Return of the Red Jersey's Game Chat
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Day after reflections on the game:
An important win for confidence and seeding. But, I wouldn’t put TOO much stock in it - the long lay-off clearly affected BU; they were very flat and their trey balls were consistently short.
Nonetheless, it probably locks in no worse than a 5 seed, more likely a 4, and possibly a 3, depending on what happens to others.
If we hadn’t given up the big lead against UT, a 3 seed would have been likely. And, we probably would have ended up 2nd in the conference standings at 13-5 (still could depending on the tough games WVU has remaining) and would have split against all the other better teams plus the sweep of TTU. And, we would have been at 20 wins heading into the post-season (assume we don’t throw-up against UTEP).
Dave came up big on the offensive end and with a big block on the other end - but, 3 rebounds when we were dominating on the glass and fouled out again.
The starters were 1-13 from 3. Repeating that kind of woeful performance could mean a quick tourney exit. On the other hand, if we can just get to the 30% range, we can play with and beat about anyone (not sure about the Zags or Wolverines). I would like to see HCBS run a couple of plays to get early 3 points look for CB - more so than Ochai. He’s been too passive offensively; although has made up for with his hustle and board work.
We got solid bench play - even maligned Mitch had a really good stretch. But, we can’t rely on Bryce and Juan to account for 2/3rds of made 3s.
This team still has serious flaws, but is playing better and the boys have stepped up on the defensive end - giving up just 0.8 points per possession over the past several games, and is up to 10th in Kenpom efficiency ratings.
While we could lose in the first round, I could also see an E8 or even FF run if we starting hitting anything from outside, primarily because this is really a down year for a lot of teams. While we may end up on the wrong side of the bracket, none of the projected 2 or 3 seeds are going to scare anyone (Iowa, Houston, Villanova???).
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Some tidbits on this Sunday afternoon. - - CBS Sports shows us with a NET of - - -11 , – RPI of - - 15 - & our SOS of - - 11 . - - also KU has more wins against Ranked Opponents then anyone else this year as follows : - Kentucky , Creighton , Texas Tech - 2 times , West Virginia , Oklahoma State , Oklahoma , & Baylor
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@DCHawker getting some early open shots from Braun would be nice. I am not sure if he has backed off on offense or if people are playing him tighter. When I watch him rather than the ball he often has someone on him like glue. He is driving a lot and that makes sense if they are covering him tighter or at least it feels that way
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Coach Self is now 10-1 against AP top 5 ranked opponents at the Phog giving him the highest winning % by any Coach since 1948/ 1949 . The 2nd highest winning Coach ? - -Adolph Rupp 10-3.
Speaking of Adolph Rupp Kentucky fans all in a frazzle worried about how close we are to over taking them for the # 1 spot in all time Wins , we are 6 wins behind them right now. That’s pretty much all you see when you look at their boards - well that and them getting Cal out of Lexington
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@DCHawker well said. I want to go at least 1 deeper than we are expected to, once we see the draw. If thats beating Gonzaga in S16, thatd be the sweetest possible way that plays out. Even getting in their bracket would be exciting. We arent a team built to go 6-0 but 3-0 feels achievable even against the WCC champ overall 1 seed.
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Espn had KU as a 3 seed going into the Baylor game yesterday. Imagine beating #2 and getting their 7th win against a ranked opponent at the time of playing them will have staying power as far as a 3 seed, 4 at worse
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I’m still not convinced KU won’t flame out in the NCAA Tournament. Yesterday doesn’t change that KU is 1-7 away from AFH against at-large teams this season. KU’s offense is going to have to show something in KC during the B12 Tournament to show they can play a complete game against a quality opponent outside of AFH. That one road win was a game against an equally inept offensive team in Texas Tech where KU only scored 58 points for the game.
Can KU play a complete game against a quality team in KC? At this point, they haven’t shown that ability to do so which doesn’t bode well for the NCAA Tournament.
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S16 at best still imo
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Return of the Red Jersey's Game Chat:
I’m still not convinced KU won’t flame out in the NCAA Tournament. Yesterday doesn’t change that KU is 1-7 away from AFH against at-large teams this season. KU’s offense is going to have to show something in KC during the B12 Tournament to show they can play a complete game against a quality opponent outside of AFH. That one road win was a game against an equally inept offensive team in Texas Tech where KU only scored 58 points for the game.
Can KU play a complete game against a quality team in KC? At this point, they haven’t shown that ability to do so which doesn’t bode well for the NCAA Tournament.
ya I’m really still not convinced about that either. - -They have to bring the same kind of defensive intensity as they did last night to have a shot, I just don’t think with the way we have shot the 3 in our past several games that unless we find a way dig deep on the defensive that our offensive side is just too inconsistent. Whens the last time we’ve had a good night shooting the 3 - - I mean with Braun , Obaji & Wilson ALL having decent nights from the 3 we have got to be able to drain some 3’s to have a shot
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@BShark said in Return of the Red Jersey's Game Chat:
S16 at best still imo
Agree - - anything beyond that is icing on the cake for this year
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Right now CBS sports has us as a # 4 - playing Liberty with Ohio State # 1 & Alabama #2 in our side. They have us if we win probably playing Creighton again.
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Don’t think Ohio St is going to stay a 1-seed after losing 3 in a row and being blown out by Iowa today. There will be a lot of make-up games this week and seeds are going to move around. If Kansas takes care of UTEP and wins at least 1 game in the B12 tournament I think they’ll be a 3-seed. Winning one game in the B12 tournament probably won’t be easy though (if the tournament started today our first game would be against Texas). Long shot at a 2-seed if we win out and the teams ahead of us lose.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Return of the Red Jersey's Game Chat:
Don’t think Ohio St is going to stay a 1-seed after losing 3 in a row and being blown out by Iowa today. There will be a lot of make-up games this week and seeds are going to move around. If Kansas takes care of UTEP and wins at least 1 game in the B12 tournament I think they’ll be a 3-seed. Winning one game in the B12 tournament probably won’t be easy though (if the tournament started today our first game would be against Texas). Long shot at a 2-seed if we win out and the teams ahead of us lose.
I dunno your right would be hard but I still feel like we can beat Texas - I know we can
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Return of the Red Jersey's Game Chat:
Don’t think Ohio St is going to stay a 1-seed after losing 3 in a row and being blown out by Iowa today. There will be a lot of make-up games this week and seeds are going to move around. If Kansas takes care of UTEP and wins at least 1 game in the B12 tournament I think they’ll be a 3-seed. Winning one game in the B12 tournament probably won’t be easy though (if the tournament started today our first game would be against Texas). Long shot at a 2-seed if we win out and the teams ahead of us lose.
Who replaces Ohio St. on the 1 line though? Illinois took a bad loss last week, Alabama got blown out, Oklahoma took 2 bad losses, Villanova took a bad loss, Iowa got blown out this week, WVU doesn’t have the resume to move to a 1 seed.
I don’t know if OSU drops from the 1 line yet because of what’s happening everyone else behind them this week.
Gonzaga, Michigan, Houston, Arkansas, and Loyola-Chicago, are the only top 25 teams that didn’t lose a game this week.
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West Virginia also didn’t lose this week.
Right now, Illinois or West Virginia would be my choice for the last 1-seed, particularly if either wins on Tuesday (Illinois plays Michigan, West Virginia plays Baylor). If I were seeding I’d probably go something like:
1’s - Gonzaga, Michigan, Baylor, Illinois
2’s - West Virginia, Ohio St, Alabama, Villanova
But it’s all going to change in the next few weeks so
Edit: Maybe swap Iowa for Villanova on the 2-line.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Return of the Red Jersey's Game Chat:
Who replaces Ohio St. on the 1 line though? Illinois took a bad loss last week, Alabama got blown out, Oklahoma took 2 bad losses, Villanova took a bad loss, Iowa got blown out this week, WVU doesn’t have the resume to move to a 1 seed.
Well, obviously it would be Duke so ESPN will stay interested! I mean, duh…
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Why does Illinois deserve to ahead of OSU at this point? They have very similar resumes, but Ohio St. has the head to head win at this point and that game was at Illinois.
If Illinois goes 2-0 this week which means winning in Ann Arbor and Columbus, then they have definitely have a very strong case for a 1 seed, but that head to head loss to Ohio St. still puts OSU over Illinois to me.
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That’s great to hear. Keep them as your 1-seed then.
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The 4th one seed no matter who is clearly on upset alert Early in the tournament. They would be 2,3 seeds in a normal yr
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Return of the Red Jersey's Game Chat:
@KirkIsMyHinrich Why does Illinois deserve to ahead of OSU at this point? They have very similar resumes, but Ohio St. has the head to head win at this point and that game was at Illinois.
If Illinois goes 2-0 this week which means winning in Ann Arbor and Columbus, then they have definitely have a very strong case for a 1 seed, but that head to head loss to Ohio St. still puts OSU over Illinois to me.
they were talking during the Ohio State game yesterday they are not going to be a # 1 I think they said Ohio State has lost 3 in a row , not sure who that last # 1 will be but not Ohio State
They now have lost to Michigan , Michigan Stae which is not a good look this year & Iowa and ranked 7th
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@jayballer67 It’s a 3 team race for that last 1 seed to me between Ohio St., Illinois, and West Virginia. Iowa would have to run the table and win the B10 Tournament at this point to overcome getting swept by Indiana and losing to Illinois. Alabama and Villanova don’t have the quality wins or strength of conference to take the losses they did last week.
I still have Ohio St. as a 1 seed because they have the head to head over Illinois right now. West Virginia played TCU and KSU last week so they don’t get a bump for those wins yet. West Virginia has to beat Baylor tomorrow otherwise they won’t be able to get to a 1 seed and Illinois needs to beat Ohio St. on Saturday to have a chance regardless of what they do against Michigan tomorrow night since they may not have Dosunmu for that one.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Return of the Red Jersey's Game Chat:
@jayballer67 It’s a 3 team race for that last 1 seed to me between Ohio St., Illinois, and West Virginia. Iowa would have to run the table and win the B10 Tournament at this point to overcome getting swept by Indiana and losing to Illinois. Alabama and Villanova don’t have the quality wins or strength of conference to take the losses they did last week.
I still have Ohio St. as a 1 seed because they have the head to head over Illinois right now. West Virginia played TCU and KSU last week so they don’t get a bump for those wins yet. West Virginia has to beat Baylor tomorrow otherwise they won’t be able to get to a 1 seed and Illinois needs to beat Ohio St. on Saturday to have a chance regardless of what they do against Michigan tomorrow night since they may not have Dosunmu for that one.
For me I couldn’t really give a rats ass who gets the last # 1 KU isn’t in the picture so who the frick cares. The only reason I even mentioned anything was because of what they were saying during the game yesterday, and Ohio State certainly isn’t trending in the right direction to be considered for a # 1 seed and you don’t see to many teams that’s ranked 7th in the Nation going to be getting a # 1 seed , no matter not saying Ohio State is not worth a # 1 but again just relaying what they were saying - I’m justglad to have some kind of a tourney this year
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That was a bigtime win. Keep those lucky red unis. But the win was not due to luck, they outplayed Baylor (though true, Baylor had to be rusty - e.g. their bearly beating the Cyclones). The win bodes well for us come tourney time. With a few breaks here or there, who knows?
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I’m proud of our team.
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They seem to have found that scrappy style that was there early in the season and then disappeared during January. Braun is the leader of that trait; he certainly has been doing his share of the dirty work.
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@COHawk Braun was a steal.
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Ok I get it , ya , ya Baylor been laid off cause of COVID , however it’s getting really old already about the media talking more about it was the COVID .Understand , but when media blowes and says they just not looking like theirself - - umm well there is a major reason for that other THE THE COVID. - -that cause was because of - - - -KU dam come on now, we was all up in that ass defensively never seen that kind of intensity in some time.
COVID ? - -sure - but umm hello KU was there - if you doubt it - watch the replay. - just slapped that ass on the boards by 20 - - -FRICKEN TWENTY for GOD’S sake rebounds was like taking Candy from a Baby. -Now you may not believe me when I say this I don’t give a rats ass , - -but even before all this COVID junk I thought we was going to play then close/tight - -for some reason Baylor does not SCARE ME.
We played them as close as anybody all year and it was the 1st of the year. you can say what you want I have NO problem playing them again. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer67 I’m with you, it wasn’t all rust. They got bullied by us, which is how this team can advance - they have to be bullies.
