Self Has Covid
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@Oldmanhawk thank you!
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The problem with these arguments is when it’s basketball season I have to try to forget whom I vehemently disagree with so we can discuss our favorite team.
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There’s new news and it’s worse. Read it from the Washington post and shorter update from cnn. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/politics/cdc-masks-covid-19-infections/index.html
Take it however you wish.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Unfortunately, the unvaxxed will continue to ignore anything coming from CDC because they think it is a huge power grab by Biden. After all, everyone knows getting people to wear masks or get vaxxed has such great benefits to any would be dictator.
So they will ignore it and then, when some Epsilon or Gamma or Tau or Phi or Omega variant comes along that kills vaxed people at the same rate, the unvaxxed will say, “See? The vax don’t work.” At which point any survivor has my support in knocking unvaxxed heads off.
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@mayjay said in Self Has Covid:
@Crimsonorblue22 After all, everyone knows getting people to wear masks or get vaxxed has such great benefits to any would be dictator.
This definitely made me chuckle…
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@Kcmatt7 Basically the logic people are using lol.
Also to liken it to driving again, just because you have a seatbelt (vax) doesn’t mean you should drive head on into oncoming traffic either (ie not wear a mask and attend large gatherings).
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@mayjay said in Self Has Covid:
@Crimsonorblue22 Unfortunately, the unvaxxed will continue to ignore anything coming from CDC because they think it is a huge power grab by Biden. After all, everyone knows getting people to wear masks or get vaxxed has such great benefits to any would be dictator.
So they will ignore it and then, when some Epsilon or Gamma or Tau or Phi or Omega variant comes along that kills vaxed people at the same rate, the unvaxxed will say, “See? The vax don’t work.” At which point any survivor has my support in knocking unvaxxed heads off.
Not fair, my man. A huge power grab by Biden? Then what of the black and hispanic communities? Are they worried about a Biden power grab as well?
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@Marco Did you miss my extensive post about the history underlying Black suspicion?
I don’t know what underlies Latino hesitancy except possible suspicion of anything federal.
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@mayjay Yeah, I saw it. But everyone needs to get over the reasons for their not getting it, imo
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I’ve lived and visited in many countries. No other country on earth has such a focus on free speech as the USA. And while I believe this is one of the best assets we have, I also believe it has made us almost impossible to agree on issues as a united country. That really came to my reality during the last administration when “alternate facts” became a jingle.
So much of this is politics.
You could make a law where it is illegal to place a loaded gun in your mouth because of safety concerns and half the country would walk around with a loaded gun in their mouths to protest. Essentially, this is what is happening now.
It’s all a pathetic view of freedom of speech. To disrespect free speech at this level, to literally thumb one’s nose at free speech may end up playing a part in ending it.
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@drgnslayr said in Self Has Covid:
I’ve lived and visited in many countries. No other country on earth has such a focus on free speech as the USA. And while I believe this is one of the best assets we have, I also believe it has made us almost impossible to agree on issues as a united country. That really came to my reality during the last administration when “alternate facts” became a jingle.
So much of this is politics.
You could make a law where it is illegal to place a loaded gun in your mouth because of safety concerns and half the country would walk around with a loaded gun in their mouths to protest. Essentially, this is what is happening now.
It’s all a pathetic view of freedom of speech. To disrespect free speech at this level, to literally thumb one’s nose at free speech may end up playing a part in ending it.
My friend. One of the things that struck me during Obama’s initial run for office and I thought interesting and got to say I agreed then - - I agree now. - He said one of the most asked questions when he was out on the trail across the world. He said the most frequent question he was asked was - - - - Is AMERICA as divided as it seems to be ? - -I thought what a great question. Because whether we want to admit it or not - -AMERICA IS a very divided country right now. Very Susceptable to being in a world of hurt from other Countries. I love our freedom of speech , people need to be able to express their thoughts , beliefs , and feelings. No matter who you are - - where you are , your not going to have 100 % in agreement. Who’s really to say if this person or that person is in the wrong on their positions , certainly not me. I can only go on my beliefs , my standards and views. I agree with you , not saying what your saying is wrong by any means - just saying I don’t think this country will ever believe 100 % with one another.
I love my country , and also and so proud to have THAT freedom of Speech - -freedom of expression all of what this Country stands for. As far as the COVID goes I’ve got my feelings about all of it too , won’t be accepted by some and accepted by others, just one of the things that I don’t think like you say is ever going to be made possible to reach that 100 % agreement on many issues we face ever more likely then not. - -That’s where the divided part comes in effect and in reality I’m some concerned for this country and where we are at right now - -but that’s a whole different topic my friend. You have a great day I’m done rambling on and on and making no sense lol.
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@drgnslayr @jayballer67 Yes, it is getting to where if you voice - depending upon who and where you are - an opposite opinion, then you are automatically dubbed either a flaming liberal or neo-nazi. Our media has been that way for a long time, and we are now becoming the same.
That is a door that leads to group think and one of two choices, either communism or fascism… I guess that if I have to choose between one of those two, I am not - nor will I ever be - ready to give up on our Freedom of Speech and will choose neither. In fact, regardless of anything, I will not ever give that up. If ever this nation does that, we are toast - done.
Do away with the very freedoms - all walks of life, races and creeds, colors and personal beliefs - that have held us all together? Do away with them? Nope, I am not onboard. That would lead to the end of our nation.
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@jayballer67 enjoyed your post! So thankful we have the right to be divided. God bless the USA
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@Marco huh? I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Thank you for your service for this great country
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@Oldmanhawk yes, YOU are right. There are liberals, in betweens, and conservatives here. We try to not keep it personal, give our viewpoints and then move on. We want you here. Cool?
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@Marco you haven’t said anything to offend me. Not sure what’s going on. I just replied to jayballers post. I certainly didn’t converse with any administrators
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@Oldmanhawk good, don’t.
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@BShark Exactly. I suppose that if someone wants to drive without wearing their seatbelt that’s on them. They generally will only put their own lives in danger. However, a drunk driver (the unvaccinated) is a danger to themselves and others.
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KUBuckets feels like my safe oasis. I feel like I can come in here and say what I want to say, and will be treated fairly. I don’t get offended easily, or even at all. If people purposely attack me I realize they have a problem and I don’t take on their hatred/anger/frustration. I love humanity and am accepting of differences. It’s what makes the world go 'round!
Politically, I am firmly independent. I think for myself and agree/disagree with both parties… often sighting a different perspective than both. My friendships go from fascist rightwingers to communist-like lefties. The exposure to all confirms my belief in most answers “between the lines” of extremism.
Mixing health science with politics is frightening. Lives have been lost and more lives will be lost moving forward. I’m convinced if more people aren’t vaccinated soon we will see death counts probably worse than the past year. It can be rationalized as “karma” but I don’t feel any better when lives are lost that don’t agree with my perspective. This is tragic on so many levels. My heart goes out to anyone suffering with this disease or has lost family to it.
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Guys, this is getting tougher. My own mom is very vaccine hesitant. I think the worst thing for her long term was getting a mild covid case last year. She’s seeing rumors of local folks in rural Kansas having strokes right after getting the vaccine. Which, is there a connection? I guess it’s possible. Likely? The data don’t bear it out. So do I tell my grandparents (mid 80’s, lots of comorbidities) to not see her until she gets the vaccine? What do we do about holidays?
This is the big psychological with this situation; not only is it literally tearing families apart with people dying needlessly, it’s needlessly separating families by forcing us to make this stupid, needless decisions. There’s a non-zero chance I’ll get to see my grandparents (we’re all vaccinated) but not my own mom (we might create a bubble since it’s a low vaccine take up county).
Tl;dr: anti-vaxxers make me cranky
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@FarmerJayhawk don’t do the j and j!
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@Crimsonorblue22 I’m a proud member of #TeamModerna!
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@FarmerJayhawk ditto. Just meant for your mom. There’s been some blood clots reported with young women. I know your mom is not young, but not that old. I know hundreds of people that have had vaccines, relatives, friends and school people, none had those problems.
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@FarmerJayhawk Understanding people who react strongly to reports of several cases of side effects will be easier when you remember what many psych studies show about how the human brain is numb to large ststistics in evaluating risk.
People can identify with reports of small numbers of people, but cannot conceive of mass numbers as individuals. A local news report of post-vax clots has a face in it. A report of thousands of people in hospitals on respirators is just a number. The important part of that word, number, is “numb.” People are numb to victims in the thousands.
The old saying is appropos: “A single death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths is a statistic.”
Fundraising for hunger goes nowhere until the ads show a starving baby with flies flitting about, and campaigns for St Jude hospital show those poor bald kids in wheelchairs – faces, not stats.
So, my advice is to (gently) present to your mom the reports coming out lately about individuals expressly regretting not getting vaccines as they go to ERs and ICUs. Find some where people talk about thinking they were safe because of (whatever). It just might make more of a difference when you say, “Mom, I saw this and my heart broke thinking this could be you.”
I had to admit to my doctor when my diabetes started getting into the uncontrolled range, “Well, I guess I am proof that denial is not an effective health care strategy.” Recognizing that we all do some stupid things may help, too…Good luck to her and you through this mess.
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@mayjay this post had excellent bedside manner.
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@approxinfinity That made me smile. Thx!
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@mayjay said in Self Has Covid:
@FarmerJayhawk Understanding people who react strongly to reports of several cases of side effects will be easier when you remember what many psych studies show about how the human brain is numb to large ststistics in evaluating risk.
People can identify with reports of small numbers of people, but cannot conceive of mass numbers as individuals. A local news report of post-vax clots has a face in it. A report of thousands of people in hospitals on respirators is just a number. The important part of that word, number, is “numb.” People are numb to victims in the thousands.
The old saying is appropos: “A single death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths is a statistic.”
Fundraising for hunger goes nowhere until the ads show a starving baby with flies flitting about, and campaigns for St Jude hospital show those poor bald kids in wheelchairs – faces, not stats.
So, my advice is to (gently) present to your mom the reports coming out lately about individuals expressly regretting not getting vaccines as they go to ERs and ICUs. Find some where people talk about thinking they were safe because of (whatever). It just might make more of a difference when you say, “Mom, I saw this and my heart broke thinking this could be you.”
I had to admit to my doctor when my diabetes started getting into the uncontrolled range, “Well, I guess I am proof that denial is not an effective health care strategy.” Recognizing that we all do some stupid things may help, too…Good luck to her and you through this mess.
You did good with this post, keep up the good work
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@Marco said in Self Has Covid:
You did good with this post, keep up the good work
Thx. The product of hours and hours of dealing with this frustration!
