Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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This seems like a bad idea: https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/1283261781008437248?s=21
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@benshawks08 this is scary!
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@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I think this is a good call at this point, see where we are at in a month and address it then. Obviously it would be insane to think young kids are going to social distance and wear masks all day.
I had read where they were working on or are going to try when they do open that any child 6th grade and above wear masks - -under 6th they are not required. Voidance of lockers , stagger how many kids are in the halls at the same time - - stagger lunches - -and sanitize hands every hour - -I think it’s a good call too
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@FarmerJayhawk boe still has to approve it, I was wrong, but I guess everyone thinks they will pass it.
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Some info about transmission in kids related to schools opening.
https://twitter.com/ct_bergstrom/status/1284644413470203909?s=21
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@benshawks08 thanks for this.
We detected COVID-19 in 11.8% of household contacts; rates were higher for contacts of children than adults. These risks largely reflected transmission in the middle of mitigation and therefore might characterize transmission dynamics during school closure
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really tired of hearing some people and I’m not meaning here but in person and though others - really sick and tired of hearing people bitch and whine and moan about having to wear masks.
This is an order that has been put in place by the Governor and another thing people trying to make this political - -this is not a political thing - IT’S A DAM VIRUS enough of the petty bullshit. , this is an order mandated by our Governor who is trying her best to protect people and Children from this virus. - -People who have that crap attitude - -GREAT then YOU get it - -get it like the kid that thought it was a hoax and told the nurse when on his death bed saying I think I made a mistake.
Read of WIBW news day before yesterday , that Kansas as per Capita right now, - leads the Nation for new cases of COVID-19 - -so for the size of our State we have more new Cases of the Virus then any other State -and people don’t want to do whatever they can to try and protect themselves or others against this - - -what kind of bullshit is that ?
Sure these masks are an incovience , sure they are a nuisance but tell you what I’d much rather put up with a little incovience - - nuisance then come down sick with this crap - -may not prevent it , but sure isn’t going to hurt to try and protect against what I can.
Really sick of whinny ass people , crying about these masks. Just like a Clerk told my wife today , telling my wife because of her Condition being on oxygen 24/7 if she wanted to she could go to her specialist and tell them how she has hard time breathing while using the mask , and the wife could go anywhere and not have to wear the mask as long as she had that note exempting her. - - Yet my wife STILL wears a mask - -Why ? because she feels that’s her responsibility to do to try and do her pat for this. - -So if SHE can wear a mask when she really wouldn’t have to and then here sniffling little whinny ass bitches crying about having to - - - umm no take that crap somewhere else just wear the dam mask again it’s not JUST ABOUT YOU. - it’s about your Wife , your Husband , your Brother , your Sister , your Mom , your Dad , your Son , your Daughter , your Neighbors , your best friend - -you have more people’s life at stake then just yours step up and act your got a pair and do your part
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@jayballer73 it’s everywhere. here in Virginia we have a governor’s order to wear them in public but my neighbors still routinely comingle and under 6 feet without masks. The worst problem is that their kids hang out constantly without masks. I wish people would understand that their children too have to make sacrifices. This is a nurse, a football coach and a police officer. Once the virus hits one of them it will roll through them all. They also all quietly think that they’ve already had it. I hope for everyone’s sake that they are right. Really unhappy with people using their kids as an excuse to be irresponsible. Weak.
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@approxinfinity Our neighbor’s husband died last night in the hospital after a week on a ventilator. First fatality we have known personally, although not very closely. Stats are so overwhelming they become almost unfathomable, so hearing her sobbing makes it a lot more real.
And I am afraid much, much worse is yet to come.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 it’s everywhere. here in Virginia we have a governor’s order to wear them in public but my neighbors still routinely comingle and under 6 feet without masks. The worst problem is that their kids hang out constantly without masks. I wish people would understand that their children too have to make sacrifices. This is a nurse, a football coach and a police officer. Once the virus hits one of them it will roll through them all. They also all quietly think that they’ve already had it. I hope for everyone’s sake that they are right. Really unhappy with people using their kids as an excuse to be irresponsible. Weak.
agree, but the thing is it has been proven you can get the virus more then once
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Fauci suppression detailed: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/why-is-this-right-wing-flack-and-roger-stone-ally-in-charge-of-dr-faucis-schedule/
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Fully 1% of the city of Logan has now died of Covid after an outbreak at a nursing home. Just horrific.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Fully 1% of the city of Logan has now died of Covid after an outbreak at a nursing home. Just horrific.
In a small city, an outbreak could be devastating. We have seen this rip through small communities and families already, with some families in previous hotspots enduring three or four deaths within their family. The only difference was that, because this happened in larger cities, those smaller tragedies were covered by the larger narrative in places like New York and New Orleans.
This is a tragedy, and points more and more to why it is so important that we cut off the spread of this virus. It is wiping families out and damaging communities in ways that we don’t even fully understand yet.
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This might be something that Texas Hawk might be able to tell us a little more about. - - -I saw this ans right off I called bullshit , and so did many others , there was a lady that had this Headline that said that in Texas the Hospitals were so full they were sending people home not treating that were more likely to die.
People were all saying delete this bullshit and calling bullshit , then another poster saying that yes here is the proff and shared a link. It was from the Ft Worth Star Telegram and pulled that up and sure enough statements be made from Hospital personal , but it wasn’t the only link there was two or three they put up to reference to , also CNN news had reported suposedly. - fricken hard to believe but had multiple links.
The lady had stated - - -And so it begins , and then she said probably people that was poor or no insurance, somewhere in there was mentioned about people that had multiple underlying health conditions. I still think thats so insane, IF that’s the case you think they would be sitting themselves up for a major Law Suit. - - - Texas Hawk ? is this true ? have you heard anything ?
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
This might be something that Texas Hawk might be able to tell us a little more about. - - -I saw this ans right off I called bullshit , and so did many others , there was a lady that had this Headline that said that in Texas the Hospitals were so full they were sending people home not treating that were more likely to die.
People were all saying delete this bullshit and calling bullshit , then another poster saying that yes here is the proff and shared a link. It was from the Ft Worth Star Telegram and pulled that up and sure enough statements be made from Hospital personal , but it wasn’t the only link there was two or three they put up to reference to , also CNN news had reported suposedly. - fricken hard to believe but had multiple links.
The lady had stated - - -And so it begins , and then she said probably people that was poor or no insurance, somewhere in there was mentioned about people that had multiple underlying health conditions. I still think thats so insane, IF that’s the case you think they would be sitting themselves up for a major Law Suit. - - - Texas Hawk ? is this true ? have you heard anything ?
Couldn’t tell you anything about DFW’s status, but I’m assuming it’s just media manipulating numbers to make it seem more dire. Same thing happened here in Houston where there were reports of the Texas Medical Center, which is the largest medical complex in the world, was at 98% capacity. To clarify the situation, the heads of several of those hospitals explained what was going on and it was nowhere near the crisis that it was being built up to be.
The biggest issue hospitals are dealing with at this point is storage space in morgues for the dead, not just Covid deaths, because the social distancing restrictions mean people can’t have funerals so they haven’t been able to bury their deceased.
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@jayballer73 Pretty sure this is what you are referring to. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/us/texas-starr-county-hospital-coronavirus/index.html
Bad in small towns where capacity is low. I know we’ve had cases brought to austin from smaller towns that can’t handle the growing load.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Pretty sure this is what you are referring to. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/us/texas-starr-county-hospital-coronavirus/index.html
Bad in small towns where capacity is low. I know we’ve had cases brought to austin from smaller towns that can’t handle the growing load.
yes , I think that was one of the links. Another link was from the Ft Worth Star Telegram , and then was reported by CNN - just sad
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An interesting thread. Long but good.
https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/1287524301499965441?s=21
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KSHSAA voted to go on with sports as scheduled. Local units get to decide on crowds and all that. It’s probably fine. If two schools from districts with no active cases play each other it’s probably as minimal risk as you can have. A blanket policy for the entire state doesn’t make much sense given most schools are in very small districts in rural areas with few, if any, active cases.
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Kind of a shock to the wichita community
https://www.kwch.com/2020/07/29/wind-surge-owner-dies-from-complications-of-covid019/
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Young gal from Lawrence. I say young, 42 and very healthy
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Seen where both Cardinals and Marlins have players with COVID. Interesting why the MLB didn’t go with a double like the NBA. It’s also worrisome for how both CFB and the NFL will fair. If they can keep everyone in a bubble without actually having a double they may stand a chance. I’ve heard several of the MLB guys aren’t taking it seriously.
I’ve obviously become mad again about March madness being cancelled when the case numbers have sky rocketed since March. School is in the same boat with me, canceled for a few cases in my county. But now with hundreds they say let’s go back to school. Makes no sense logically.
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@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Seen where both Cardinals and Marlins have players with COVID. Interesting why the MLB didn’t go with a double like the NBA. It’s also worrisome for how both CFB and the NFL will fair. If they can keep everyone in a bubble without actually having a double they may stand a chance. I’ve heard several of the MLB guys aren’t taking it seriously.
I’ve obviously become mad again about March madness being cancelled when the case numbers have sky rocketed since March. School is in the same boat with me, canceled for a few cases in my county. But now with hundreds they say let’s go back to school. Makes no sense logically.
Neighbor was telling me last night that THREE other teams now have players with the COVID- 19 , three more other then the Marlins, I still think this sports season when it’s all said is done will be screwed. - -Baseball just the start
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@jayballer73 I’m glad they’re making an effort but I think if they show these pro clubs can’t contain the virus despite the caution they’ve tried to take it adds to the overwhelming proof that sending our snot nosed kids to school is a bad idea.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 I’m glad they’re making an effort but I think if they show these pro clubs can’t contain the virus despite the caution they’ve tried to take it adds to the overwhelming proof that sending our snot nosed kids to school is a bad idea.
agree. We got these kids coming back to Campus from all over the Country and some outside the Country right , and who’s to say how many people have come in contact with others that might be carriers - remember a lot of these people don’t even realize they have COVID-19 cause their cases are so mild - -BAD IDEA
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That being said I got the MLB.tv this month. I think it’s going to be an interesting season until it isn’t.
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School opening off to a good start.
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Nominating this for the worst graph in the history of graphs. #helth https://twitter.com/michaelstavola1/status/1291461585035288579?s=21
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Chicago I heard is the 1st Big School that is not going to have class at present - -going to hold off until after November and re-evaluate - -Said as badly as students wanted , and as Parents also wanted to go back and even Parents agreed that this is just NOT a good time for students to go back, Then today I heard that Michigan was to vote about not having Classes now , Mississippi has school district where they had 100 confirmed cases when students returned, wasn’t implementing Social Distancing - -not wearing mask , showing video of hall ways just an ABSOLUTE ZOO.
Dr Norman said he fully expects the COVID to spike yet again after Labor day - - and there you go. - -the lead Dr the White House Dr responded to the remark from President Trump - -Trump saying this is going to go away like other things this will go away. Dr Faucci said that he just doesn’t think this is AGOING TO GO AWAY , saying this virus is to infectious to just GO AWAY
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@FarmerJayhawk explain, I was watching this when he explained it
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@FarmerJayhawk I think it’s a great graph
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk explain, I was watching this when he explained it
Sure. In cases where you have two variables (in this case, date and cases/100k) you should only use 1 y-axis to ensure the scales are the same. You’ll notice that by using 2 different scales for the y-axis, the actual numbers are really distorted, making it look visually like masks had a much bigger effect than they actually did vs. non-mask counties. Here’s what it looks like using a common scale for the y-axis:
The difference is striking! And to be clear, I support wearing a mask because the science is pretty clear it does help slow the spread, but using misleading documents they’re hurting their case. It’s also not really possible given these data to make a causal claim about masks being the driver of the decrease in cases because there are almost certainly other variables that explain the decrease, and it would take careful analysis and a bunch more data to tease out. To make the claim just using these data we’d have to run time forward with a mask mandate, then go back in time, don’t implement the mandate, and assuming masks were the only thing that changed, look at the difference between the two periods (basically run a giant RCT).
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It’s extremely easy to make charts/graphs look misleading. But yes, wear a mask, it’s basically zero cost.
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for many this will not pertain , nor will people care. BUT I am going to listen anyways just thought I would FWIW pas this along. - - Dr Anthony Fauci will be doing a one on one interview with WIBW at 2:15 - -think it could be interesting his views about Kansas and I’m sure he will give his opinion seeing it is doing the interview with WIBW.
Heard on National news they showed the map & said where it WAS California now the WHO now says there are a NEW 11 hot spots in the United States & Good ol Kansas is kind of stuck like Chuck
They list Colorado - - - Kansas - - - Missouri - - - - & - - - -Oklahoma as hot spots so that is 4 of the 11 new hot spots right here on top of us - if you want to follow by chance all you need to do is type WIBW.Com and should be able to listen - I am just because
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@FarmerJayhawk did you watch his video? He explained why he did it, I understand what you mean, but I also was trying to get why he did it that way. It had to do w/population being so small in the no mask counties and he was doing it per 100,000. 1/3 pop. 90 counties were unmasked, 2/3 pop masks, 15 counties. I wrote that down because I was confused. He also started graph about a week after mandate cause nothing shows up then.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk did you watch his video? He explained why he did it, I understand what you mean, but I also was trying to get why he did it that way. It had to do w/population being so small in the no mask counties and he was doing it per 100,000. 1/3 pop. 90 counties were unmasked, 2/3 pop masks, 15 counties. I wrote that down because I was confused. He also started graph about a week after mandate cause nothing shows up then.
Yeah, whatever he said it was a really bad way to do it. You’re purposefully altering the scale so the effect size looks a lot bigger than it actually is. You’re already controlling for population by normalizing rates to per 100k. It’s quite misleading to put the same time series on different scales and sell them as equivalent. With two variables and two groups you should only use two axes. Full stop.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk did you watch his video? He explained why he did it, I understand what you mean, but I also was trying to get why he did it that way. It had to do w/population being so small in the no mask counties and he was doing it per 100,000. 1/3 pop. 90 counties were unmasked, 2/3 pop masks, 15 counties. I wrote that down because I was confused. He also started graph about a week after mandate cause nothing shows up then.
I watched the video before I saw this thread with keen interest as it suggested compelling evidence that masks are effective. And when he explained that the blue line had a different scale than the red line and that the key was to focus on the trend lines, I let out a deep sigh. I get it, but he’s got to know that approach can be interpreted as deceptive.
It’s a bad graphic that opens him up to questions of objectivity… and undermines his message. Did they do that to make the “mask mandate” counties look better or was it to create a more compact graph or some other reason?
@FarmerJayhawk did it right. In his chart, the evidence is still compelling and accurate.
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If I quit posting for awhile, you all know why. https://twitter.com/unc/status/1294726798387761152?s=21
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@FarmerJayhawk ugh. Be safe man.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk ugh. Be safe man.
Thanks my dude. I pulled the plug on my in-person courses so I’m trying to keep everyone off campus as much as possible. Three outbreaks in a week tells me we won’t be here for long. And check out Aggieville last night. Just wut https://www.facebook.com/ureddi/posts/3310231629063564
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“Students are not to blame. This is on us.” ??? If they’re at the bar they’re presumably 21.
Why must it be zero-sum blame? There’s enough to go around for all!
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Saw a bunch of OU players came back infected. 9
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Yikes, be safe my friend @FarmerJayhawk. @Crimsonorblue22 this was kinda what I was talking about on the football thread. These football players in bubbles are probably safer than the other students that are hanging out, in bars etc. Tho I question anyone’s intelligence that goes to bars and eats in at restaurants in these times.
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@kjayhawks I’ve seen people waiting in line to eat at the Cheesecake Factory in the mall. Like, what are you even doing? They serve to go people! I’m certainly not risking it for over priced, mediocre at best food.
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@FarmerJayhawk The anxiety of going back to school and interacting with groups of people is very real. Glad my district is starting all online for the first 4 weeks and reevaluating from there. I was in a CPR training today and 3 people continually pulled down their masks to talk to each other. Why where the mask if you’re just going to take it down to spew your droplets all over the people you are excited to see?!!
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Basically it’s all an overblown election year stunt. Sure the disease is bad for a subset of people, but the hysteria and the politicalization of medicine and science has been over the top.
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The 9 OU players had gone home since they weren’t playing for awhile. Came back infected.
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@Bwag interesting article. what would be the appropriate level of response in your eyes? No shut down?
