastically decrease, Harrisā too as well as those of Wilson.
I would not start Dave. For now, Iād go with Wilson, Braun, Agbaji, Remy and Yesufu. Bench - Clemence and Adams, JCL, Mitch and Pettiford. Dave mixed in here and there, if and or when needed.
Man just seems you got a hard on for Dave. - -To save he cost us the Dayton game is probably the furtherst thing from being right that can be. THE WHOLE FRICKEN TEAM COST US THE DAYTON GAME not just McCormack. Very True Dave is off to a slow start agree , BUT WISLON right now holy crap he is crap at this point - -exactly what the hell has he done? - - go ahead Iāll wait. - - Ya Iāll agree wo knowās Dave might do better coming off the Bench for now , BUT inserting Wilson at the 5 which has been tossed about - - is not the answer - Iām not sure what it is - - -Zach is pretty Mobile can stretch but on the defensive side he is at this point a huge liability - -maybe we play KJ he is athletic but his offensive skills right now are zelch, might be able to cover and others score let him rebound - I dunno , think ya need to back off Dave a bit. We have many many other problems then just Dave at this point
Thatās just my opinion. I donāt think that Daveās abilities match the skilksets and makeup of our team. I think in many ways he hurts the team when he is in the lineup. It is not the same team as last year. You cannot ask four players to change the way that they play to benefit one player while at the same time hurting the team. If Dave had played much against Iona we probably would have lost.
I donāt have a hard on for Dave, his tits arenāt near big enough.
Ewwwwww , not a fan lmao
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@jayballer67 lol okay, maybe a bit much. My point being, he is soft. Wilson and Braun and Och would rebound. Even Yesufu and Clemence and Adams, Mitch too, and they wouldnāt miss chippies while being able to pass the ball and run.
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@BeddieKU23 if the possession arrow is pointed the oppositions way when the final buzzer buzzes then yes.
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@Marco Dave has been better than Wilson thus far. Iād start Dave on a short leash.
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@Marco said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
@jayballer67 lol okay, maybe a bit much. My point being, he is soft. Wilson and Braun and Och would rebound. Even Yesufu and Clemence and Adams, Mitch too, and they wouldnāt miss chippies while being able to pass the ball and run.
oh buddy no your not a bit much itās fine just preference small and I know you know what I mean lol - as far as the other I have seen Mitch and I myself love Mitch but he has missed chippies - matter of fact airballed some.- Now one thing I will say no matter who it is ā if your that close you should go up with authority everybody get the hell out of my way Iām flushing this baby stay down as Chocolate Thunder use to say - this is my time, it;s my play time. - -So far Wilson has been doing NONE of these things you mentioned going on his 4th game and hasnāt a of yet done squat - - has look pretty bad and forced.
Again even though he is not the Anseer but all in all might be the temporary answer - -Maybe we ought to just start KJ at the 5 let him rebound he is athletic, really raw offensively but maybe short term he should at least start
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I think the biggest positive for this year is that even in the games where Och seems to not be FULLY engaged, heās providing scoring when the opportunities present themselves. Plus when he is turned all the way up, he can go for 30 and completely dominate a game.
Unfortunately, scoring isnāt what this team needs most. We all of the sudden have an abundance of scorers. Braun and Remy can get 20+ if given the looks. And despite what weāve seen of Dave so far, if he gets it together heās shown in the past the ability to go for 15+ from time to time.
Weāve scored over 70 in EVERY game. Traditionally, if a Self team can win the race to 70 the defense has been strong enough to get the win. I still believe this team can get there and be DANGEROUS come March.
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Iām not really that worried about big Dave. Just trying to do too much right now. He was VERY effective last year in 25 minutes per game once he got in the grooveā¦ set screens and rolls, or gets fed in the post and then first looks to dump it off in the corner. If heās not double teamed then shoot the 4 footer. Rinse and repeat. If heās playing against a bigger dude, then bring him out to 6 feet. Other than that, he isnāt what he isnāt.
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Wilson still seems to have covid fog brain like he did against USC. No idea whatās going on with him, but if he eventually clicks and Dave clicks then this team will be pretty darn good.
Kind of sucks seeing a loss like that to Dayton though. Will always be in the back of our mindsā¦
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Alsoā¦ in defense of big Dave. Selfās offense goes through the post (like it or not), so he ends up with the ball in his hands every time one of the new guys screws up and busts a play and he has to force something up (which is not his strength).
LOL. Not sure why Iām pointing this out, except (after rewatching that game) I think Dave was unfairly blamed for the Dayton loss. /Signing off as the president of the Big Dave fan club.
(And KJ Adams fan club)
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@DanR said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
I think Dave was unfairly blamed for the Dayton loss
Absolutely. If you watch the video in the Jess Newell article carefully, you see that Dave had inside position with a free lane to the rim when Braun got the ball. But Remy took his guy through the paint under the basket, giving the Dayton guy time to move behind Dave. CB hesitated, then passed it in anyway, and Dave tried to back into the lane and received a very iffy charge call.
Newell wrote that Self was mad at Remy for an unscripted move that disrupted the called play.
With the time left, CB should have reversed the ball to the right side, or called a timeout rather than force it in to Dave.
Watch it about 10 times and you see how Remy fād it up.
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No doubt Remy messed up the play.
Jesse also went on to say that Dave is too dependent on the seal in order to score, which is correct. Dave took himself out of a layup by moving to get open and giving up his inside leverage that he had on the smaller guy. Youāll see Dave do that a lot
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Hell, an argument could be made - and he played great! - that CB cost us the game when he flushed it, then taunted drawing the T. We were up by 15, then came the free throws and possession and they just chipped away. It changed the flow of the entire game, no doubt.
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@approxinfinity Iām not a big fan of grandstanding and or taunting, usually counter-productive.
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@Marco especially when the other team is young and in shambles. Something to rally around.
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@approxinfinity said in Post Tournament Thoughts:
@Marco especially when the other team is young and in shambles. Something to rally around.
I am not saying noā¦ Yeah, it rallied their team, really did. They won the tournament. When they make the NCAAās I hope that they atleast acknowledge CB lol.
I thought when it happened, ādamn Christian, What are you doing!?ā Then thought āoh well, weāre good.ā But we werenāt. Standing by my previous analysis though, Dave was just horrible.
P.S. - Anthony Grant can coach.
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Self seems confident in Jalen Wilson. Will be something to monitor
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Dave will have better days. Part of this is just mechanical. Getting him the ball with the right spacing and at the right time. But he needs to stop shying away from contact. He needs to know how to go towards the basket without fouling. I just donāt think we should be always going hi/lo. Itās too slow and rigid. We need to play at a faster pace because we have depth and speed. Running a faster offense also makes it easier to speed up our opposition, which is what we want to do. Having more possessions in a game should favor us. Relatively low TOs and a decent conversion rate on offense.
I do like how Self is throwing our guards out there in a mostly 3/4s press.
