Discount Double Transfer Game Thread
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Poor shot selection too
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Kind of wondering if the Pac 12 just wanted a big win because their conference is struggling. I mean there were some very bad calls.
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Something for the players to chew on along with Christmas dinner.
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When the announcers, including PAC 12 fan Walton, are calling fouls…multiple times…and the refs are not it really says a lot about the refs.
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This means nothing in the big picture but man we got hosed, I’ve seen a player charge at an official screaming and not get a T.
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FT disparity ended at 32-16. We didn’t just shoot jump shots. Believe something like 80% of our points were in the paint.
Obviously our mistakes cost us, but we shot nearly 94% from FT. Unheard of.
Nation laughs at refs. Not ESPN / Nike nation though.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. REFS sucked, but we did it to ourselves. Can not continue to depend on Vick and Lawson. We do not have a well rounded team. They need help and do not have it. Could have easy lost several games before now. Thankful to be where we are!!!
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The ESPN PAC 12 crew was calling fouls the refs were not.
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approxinfinity said:
Oh well. I just wish it wasn’t Bobby Hurley. Cuz F Duke.
Worst thing about this loss is now Duke will likely be #1 for the rest of the season and the Zion coverage will be even more intense. Oh boy
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dylans said:
and the Zion coverage will be even more intense.
Not possible.
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Funny thing is, except for the last few minutes, I thought we looked better than we did in our last few nail-biters.
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And. as a respite from all the gloom, the Chargers did get beat tonight.
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Poor officiating, but that had nothing to do with stupid turnovers throughout the game, including 4 outlet passes intercepted.
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@dylans Who cares about being #1? Means nothing now. Just concentrate on getting better. Get Doke back and start kicking ass from here on out. Conference means a lot now. Got to show we are still the head of the class. Lets go guys. Bow your neck and use this as incentive.
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@mayjay AMEN!!! to that.
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We played pretty well for the first road game against a good team. We just didn’t make shots down the stretch. The Garrett tie up was a huge call at that time and the Dotson over and back where it didn’t look like he even touched it and if he did it was second and out on them. Why that was not reviewed is head scratching. I don’t think the officiating was bad in the second half outside of a few calls but the first half was as bad as I have ever seen. I wouldn’t pull a KSU and say it was all on the refs, we had too many quick silly shots and turnovers. Good teaching point for the guys and like I said it really means nothing in the grand scheme of things. We are the best team in the country anyways someone else can have number 1 til April for all I care.
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Grimes was fouled on the 3, Remy threw Marcus down at half court
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Okay, time to put this one in the rear view mirror. The holiday is approaching.
Think I’ll kick back with a warm holiday libation. (NOT Remy Martin!)
In case I get too busy to post during Chiefs-Seahawks, MERRY CHRISTMAS to my fellow KU Buckets board rats. Hope the coming year brings you health and happiness.
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Big Clyde52 said:
Goodbye #1. Just pathetic ball handling thru out the game. SO SAD!!!
people get all to hung up on being ranked # 1 during the season - -it is not all that period - just for fans don’t know many times have to say that.
This is just ONE game in the season -Not even conference game. - -for playing the 1st true road game thought we played pretty decent - -led for 38 minutes of the game - -Grimes still in a massive slump - -not defending either. - We or at least I had read about how aggressive ASU was about getting to the rim completely different from last year -they score a lot from the line, even though STILL the were ALOT of questionable calls - this doesn’t really surprise me.
It’s not the end of the season by any means just ONE scheduled game during the season - -Dedric was a stud - -just got to move on - -work on things. - -Some how Grimes ha got to shake this funk , he STAYS in this - -then no way is he a one and done. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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You think Vick is worried about Dedric getting all the pts? He’s taking way to many shots imo
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@Big-Clyde52 I think you missed the point of my post.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Grimes was fouled on the 3, Remy threw Marcus down at half court
Dotson and Dave both took shots to the head that weren’t called.
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Upside: At least that one AP asshat voter from Grand Rapids will move us into the top 25 since we have now played a true road game. Moving up!
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@BShark Eh. The refs sucked, but so did KU in the second half.
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dylans said:
@BShark Eh. The refs sucked, but so did KU in the second half.
Yeah, I am willing to assign equal blame. Refs, KU players and Self.
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@jayballer73 Like my other post said, I don’t care about being #1 now. Bragging rights do not win championships. It just puts a bigger target on your back. Like we really need that!!! Just get everyone healthy and set our sights on another Big12 crown. Then see what happens in March and April.
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I’m kinda upset Grimes only seems to play hard when scouts are in town. He and Vick must have a personal contest on who could throw up the most ridiculous shots. I love how Walton was complaining about that travel, which it clearly was by the way and then didn’t have the balls to says jack about a weak carry on Dedric. Maybe we just shouldn’t play pac12 teams anymore lol. I not surprised we lost just disappointed to lead for over 37 minutes and give it away.
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Well I like being 1, and I can’t stand Hurley! Do we play them again next year?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I’m pretty sure that was the return game.
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@dylans just a 2 game deal?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think so. All I see is Duke, Nova and Stanford on the 19-20 non-con so far.
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@dylans I may have. Sorry. I am pretty emotional right now. Just can not stand the sloppy play. The refs may have been bad, but that does not make us make bad passes and other stupid mistakes. I said before if we had scored on just one third of our TO’s, we would have won by 15. No more excuses.
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@dylans how long is that Stanford deal?
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I commented how their bench really hurt us last year and it did the same again tonight. Our bench had 5 point and theirs 26. Charlie Moore is just a complete waste of space if he’s no hitting 3s, he has not net gain in every other aspect of the game.
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@Big-Clyde52 It’s cool. I’m just saying I don’t want Duke to be numero uno.
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@dylans Especially in April.
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We knew they were gonna get bit eventually. Terrible sloppiness and just plain lazy defense. Probably the least fundamentally sound team in quite a few years. There’s time to fix it, but it’s just plain ugly and has been and the truth is we’re probably fortunate to be ahead of 500 right now as it is. May be a harsh reality. But it simply is reality. Can blame officials or injury or the NCAA or whatever. Doesn’t change the fact
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@kjayhawks We have no bench that can score. The game before is happening only once or twice a season. I was shocked that Garrett hit so many FT’s tonight. Usually about 50%.
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WOW we shot only 41% overall and 25% from three and only lost by 4 lousy points. It sure seemed like we had more than 16 turnovers, which I believe lost the game as much as the shooting woes.
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FT’s were the difference down the stretch. ASU shot 32 of then to KU’s 16. There were also a couple of missed calls that went ASU’s way late that had a huge impact as well. A missed travel on ASU when the were pulling closer and Grimes got fouled on the 3 that he air balled and the refs didn’t call it.
The officiating in this game was horrendous, but ASU was the more aggressive team once Lawson picked up his 4th foul and KU couldn’t adjust. Lawson is KU’s offense and until KU gets develops a reliable second and third option, KU won’t blow decent teams out, let alone good teams.
Dotson is getting closer to being that second option, but KU desperately needs Grimes to get going. I’ll also tell everyone right now what his problem is. Texas HS basketball is garbage, especially the Houston area where Grimes came out of. The AAU scene sucks here so it’s rare to see elite players come out of Texas ready to make a huge impact right out of the gate unless they leave the state to go to a prep school somewhere else that’s more competitive.
Vick and Moore are also both very streaky players and are not reliable to get points every night. Garrett, like Grimes, is a product of the poor Texas HS scene.
McCormack just isn’t ready yet to be anything more than a guy getting put backs as a means offense and Lightfoot is Lightfoot, he’s in there for his defense.
KU needs Doke back and us really missing DeSousa because he could’ve been that consistent offensive threat off the bench KU needs.
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This game is nothing more than who we are right now. We’ve shown great character in winning close games but in true road games, the close game thing is more risky.
We’re not at full strength. But concerning is the negligible stat line contributions from the bench.
We have hope to get much better. A realistic chance of being much better.
I just think this is a team that can pick up steam late as guys progress.
The Achilles heel is our bench (Moore, KJ, Lightfoot, McCormack). Adding Doke moves Garrett to that role which he’s more suited for.
We should all sleep well. We have a team with upside.
SDS. Join us.
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Oh my. We shoulda won that game by 20. What an odd finish. Pretty good 37 minutes, followed by an unusually un-poised 3 minutes. I believe Self just took the blame for a few of the cluster effs where we had guys running into each other in the final few minutes. That was unsightly. How the hell did we lose? Mainly because they started triple teaming Lawson and the bench crapped the bed I guess. We sure need a more consistent presence other than D. Lawson. That won’t be too hard to game-plan against in the tourney. Maybe Dok when he returns. Grimes. Sigh. I feel the need to repeat myself (sorry): I’m not sure i’ve ever seen a guy more chicken shit to take it strong to the rim. It’s like you can see him starting to do math in his head when he gets the ball near the basket. not smooth. And his passing…two feet away and he’s zipping 100MPH fastballs face-high. I’m going to consider this game a win. Still have no clue how we lost. Seriously. Did any of you think we’d lose at halftime?
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@jayhawkcsg I was worried at halftime because we had an 8 pt lead that should have been at least 12 based on how it seemed we outplayed them. I was worried that our missed opportunities could come back to bite us. Didn’t feel right.
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Big Clyde52 said:
@kjayhawks We have no bench that can score. The game before is happening only once or twice a season. I was shocked that Garrett hit so many FT’s tonight. Usually about 50%.
Overall we shot nearly 94% crazy.
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