O' Chubby Ankles
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Even though I wish nothing but the best - -this is yet STILL another reason the NCAA is a fricking joke.
Local sports show saying the reason Quentin was Granted his waver? - -Because Quentin - said there was no Scholi for him to return to KU.
Like the host of the program said - -no ill will against Quentin - - BUT for him to be granted because of that - -then you have some that want to transfer out to be closer to family that may be ill and not be granted a waiver for immediate eligibility - - is just insane. - - -ONLY THE NCAA - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Glad we did the right thing in both releasing him and helping him get his waiver. Wasnt a fan of his while he was here but wish him the best.
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So basically under the new rules, you can test the waters, lose your scholarship spot, and transfer without sitting just because your scholarship was gone?
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chriz said:
So basically under the new rules, you can test the waters, lose your scholarship spot, and transfer without sitting just because your scholarship was gone?
from the sounds of it - - pretty whacky - -and yet kids who are wanting to transfer closer to home because of sick relatives in some situations are NOT granted waiver - -how crazy is that
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I saw a couple college basketball writers that said if a transfer can get the school they are leaving to help with the transfer as in they are saying it’s in good faith kids are getting cleared to play.
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Woodrow said:
I saw a couple college basketball writers that said if a transfer can get the school they are leaving to help with the transfer as in they are saying it’s in good faith kids are getting cleared to play.
Seems fair. No reason a player should have to sit out if they were basically kicked off of a team, imo.
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It’s still a slippery slope though in terms of getting kicked off a team if that’s what it was. If a player is effectively told your not coming back then likely there is cause for that decision. Given how big of a recruit he was coming in you don’t end a relationship like that without good reason. Seems like that part was left out. We know there was behind the scenes issues with the Grimes Camp. KU helping in the process of his waiver is a nice gesture, keeping relationships mutual but I would love to know the whole scoop. This sets precedence for the future. I have generally been all for players having the ability to transfer and play immediately but this one seems off.
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I suspect that was the plan from the beginning. He would be here for one year. Both sides agreed, and made plans accordingly.
Certainly a different way of thinking about commitment. A one-year scholarship offer? But if that’s the understanding on both sides from the beginning, then they are just following through with the plan. Doesn’t mean he was kicked off the team. His one-year offer expired.
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Its interesting that Charlie Moore wasnt given the same treatment. His dad is actually sick, Grimes’ dad thinks he’s Jordan. A big difference there.
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kjayhawks said:
Its interesting that Charlie Moore wasnt given the same treatment. His dad is actually sick, Grimes’ dad thinks he’s Jordan. A big difference there.
Moore will be able to play this year for Depaul.
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That is a good point, there was the expectation coming into the season that he was a OAD. He was being mocked inside the lottery in the draft and he was expected to be an important player on the team. When things didn’t go as planned he then used whatever leverage he could find to get eligible immediately. Some 800-900 kids didn’t get that luxury when they wanted a different situation. Cases like this pave the way for others to piggy back off in the future. For the good and bad of the sport
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The eligibility rules are mostly antiquated anyway. There’s no real reason why someone should have to sit out a year, other than to make transferring more difficult. If college athletics is supposed to be mainly about the benefit to the student athlete, finding a better situation should not come with a penalty.
There is some thought that athletes that are struggling on the court/field also do worse in the classroom.
I see transferring from a program the same way I see a student transferring because they are unhappy with their major/professor/adviser. As a student you have to look for the right fit. If you land in the wrong fit, your future prospects suffer.
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@BShark I hadn’t that, good for him.
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@justanotherfan I agree to a certain extent but it seems like the college game is headed straight for a free agency kinda of system.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark I hadn’t that, good for him.
Last I saw over 90% of kids that applied for a waiver to play immediately received one.
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Works out mutually beneficial. Kid wants to go, school pulls the schollie, both sides keep any extra incentives provided/received quiet, kid keeps eligibility and school doesn’t get sanctioned.
Usually works out well, that is.
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kjayhawks said:
@justanotherfan I agree to a certain extent but it seems like the college game is headed straight for a free agency time of system.
Life is a free agency system.
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So why did Withey, Charlie Moore, Dedrick Lawson, KJ Lawson, every KU transfer in ever have to sit? The NCAA is a big freaking joke. No consistency, I don’t care what the rule is just enforce it evenly.
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dylans said:
So why did Withey, Charlie Moore, Dedrick Lawson, KJ Lawson, every KU transfer in ever have to sit? The NCAA is a big freaking joke. No consistency, I don’t care what the rule is just enforce it evenly.
This is a recent change. I doubt Withey and the Lawsons even applied for immediate eligibility. Plus for Withey the forced RS year helped a lot.
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@BShark I’d like to see the number of that 10% that are KU guys. I bet it’s super high.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark I’d like to see the number of that 10% that are KU guys. I bet it’s super high.
I meant this year only. Seems like some more are now being denied like Quinerly.
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dylans said:
So why did Withey, Charlie Moore, Dedrick Lawson, KJ Lawson, every KU transfer in ever have to sit? The NCAA is a big freaking joke. No consistency, I don’t care what the rule is just enforce it evenly.
I think there is a great argument to be made that Moore should have sat two years.
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My favorite part of the current team is no sit out transfers. I know Malik and Dedric were good but I’m pretty off it.
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at least this one didn’t get a waiver
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@BShark I dont mind one every now and then but a team of rejects from elsewhere shouldnt ever be KU basketball. If Vick stayed gone we wouldve had more because Sam Cunliff wouldve stayed.
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Heh. I will be tracking Evansville this yr.
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@BShark I actually think he had upside and with Vick quitting. It anyone we could’ve had may have helped.
