Silence of the flock



  • @benshawks08 bro, I forget sometimes too. I think that Cam is going to play about 10 or 11 mpg. He can shoot from deep, and factor in that Coach bigtime recruited Clemence who at 6’10 can also shoot. I’m thinking that Bill is going to start mixing things up some from here on.



  • Pre-season Kenpom just dropped, KU checking in at #3. Obviously doesn’t mean too much, but nice to see.



  • Seems a little high on B10 teams.



  • @KirkIsMyHinrich they are definitely high on something, and I’m not so sure that it’s just B1G teams…



  • Hopefully Dave can play about 25-27 minutes a game and more in big games. Keeping out of foul trouble was an issue for him later in the season. I definitely see this as one of the bigger things to watch because of how much of a drop off there’s likely to be to the next guy. Maybe Cam surprises us making the jump to D-1.



  • Just from Late night, I thought Big Dave looked a lil more jumpier, more athletic. Anxious to see if that’s true. Dunking seemed easier.



  • @Crimsonorblue22

    Maybe it was the hair but he did look a little more sleek in build. Got up nice on a few dunks . Guy has transformed his body and probably is about as maxed out athletically as he’ll be here. If he can play 25-27 minutes a night we’ll know that he made big strides in his last year



  • Dave has worked hard the whole time he has been at Kansas… including through the summer… really working on his conditioning. I expect him to be a little faster and that will help his footwork some.



  • Did you all see the video of big Dave making the full court shot? It was actually impressive because it didn’t look entirely lucky.



  • Well remember, he didn’t miss a single 3 pt shot last year! 🤔



  • https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article255177727.html

    I feel like this could be the key issue all season. This is a good explanation of the selfs way va freedom to play dilemma.



  • @benshawks08 I am definitely looking forward to seeing how this team shakes out. Coach likes to be in control, and it has served both him and we the fans well. Interesting that he specifically names Remy while bringing up Mason in context. He’s basically saying, “don’t overthink it, if you can make the shot take it, if not pass the ball.”



  • @benshawks08

    Great read from Jesse. Also shows how Self is in a constant learning situation himself.

    I suspect we will start the year with last year’s guys starting, minus Marcus plus a mix of Remy and DaJuan.

    What an advantage we have is we can run all returning players in proper positions and slowly give minutes out by how well the new guys perform.

    Also liked how Self discusses adding more players to the regular minutes list. After further discussion it sounds like he is just talking about adding 1 more guy… to have a rotation as many as 10.

    Sounds like we need to redshirt more than one. If we don’t, we probably lose at least a couple guys to the portal. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing. The times have changed… so players move from team-to-team more but that also gives coaches a chance to replace players easily.

    A big key to future success is learning how to educate players faster into your system. This will absolutely be paramount moving on into the future.



  • @drgnslayr said in Silence of the flock:

    @benshawks08

    Great read from Jesse. Also shows how Self is in a constant learning situation himself.

    I suspect we will start the year with last year’s guys starting, minus Marcus plus a mix of Remy and DaJuan.

    What an advantage we have is we can run all returning players in proper positions and slowly give minutes out by how well the new guys perform.

    Also liked how Self discusses adding more players to the regular minutes list. After further discussion it sounds like he is just talking about adding 1 more guy… to have a rotation as many as 10.

    Sounds like we need to redshirt more than one. If we don’t, we probably lose at least a couple guys to the portal. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing. The times have changed… so players move from team-to-team more but that also gives coaches a chance to replace players easily.

    A big key to future success is learning how to educate players faster into your system. This will absolutely be paramount moving on into the future.

    Cuffe and Adam’s are the two guys who should redshirt. Cuffed has lost out on a lot of games because of the Covid situation, not his fault, and he has several players in front of him on the depth chart currently so him redshirting seems like the safest bet. KJ Adams also has several players in front of him on the depth chart and his ranking suggests he also needs time to develop and work on his body so he would make a lot of sense to redshirt. The other 12 guys all have a reasonable path to minutes.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10

    Sounds logical to me.

    Question… with this transfer portal… seems obvious players may be lost easier.

    Also seems easier to snag decent, experienced talent.

    Isn’t just turning smaller schools into talent farms?

    Maybe we redshirt two. Take a hard look at where they are later in the year. If they don’t look like minutes players Self advises them to transfer. Meanwhile… he brings in a new batch!

    Am I seeing this wrong?



  • @drgnslayr said in Silence of the flock:

    @Texas-Hawk-10

    Sounds logical to me.

    Question… with this transfer portal… seems obvious players may be lost easier.

    Also seems easier to snag decent, experienced talent.

    Isn’t just turning smaller schools into talent farms?

    Maybe we redshirt two. Take a hard look at where they are later in the year. If they don’t look like minutes players Self advises them to transfer. Meanwhile… he brings in a new batch!

    Am I seeing this wrong?

    I’m just going to say it… While we have more than benefited from the new transfer rule, the smaller schools are being put at a serious disadvantage. I don’t think the rule will last for long.



  • @drgnslayr said in Silence of the flock:

    @Texas-Hawk-10

    Sounds logical to me.

    Question… with this transfer portal… seems obvious players may be lost easier.

    Also seems easier to snag decent, experienced talent.

    Isn’t just turning smaller schools into talent farms?

    Maybe we redshirt two. Take a hard look at where they are later in the year. If they don’t look like minutes players Self advises them to transfer. Meanwhile… he brings in a new batch!

    Am I seeing this wrong?

    I don’t think it changes Self’s approach very much in regards to players already on his roster. Maybe Kyle Cuffe transfers out because it could be awhile before he sees big minutes with Harris, Yesufu, and Pettiford all capable PG’s already here and none looking like early exit candidates. That combined with how little he’s played recently could hinder his development and he ends up at a lower level. Maybe Adams or Clemence, but I would say those two would be more likely after year two based on the class KU has coming next year if either Adams or Clemence fails to crack the rotation in 2022-23. 2022-23 is looking like it could be be very young team at the 4 and 5 spots.



  • That is part of why I thought they would maybe go transfer to get a big. It will be very interesting to see who wins those starting jobs for sure.



  • @BShark said in Silence of the flock:

    That is part of why I thought they would maybe go transfer to get a big. It will be very interesting to see who wins those starting jobs for sure.

    I’d love to see Clemence and Udeh being the starters at the 4 and 5 spots respectively next season if both Wilson and McCormack are gone which seems pretty likely at this point.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 me too. No one is really talking about Clemence though, why? Udeh and Clemence as our bigs, I’d take that all day everyday. Point would be Yesufu(?), Dick a more athletic version of Svi and Zuby factoring in too … That’s not even mentioning the others, Pettiford etc.

    But anyway, I digress, can’t wait for this season to start.



  • So we have URP still looming…

    Why do we seem to be in a rhythm of recruiting better talent recently? Or am I just seeing this through more optimistic eyes?!

    From everything I read… it makes me wonder if Self becoming a HOF is now paying off big dividends.

    I know we haven’t landed that very top shelf elite recruit… but I see that as a plus and I think, deep down, Self does, too. It seems like recruiting in those players shows desperation. Filling in starting role gaps with freshmen seems desperate to me.



  • @Marco said in Silence of the flock:

    @Texas-Hawk-10 me too. No one is really talking about Clemence though, why? Udeh and Clemence as our bigs, I’d take that all day everyday. Point would be Yesufu(?), Dick a more athletic version of Svi and Zuby factoring in too … That’s not even mentioning the others, Pettiford etc.

    But anyway, I digress, can’t wait for this season to start.

    I think Harris would actually handle the majority of the PG duties with Yesufu mostly playing the 2 in 2022-23. The good thing about how Self is building is that a lot of players expected to be on the roster in 2022-23 can play multiple positions. Yesufu and Pettiford can both play the 1 and 2 spots, Braun can play the 2-4 spots, MJ Rice if he makes it here can play the 2/3, Zuby and KJ can play the 3/4, Clemence can play the 4/5 spots. To me, Harris, Cuffe, Dick, and Udeh are the only players who are basically one position players.



  • @Texas-Hawk-10 You see Dick as a one position player?



  • @Marco With his size and stroke Dick seems like a good fit at the 3. If you see Self putting Dick in at multiple positions, I think it will be bad news.



  • Size and stroke 🤔





  • @approxinfinity said in Silence of the flock:

    @Marco With his size and stroke Dick seems like a good fit at the 3. If you see Self putting Dick in at multiple positions, I think it will be bad news.

    There is so much phrasing here my God



  • @FarmerJayhawk

    Where is the laugh emoji?

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    oh… here it is!



  • @BShark you’ve been to to many Dicks!



  • @Crimsonorblue22 said in Silence of the flock:

    @BShark you’ve been to to many Dicks!

    OH MY GOD PHRASING



  • @drgnslayr

    Yeah redshirting is no longer something coaches have leverage over a player to stick around and develop with the one-time transfer rule the way it is. Before a redshirt kind of locked them in because if they transferred after a redshirt year they still had another sit-out year in most cases wherever they went. Now redshirting doesn’t really bind a player to KU. No idea how you massage a situation like that anymore.

    Hopefully the 4 freshman have patience because after this year every one of them has a chance at PT in 22. KU is going to be extremely inexperienced and young the way the roster is shaping up. Braun, Yesufu & Harris the only locks to come back that will be in the rotation. Perhaps KU can make Jalen stick another year but we’re hearing the opposite. If the freshman return & all 4 incoming recruits make it to campus Self has 2 open spots to fill in the spring (assuming Wilson goes pro). Can imagine he’ll be hitting the portal for an experienced wing & big to balance out all that youth.

    This year is kind of a catch 22 situation. The roster is so deep none of the freshman may play outside mop up minutes. But next year those same kids will be in the starting lineup/rotation with very little experience which isn’t ideal either. Usually those freshman have a better chance at PT their first year which accelerates the development curve for them. I see 22/23 as a real transition/rebuild year.



  • @Crimsonorblue22

    Dicksportinggoods?



  • At least the backcourt should be solid enough in 22. Harris/Yesufu/Pettiford/Cuffe in the 1-2 spots with Braun/Dick/Rice/Adams for the wing/forward spots. I wouldn’t be surprised if Self was on the hunt for a high scoring guard transfer in the spring.

    The real intrigue will be in the post. Clemence/Adams/Udeh/Ejiofer. Again I can see Self looking for a veteran to help these young guys along.



  • I really like the look of the back court and don’t think they need an immediate impact transfer there tbh.



  • @BeddieKU23 said in Silence of the flock:

    @Crimsonorblue22

    Dicksportinggoods?

    That would be a perfect NIL. Where are they based? Just checked, according to google it is Pennsylvania, too bad…



  • @Marco said in Silence of the flock:

    @BeddieKU23 said in Silence of the flock:

    @Crimsonorblue22

    Dicksportinggoods?

    That would be a perfect NIL. Where are they based? Just checked, according to google it is Pennsylvania, too bad…

    Definitely, they are all over the northeast where I’m from.



  • @BeddieKU23

    Yes…

    I think it’s harder to know which players will stick around. I don’t even think some of the players know anywhere in advance. Remy is an example of that.

    What I’m getting at… I think coaches, like Self, have to prioritize adjusting their systems to be simplified and easy to pick up quickly. As this happens… it even further encourages a revolving door. I’m wondering how this impacts teams like UVA… focused so much on defense. Can that be taught quickly? Isn’t it easier to teach a little fast offense instead?



  • @drgnslayr

    Definitely will be interesting to see how the game trends with the new portal rules. The revolving door may not be as difficult if the majority of the kids you get in are experienced. I would think the transition for kids familiar with P5 D1 coaching, practice etc would make it easier for them to pick things up in a new system. I think it will be something to watch with all KU’s transfers early.

    I believe the Big-12 for example has upwards of 50 new transfer players for this year because of the new rules. Half the league added 6 or more transfers in one year. Completely new teams really. The Big-12 will be interesting to watch to see what happens.



  • I would be interested to know - though we have obviously benefited - what everyone’s thoughts are on the new transfer rules.



  • @BeddieKU23 of course! You know me



  • @BeddieKU23 the dicks in Lawrence is small



  • @Crimsonorblue22 yeah, probably too small to offer much, I guess.



  • @Marco

    My first impression is positive. Give players freedom. Give them more to play for and improve! This will create a better “stepping stone” path for players to work their way up to D1 fame that may translate into a high NBA draft spot.

    Now I realize it will have an impact in many areas and it is still too soon to see what happens. Will it strictly poach the talented players away from smaller schools? I think it likely. However… maybe there will come a natural flow of players being available at smaller schools that aren’t getting the PT at a big school. I think it will load schools like Kansas with depth. Just how much does it help Kansas to go 10 - 14 players deep? It is logical that practices are better and if someone gets hurt or under-performs you have replacements. I don’t know. Maybe I’m overthinking this but I hope we don’t become the next Alabama in college football… where they have 5-star recruits lining their bench. How depressing it would be to compare to Alabama… and their fans are bloated with expectations, and often total disappointment.

    I like that we aren’t always favored. I like that we aren’t just a team of 5-star recruits. I like the fact I don’t expect us to win a NC every year, or even close.

    I like college basketball to have Cinderella teams going far in March… largely because they kept quality players for more than one year.



  • Guess I’ll reluctantly give ESPN more money for the + so I can watch more games. I already pay ESPN to watch their channels but they want more more more. With 9! 9! games on some lower tier channel I’d miss a quarter of the season if I didn’t purchase it. Oh well, I want to watch so I’ll grumble and get out the credit card. Too bad it wasn’t like netflix where we all could share the same log in! My TV has ACC network and SEC network so I doubt Duke or Kentucky ever have to play games on such a low rated platform. BIG is great but even a lot of their games end up on BIG+.



  • ESPN+ has been great for me, lots of Bundesliga and La Liga games. If you aren’t into that football though…lots of very low tier college sports on there. Not great.



  • @BShark I don’t about you, but I think that the NFL - the whole product - basically sucks. Give me college ball and the rivalries any day.



  • @Marco I haven’t watched an entire NFL game this year since Chiefs Ravens…

    I typically watch the Chiefs, but now they suck again so not even that.



  • The NFL doesn’t suck in my view. It bothers me a lot that it dominates sports coverage, as well as college football at the expense of other sports. MLB has fallen victim to this and quietly moved their World Series schedule a few years back to starting on a Tuesday and ending the following Wednesday. Previously the series started on a Saturday night and would end on a Sunday night. So four of the seven games would be on weekend nights. I always loved an epic game 7 on a Sunday night. Now if they go 7, every other person is preoccupied with their work schedules, kids leagues, etc and viewership goes down. And it’s all because Fox doesn’t want baseball ruining its football ratings. So in my mind Fox sucks more than football or ESPN which is making me pay twice to watch their programming.



  • What if ESPN quietly upped their monthly charge for everyone by a couple of bucks and then let us all peruse ESPN+ without ponying up even more money? I know I’d end up paying about the same if they did that but it would still feel like we’re getting what we’re paying for instead of you loyal subscribers to ESPN now have to pay more if you want to watch your favorite teams.



  • @wissox Not all cable systems carry or offer (or have capacity to carry) all the ESPNs. Many of us have to buy either a higher level or a sports package to get News or Classic.

    Paying a la carte for an additional ESPN service is precisely whay many consumers are clamoring for–paying for what they want and not a bunch of other crap. I will be dead by the time cable service let you select everything, but in the meantime I will be happy anytime I can just buy – or not buy – individual channels for streaming.

    Most importantly, having a high level of paid viewership for KU does can only help KU and the Big 12 to have more access as sports broadcasting contracts and schedules get developed.


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