Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond)
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@mayjay that is my problem with the media, they push whatever they can regardless if it’s half the story or even true. The media continues to attempt to divide us.
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@mayjay that wasn’t out there when I read it. I saw a video of a male officer talking to them where it happened and where the BB gun was found. I thought he did a good job of trying to teach them how much that BB gun looked like the real thing and they could’ve been hurt really bad.
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@kjayhawks I don’t think so. This version came out after all the angry posts reacting to the bystanders’ video. The police released their version quickly. But the media there published it quickly, too. I see no manipulation by the media. This story was driven by social media.
In the past, police never felt much need to give their version, and if a video was provided it was often delayed for months and edited. Only with the prevalence of cell phone cameras have we started seeing versions other than the official ones.
The media are not at fault for the suspicions of the police. That is on the cops, the prosecutors, and police unions that reflexively protect even murderous cops
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@Crimsonorblue22 His feeling of vulnerability while waiting for backup unfortunately kept the situation highly charged because he kept his weapon out without any explanation, and it looked like if the kids made a mistake by moving improperly another tragedy would have occurred. A good reason cops should not patrol alone.
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@mayjay the guy I saw was at the Lil convenience store.
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@mayjay was that a gal or a guy? I don’t want to watch it again.
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@mayjay if you go down further on the comments there’s a video at the convenience Store.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1231189
Warped and ridiculous.
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Those mobs of roaming white kids … oh wait, 13% of the population but nearly every time this happens, well, BLM. Yet so we’re not racist, we should act as if groups of black kids aren’t threats. Even though we see repeated incidents of this.
“I don’t know what else I could do," he told KTRK-TV. “The fifth one at the end came out of the store after purchasing goods, and came up to me and kicked me in the face and said, ‘Black Lives Matter, [expletive].’”
https://www.foxnews.com/ I us/group-brutally-attacks-customer-outside-texas-convenience-store-video-shows
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A succinct summary of some of the cases giving rise to the current protests:
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Sad, but also sad that other races suffer the same fate.
Obviously … except to the leftist … if police were not forced to have high numbers of police in inner city black areas, then the contact between blacks and the police would be less, per capita.
But the leftist sees only racism and not a broader view of cause and effect.
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@HighEliteMajor Well one this is for certain: We are going to have a whole radically new pile of data to analyze shortly.
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@approxinfinity True … this is insanity. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29328113/oklahoma-state-mike-gundy-accused-using-racial-slur-1989-game
Heck, 31 years ago? This is the lead story at ESPN.com. The lead story.
And we see the further movements to tearing down monuments to HISTORY? I mean the NEGRO league hall of fame remains open. No name change. Why? It’s HISTORY. We can’t change history. Doesn’t mean certain things are celebrated. They are remembered, good, bad, indifferent.
Should we hold a long stranding grudge against the Japanese because they thought they were superior to us, bombed and killed thousands of Americans, and started the pacific war?
Well, if we hold that grudge or an old World War II vet might still call them Japs, well he’s an old racist that can’t let things go. I heard a discussion on that a while back.
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@HighEliteMajor said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@approxinfinity True … this is insanity. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29328113/oklahoma-state-mike-gundy-accused-using-racial-slur-1989-game
Heck, 31 years ago? This is the lead story at ESPN.com. The lead story.
And we see the further movements to tearing down monuments to HISTORY? I mean the NEGRO league hall of fame remains open. No name change. Why? It’s HISTORY. We can’t change history. Doesn’t mean certain things are celebrated. They are remembered, good, bad, indifferent.
Should we hold a long stranding grudge against the Japanese because they thought they were superior to us, bombed and killed thousands of Americans, and started the pacific war?
Well, if we hold that grudge or an old World War II vet might still call them Japs, well he’s an old racist that can’t let things go. I heard a discussion on that a while back.
Yes, we should tear down monuments to traitors who decided America wasn’t good enough because you couldn’t keep another man as your property. We don’t have a monument to the pilots who bombed Pearl Harbor. And we shouldn’t have monuments to traitors that weren’t built until the most racist President we may have ever had’s(Wilson) administration.
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@FarmerJayhawk I like your limited thinking there. I think your reply defines the difference between rational debate and idiocy.
We can debate General Lee. And monuments. But I ain’t debating George Washington.
And I ain’t cancelling Dukes of Hazard because blacks or leftist are offended by a flag on a car.
Idiocy vs. reasonable discussion.
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@HighEliteMajor said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@FarmerJayhawk I like your limited thinking there. I think your reply defines the difference between rational debate and idiocy.
We can debate General Lee. And monuments. But I ain’t debating George Washington.
And I ain’t cancelling Dukes of Hazard because blacks or leftist are offended by a flag on a car.
Idiocy vs. reasonable discussion.
Where did I mention Washington? That’s one of my favorites in DC. I specifically said CONFEDERATES. We shouldn’t glorify people who fought a war over whether you should be able to own people. Full stop. I protested and advocated Silent Sam on UNC’s campus to come down since it glorified the Confederacy and was financially a big drain on the university. You can say whatever you want and call me a leftist (which is a lie) but I don’t see what’s controversial about taking down monuments to traitors.
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I dont think we should have statues up that are reminders to 10.3% of the population that their ancestors were brought here as slaves, and that they and their descendents have been treated as subhuman by many.
Replace it with something less offensive. The reasoning to keep them up at this point is weak. This isn’t a slippery slope. Let’s get past the past.
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Regarding the negro league hall of fame, sure… take the statues down and throw them in a museum. I’m all for that. They don’t need to be prominently displayed in downtown Richmond.
I think re: your point @HighEliteMajor , a museum is a more appropriate venue for contemplating the good and bad of history. Monuments are for heroes.
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It is highly encouraging to see that some people have come so far in their understanding, shaking off the virulent hatred of their childhoods. A testament to human potential.
“George Wallace’s daughter reflects on current racial unrest: ‘America is hurting’” https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/18/politics/peggy-wallace-kennedy-bash-intv/index.html
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Ja Morant recently asked Murray, KY where he played his college ball at to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee in town. My first reaction was why did that town even have a Lee statue to begin with. For those unaware of US history, Kentucky was one of four states where slavery was legal, but voted against secession from the US and remained part of the Union during the Civil War. The other 3 states were Delaware, Maryland, and Missouri. A group of counties in northwestern Virginia refused to follow the rest of the state also voted against secession from the United States and created the new state of West Virginia and fought on the side of the Union during the Civil War.
Why would a state that sided with the Union during the Civil War vote to put up a statue of a man who committed treason against them?
Tear the statues down and put them in museums somewhere to teach the true history of the south in the Civil War, not the bastardized version that southern states try to teach. Most states, including Texas still try to push the narrative of States’ Rights being the biggest factor in secession which is an absolute lie. Specifically, southern states didn’t want the federal government making laws restricting slavery which obviously pissed the south off and so they went and tried and failed to gain their independence from the US.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
Specifically, southern states didn’t want the federal government making laws restricting slavery…
And not just in the South. With the Fugitive Slave Act and the Dred Scott decision, the southern states obtained the power to force free states to return escaped slaves, and for slavers to take their slaves wherever they wanted. Effectively exporting slavery throughout the nation, and severely curtailing free states’ own state sovereignty.
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@mayjay Don’t get me going on Roger Taney and the Dred Scott case. That was the absolute worst ruling our Supreme Court has ever made.
Lincoln is also the most overrated president to me. Not enough people understand Lincoln’s views on black people and he probably would not be viewed as favorably as he is if it was more well known he wasn’t an abolitionist, initially he just wanted to contain slavery to states it ready existed in and had no plans to abolish slavery initially. Not enough people also realize the Emancipation Proclamation was purely a political ploy to get reelected because of how unpopular the Civil War was in the north and that it didn’t actually free anybody. It only freed slaves in territories considered to be in rebellion (Confederate held areas) and didn’t apply to slaves in the Border States of Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, or West Virginia who all stayed with the Union or to parts of the Confederacy the Union had already gained control of such as Tennessee and a big chunk of Louisiana.
Lincoln also didn’t believe black and white people could ever coexist and was a big proponent of the Liberia Plan which was a plan to send freed blacks to a colony created for freed slaves in Liberia.
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@HighEliteMajor none of this happens now without the backdrop of COVID. The Gundy story wouldn’t be on the frontpage because there would be sports going on, but also because the Black Lives Matter resurgence is reigniting in a tinderbox moment.
My point is ESPN doesn’t have a whole lot more relevant sports material right now, unless you want them all in on Bundesliga (I’m game). It would be great if going after Zion didn’t conflict with their own interests.
If you’re saying ESPN is garbage, I’m with you. They have been garbage for years. Fat and lazy. I’m just curious what you think should be on the front page.
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@approxinfinity I eat lunch from 11:30 - 12:30 most days, and usually I eat out. Before all this started, ESPN was constantly regurgitating their hero Kaepernick. It was constant on the TV during this time … Bob Ley or some other host. Constant. They got stupid stuff like the “Undefeated” where all they do is talk about racial B.S. constantly. ESPN is garbage.
@Texas-Hawk-10 You don’t know much about the Supreme Court. And it’s just foolish to talk about Lincoln like that. Really idiocy. Lincoln’s actions preserved the nation. Get that? You hear that? PRESERVED THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I don’t care whether he really thought this, or something was a political ploy, etc. It all pales in comparison to perhaps the greatest achievement a president has accomplished.
Most overrated? Perhaps the most stupid thing I’ve seen posted in while. Please take it back.
It’s like saying Franklin Roosevelt was overrated. Heck, folks say he was racist. Didn’t invite Jesse Owens to the White House, while inviting others. But guess what … the guy won WW II. Lincoln saved the country as well.
http://new.wymaninstitute.org/2019/07/facing-up-to-fdrs-racism/
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@HighEliteMajor I’m tired of talking about race too. The events of the past few weeks have made it clear to me that we need to solve the issues so we can stop talking about it.
If this country were a person they would be a self-loathing hand-ringer.
If our separation from slavery was a messy divorce, where was the alimony?
Also, why haven’t the pictures of slave owners been taken off the wall?
And why is racism still following us around in an unmarked car, in violation of the restraining order?
The logical conclusion is that some part of us as a country isn’t willing to let it go.
We need to work together to find a new identity.
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@approxinfinity What is most important is to realize that if we wanted to, we white people can stay in our homes, watch Netflix, order delivered groceries, and totally immerse ourselves in whatever we want. We can forget all the race stuff any time we want.
Blacks and other minorites cannot afford for a second to forget that at any time going into public they risk possibly being targeted or suspected or followed or accused because of their color.
Actually, even innocently at home they risk being mudered.
Any white saying they are tired of this should start by reading Black Like Me, then watch Selma, followed by The Forgiven. After that, go talk to persons of color about their experiences with LE. Then shut up about how big their own burden is.
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You know the tide is turning when noted left-wing rag… National Review(!) says Confederate monuments should mostly come down. https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/confederate-statues-debate-conservatives-shouldnt-defend-symbols-secession/
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@mayjay I’m allowed to be tired of talking about race, and when someone says they’re tired of something, forcing what they’re tired of down their throat is in my opinion pretty insensitive, tone deaf and counter productive. I think this line of whitewashed reasoning is akin to the simplistic, artificial, white-flight archetype it purports to combat. I.e. you’re tired of it too, and you’re throwing out a half baked solution, you may just not see it.
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All of our lives we’ve been talking about race. Do you want to talk about us white folks and those brown folks and those Asian folks and how ne’er the twain shall meet for the rest of our lives? Do you want our children to have to be divided by race? Or do you want to get past it?
I’m sick of talking about it. You are too. Let’s fix it.
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The blinders we wear. Some people think football players kneeling = disrespecting the troops. Others think being tired of something means a lack of compassion.
Exhaustion isn’t malaise. We all know what we are dealing with. And that’s where I think you guys have @HighEliteMajor pegged wrong. Someone writing page after page after page about something isn’t someone who doesn’t care. It’s someone who is tired of bullshit and wants solutions. We can disagree about those solutions (we do!) but hanging him out to dry as a racist because he is sick of our broken self-image as a nation is an oversimplification of where he is coming from.
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I am neither exhausted nor tired, and not sick of talking about it with people who are affected. Poor little white people, victimized by the consequences of ignoring it except when things go crazy.
My black neighbor’s niece got pulled over last Friday for not having proper window tinting. She was near her son’s elementary school to pick him up, so she pulled into the parking lot there. Yanked out of the car by the white cop in front of the kids, and (lightly) frisked. He gave her a ticket. She called her mother as she walked back to the car and said to her mom, “No, I don’t know what the hell that was all about!”
The cop heard her, and arrested her for cursing on school property. The school principal and security officer tried to get the cop to back off because it wasn’t even something the kids could hear. My neighbor is related to a police chief in a major city here, knows the Columbia police chief well, and has a state senator as a relative. After she and they started burning up the phones, the cop let her go about 6 pm.
If my neighbor wasn’t “connected” the niece would have spent the weekend in jail.
And if I hadn’t gone over to my neighbor’s house on Sunday and said, “Hey, let’s talk about what’s been going on” I never would have known about it. Or had a chance to wonder how often that crap goes on.
Go ahead, pretend that we are able to be racially neutral. Just be aware that when someone is targeted because of race, the fact that you don’t want to hear about the anger it causes doesn’t make that anger–the product of 400 years of oppression, rape, and muder–go away.
As for your willingness to absolve HEM, you have done it for years. He attacks people all the time, and you desperately need to think his long-winded bullshit reveals an intellectual current worth crediting. You never call him out for abusive language, but you have done so with me and others.
If you think HEM is not a racist, you just aren’t paying attention. A dialog with someone who spews the “blacks should be happy they were enslaved because Africans are worse off” line is repeating almost word for word what Robert E. Lee said 164 years ago, around the time he was breaking up his slaves’ families through selling the parents separately and their children, too.
I am done with this discussion and pretty much this forum. Trying to talk to someone who thinks HEM is worth listening to is just too frustrating. While you try to listen, he will continue to spew his hatred and disdain. Enjoy.
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@mayjay So you’re only tired of talking about it with people who disagree with you?
You’re angry about it. But I think your anger is misplaced when it’s aimed at any white person who disagrees with you.
I believe that we all have unconscious biases. But I reserve the racist label for people who actively hate on other races, not just say things that seem insensitive or illogical.
I’ve stated numerous times that it’s not my job to police people on here. I do what I can and I have called out HEM before.
The context of this being tired of talking about race is in regards to crappy ESPN articles about race. ESPN, a place we go for sports. Similarly, crappy books I had to read growing up in public school simply because they were about race. I didn’t mind the good ones, mind you. I minded the crappy ones. Your neighbor’s story is a great illustration of the real problems and police reform is top of the list.
I’m trying to be a realist and a centrist. If you don’t like how I go about it that’s fine. But as a moderator I’m trying to remain moderate.
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Answer me this… what affect would my reading “Black Like Me” have on the police officer arresting your neighbor’s daughter? What affect would it have on anything? What does it say about your unconscious bias of how you think I conduct my life that you think I need to read “Black Like Me” and then “shut up”?
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@approxinfinity Okay, I will grant you that you could reach that conclusion from my wording. So an explanation is in order.
I am disgusted by racist people, and feel no need to engage with anyone who does not respect what other people have to say. I also see no reason to engage in ongoing discussions about why hateful people should be listened to. As to well-intentioned people like yourself, you may wish to fool yourself about HEM but you cannot get me to follow that path. So, my energy will go into talking with dozens of people who can recognize racism and hatred when they see it.
Neville Chamberlain believed Hitler wanted peace because he said so.
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@mayjay PS I said more above… Kept editing my post.
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@mayjay ok thanks for meeting me more in the middle. I just think what we are fighting now in an awareness of unconscious bias and not racism for 97% (? arbitrarily large number. Vast majority is what I mean) of Americans.
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@approxinfinity “Shut up about how big [a white person’s] burden is” is what I said about someone tired of the whole thing, not simply shut up.
I think you do yourself a disservice by saying you are tired of it or sick of it. If you are seeking solutions, you by definition are not just griping–a better phrase for you might be “frustrated by the need to talk about it”. I am talking about the people who are tired of being inconvenienced, and wish the blacks would just realize how much better they have it than it was before.
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@mayjay So I don’t think of it as a disservice because I think it’s ok to just say you’re sick of it. I think that falls under pursuit of happiness. Some conversation is productive. Other conversation isnt. Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo talking about whats going on is idiotic. They’re both insufferable.
I think this board is a great example of the debate about what unites us. Is it discussing our differences (i.e. race and socioeconomics) or discussing our similarities (KU bball fandom)? I am opposed to the idea of dwelling on negatives because I think it creates a culture of negativity. So i think we need balance. And that doesn’t mean dropping bombs of negativity from an opposing view. Genuine positivity. That’s why @FarmerJayhawk 's take is imo the most refreshing on a regular basis. He tries to find the good.
Also, I’m sure there are times I’ve been overly pessimistic myself… This is how I’m feeling now: we need balance and optimism to get us through this.
And hey, tearing down the monuments is something exciting. I hope we replace them thoughtfully. Police reform is something more exciting. I think while defunding the police seems nuts, the positive spin is that it will show us things we never would have seen. And more deliberate reform hopefully will follow, leading us somewhere good in the end.
That’s how I get through the Trump administration, coronavirus quarantine, now this. Hope that by seeing our worst we can better achieve our best.
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@approxinfinity said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@mayjay So I don’t think of it as a disservice because I think it’s ok to just say you’re sick of it. I think that falls under pursuit of happiness. Some conversation is productive. Other conversation isnt. Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo talking about whats going on is idiotic. They’re both insufferable.
I think this board is a great example of the debate about what unites us. Is it discussing our differences (i.e. race and socioeconomics) or discussing our similarities (KU bball fandom)? I am opposed to the idea of dwelling on negatives because I think it creates a culture of negativity. So i think we need balance. And that doesn’t mean dropping bombs of negativity from an opposing view. Genuine positivity. That’s why @FarmerJayhawk 's take is imo the most refreshing on a regular basis. He tries to find the good.
Also, I’m sure there are times I’ve been overly pessimistic myself… This is how I’m feeling now: we need balance and optimism to get us through this.
And hey, tearing down the monuments is something exciting. I hope we replace them thoughtfully. Police reform is something more exciting. I think while defunding the police seems nuts, the positive spin is that it will show us things we never would have seen. And more deliberate reform hopefully will follow, leading us somewhere good in the end.
That’s how I get through the Trump administration, coronavirus quarantine, now this. Hope that by seeing our worst we can better achieve our best.
Appreciate the kind words, sir!
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@FarmerJayhawk we shall call you, Pollyanna!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@FarmerJayhawk we shall call you, Pollyanna!
Ha! I don’t hate it
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Imagine how tired minorities (esp Black and Latino) must be of being passed over for jobs and promotions in favor of less qualified white candidates.
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@mayjay said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
If you think HEM is not a racist, you just aren’t paying attention. A dialog with someone who spews the “blacks should be happy they were enslaved because Africans are worse off” line is repeating almost word for word what Robert E. Lee said 164 years ago, around the time he was breaking up his slaves’ families through selling the parents separately and their children, too.
DING DING DING DING DING.
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@FarmerJayhawk my friends call me that all the time, always the peacemaker.
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@BShark said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
Imagine how tired minorities (esp Black and Latino) must be of being passed over for jobs and promotions in favor of less qualified white candidates.
Sort of tangentially, I teach this paper every semester in stats/quant methods in policy. https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/0002828042002561
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
@BShark said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):
Imagine how tired minorities (esp Black and Latino) must be of being passed over for jobs and promotions in favor of less qualified white candidates.
Sort of tangentially, I teach this paper every semester in stats/quant methods in policy. https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/0002828042002561
This lines up with the experiences of people I talk to. Some people end up using initials or adopting a secondary “white sounding” name to bypass at least the initial biases.
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@FarmerJayhawk thanks for the link. Good stuff.
@BShark I work at an agency that helps people find work. We are very aware of these issues and are exploring options to mitigate the problems. There are many other factors besides names. Employers value individuality and what sets you apart, so it’s a balancing act.
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The reality is that most don’t want to have a discussion on this topic. I’ve said it before, but the “he’s a racist” claim shields one from having to face facts. It’s easy for small minded among us (like @BShark) to avoid his lack of intellect with the accusation. But as I’ve said before, ok, now what?
I provided a link from a fellow far from a conservative that largely echos my positions (Orlando Patterson). Yet, it’s easier for many of you to be dishonest or to again cry racism.
But ok, let’s say certain positions are racist? Ok. So what? Talk to the blacks the live the horror of inner city violence. Intellectually, the claim that it is racist doesn’t matter. Intellectually, what matters are facts and logic. And the truth is, I have a lot of facts. Significant facts that can’t be refuted. They are facts that make leftists and white apologists uncomfortable. Thus, there positions are just dismissed as racist because they can’t be refuted.
One of the posts I remember is when I pointed out the issue of black out of wedlock births. Resident skinny jeans leftist @benshawks08 was caught off guard. He really didn’t even know what I was talking about. He further was attacking and dismissive of the role of faith in being part of the solution But of course, @benshawks08 - being an atheist homosexual - has a clear bias against those items having relevance. Why? Because it personally offends his existence. But we can certain exist together. He can be a gay atheist in America. Fine. But he lets that personal bias interfere with discussing realities.
Nevermind the former (leftist) mayor of Chicago, after eight years on the job, identified the out of wedlock births and faith as key components to attacking inner city violence.
And see, that’s it - the dishonest left, many here, won’t consider that this analysis is a pie graph. Lots of slices.
You can see many folks that want to have a discussion, like @approxinfinity. He doesn’t agree. But he works to address facts and logic. And there is a large difference. I throw @FarmerJayhawk in that group. I made the mistake of throwing the leftist label his way. My mistake. But he tends to attack the argument, and the issue intelligently, like @approxinfinity.
Perhaps the worst of this forum is @mayay. I’ll tell you why.
First, @mayay is a lawyer. That’s fine. I’m a lawyer. Ah, you didn’t know that. But with @mayjay, look back on his posts, when he’d get boxed it, he’d pull out the I’m an lawyer thing to throw in folks faces. As if he then had the higher ground. Well it’s pathetic. I’ve been posting for over 15 years and never once did I pull that out. Why? Because that wasn’t part of the discussion.
Second, @mayjay is full sh**. Go back and look. There was a discussion on NCAA rules and a rules interpretation. @mayjay pulled out the, well, unless you’re a lawyer thing, to support his argument. But worse, he threw out legal terms that had no applicability. That’s the b.s. lawyers use to shut down discussion. For example, he cited a principle called “res judicata.” That is a legal principal that relates to “claim preclusion.” You can’t re-litigate the same claim. @mayjay cited the term in a our discussion in response to his incorrect interpretation of the rule – WHICH HAS NO APPLICABILITY AND WAS COMPLETE BULLSH**.
Just so you know, you non-lawyers, he’s full of it. I’m a litigator, regularly deal with that issue (together will collateral estopple, which is issue preclusion).
Again, I just didn’t feel the need to throw that in folks’ face like @mayjay does.
BUT WORSE, @mayjay IS A LIAR. He does this regularly. He’s suggest someone said something, but that’s not what they said. Then he’ll used the incorrect citation to make a point.
Above, @mayjay, used a Hitler analogy. @mayjay is a complete idiot.
BUT HERE’S A RECENT AND SIMPLE EXAMPLE OF @mayjay’s DISHONESTY. BLATANT.
@mayjay said, referring to me, A dialog with someone who spews the “blacks should be happy they were enslaved because Africans are worse off” line is repeating almost word for word what Robert E. Lee said 164 years ago, around the time he was breaking up his slaves’ families through selling the parents separately and their children, too. And of course, idiot @BShark quoted his material.
He used quotes, but I never said that. He made it up. Further, assuming the use of quotes was loose, it’s still not what I said. Here’s what I said,
It seems quite a bit better to be an African-American vs. just an African. But perhaps my opinion there is off …
And more foolishness – true or untrue, blacks in America are better off than blacks in Africa? Undeniable. Turn that however you want. The point is sometimes that your reach a place in history, and most times through tragedy, that places the next generation in a better position that the prior generation. The Japanese and Germans, through tragedy, propelled America and our nation to a place that would not have been achieved without such tragedy. Do we wish it wouldn’t have occurred? Sure. Of course. But are we, our generation, in a better position because of it? Definitely.
And then @Kcmatt7 says, oh, I guess the Jews should be “happy” for holocaust because they now have Israel.
It truly the simple minded that cannot differentiate.
The point is that once tragic events happen, sometimes, the end result is better for those that follow. I’m sure the lives lost in the Revolutionary war were tragic. But the result was better for future generations. Simple concept.
But you can see (if you truly try) the significant difference. Now one is saying ANYONE should be thankful for slavery, or WWII, or the Holocaust, or any tragedy. But it is undeniable that a tragedy can place the future generation in a better position than they otherwise would be.
THE CHALLENGE IS TO FREE YOUR MIND TO DISCUSS TOPICS THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL, THAT CHALLENGE YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS, THAT MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE. WE’RE SEEING THAT NOW. BUT IT’S A TWO WAY STREET. BLACKS HAVE TO FACE THE REALITY THAT GREAT MANY OF THEIR PROBLEMS ARE A RESULT OF THEIR BEHAVIORS – PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. IF FOLKS HERE CAN’T EVEN GRASP THAT, WELL, THEN YOU ARE LOST.
I’m just not going to quietly be beat over the head for being “white” if someone is not going to have the discussion about “blacks.”
It seems ok to group all of us “whites” together, but the minute it’s a discussion of “blacks”, then we can only use the term “blacks” when it comes to discussing them as victims or their positive characteristic – but we sure as he** better not discuss their failings.
And, of course, my discussion on blacks has only been on the warped and depraved black inner city culture. That’s all. And that’s all I’m concerned about. Inner city loss of life is horrific and that’s the drum I’ve been beating.
Perhaps, if you don’t want to find a solution to that (leftists) then perhaps you are the true racists – I mean, if inner city black deaths at the hands of other blacks is acceptable.
HERE’S WHAT’S EVEN MORE FUNNY. I’VE DESTROYED THE LEFTISTS HERE ON THIS TOPIC. UTTERLY DESTROYED YOU. YOU ALL SIT BACK AND SHAKE YOUR HEAD AND MUTTER “RACIST”, BUT YOUR PATHETIC ASS** HAVE BEEN HANDED TO YOU ON A PLATTER.
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This podcast really got me today.
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@HighEliteMajor you got a lot of anger in you man. It doesn’t help when you feel you aren’t being honestly heard. But if our goal in discussing things is to destroy one another, rather than inform one another and make each other think, we are only going to get more entrenched.
