UH-OH - Sounds like trouble in Aggieville
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Behind the friendly, grandfatherly facade lies a ruthless individual that controlled and ruled the program with an iron fist and stayed long after he should have retired because KSU would not acquiesce to his demand that his son be named to succeed him. The new coach better have an ironclad clause in his contract that Snyder will not interfere. I am sure Snyder lurking behind the scenes will keep some potential coaches away.
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The current hold up in signing a new coach is that Snyder wants, at a minimum, that his son be kept on staff, if not named the new coach. Most new head coaches want to bring in their own staff, so its tough to insist that the new coach retain the current special teams coach. But that’s just another way for Snyder to keep the new coach under his thumb.
Sean Snyder was kept on staff by Prince (we all see how that turned out). I am sure the current candidates are keeping that in mind.
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Why does it matter what Snyder wants? Dude was fired, regardless of the story the public was given.
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dylans said:
Why does it matter what Snyder wants? Dude was fired, regardless of the story the public was given.
Snyder is incredibly influential at KSU. He’s the most powerful man on that campus by a large margin. He has more “juice” than the president and AD combined.
Snyder has more influence at KSU than Bill Self does at KU, and its not particularly close. He basically has a say in anything he wants to have a say in. They teach a leadership class based on his 16 pillars or whatever he calls them.
I’m not sure there is a person at a D1 school with more power and influence at their university than Snyder has at KSU.
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@justanotherfan but not enough to get his son hired.
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justanotherfan said:
dylans said:
Why does it matter what Snyder wants? Dude was fired, regardless of the story the public was given.
Snyder is incredibly influential at KSU. He’s the most powerful man on that campus by a large margin. He has more “juice” than the president and AD combined.
Snyder has more influence at KSU than Bill Self does at KU, and its not particularly close. He basically has a say in anything he wants to have a say in. They teach a leadership class based on his 16 pillars or whatever he calls them.
I’m not sure there is a person at a D1 school with more power and influence at their university than Snyder has at KSU.
Had. His act has gotten ahem old. It’s sunset time. Hope it doesn’t Paterno him, but I do hope for KSU he disappears only to return for fund raisers as requested.
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dylans said:
Why does it matter what Snyder wants? Dude was fired, regardless of the story the public was given.
Because it’s in his contract that he gets input on the next coaching hire.
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@FarmerJayhawk what was that official title?
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@FarmerJayhawk As in he has a say, or input that can be ignored? Seems like he’s run his course in Manhattan. I’d listen to what he has to say and do whatever I wanted, were I the AD. Or is Snyder the AD too?
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Oh yeah, ambassador, does that mean he chooses the next coach?
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If he really gets a big say in who the next coach is and what he does, they may as well kept him around another year or 2 because that is going to run off several coaches. Coaches want to run the ship without someone over their shoulder at every turn.
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dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk As in he has a say, or input that can be ignored? Seems like he’s run his course in Manhattan. I’d listen to what he has to say and do whatever I wanted, were I the AD. Or is Snyder the AD too?
I believe the language is “give appropriate input on hiring the next coach” or something really similar. I think it’s intentionally ambiguous. If he gets his way it’ll be Leavitt. Sean isn’t interested.
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@FarmerJayhawk The lack of interest is similiar in the fan base out here regarding Sean. Actually it’s more of a please, no! Leavitt perks up ears. Littrel gets a blank stare.
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What has really surprised me is that in virtually every list of “possible coaches” I’ve seen, Leavitt is NOT on the list! I had kinda understood that he was a shoo-in to replace Snyder. I don’t think he’s even been “interviewed” in Manhattan by the AD like several others have been. Guess the guy from NDSU who seemed to be the front runner for a while was not offered, at least not yet. Does sound like there is a “tug of war” going on in Manhattan between someone(s). Thought they would have decided by now…but the longer they wait I think the better for us!
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The scoop that I got was Littrell was offered the job but they wouldn’t allow him to bring in his whole staff and couldn’t agree with North Texas on the buyout. So hard to tell fact from fiction on these deals til someones name is on the dotted line and announced.
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@dylans Not to nitpick, but aren’t there lots of blank stares among that fanbase in general?
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KSU has a new coach, Chris Klieman from North Dakota State.
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@JayHawkFanToo Well he’s already undefeated as an assistant in Manhattan
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Good hire imo.
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@Kcmatt7 I actually think it is a great hire for KSU. He fits what they need very well. I also don’t think he will jump ship if he is successful for a few years like Littrell, Brown, Norvelle, etc… would have. He knows how to develop talent and find under the radar guys.
I also saw a quote from the Miege coach saying he is very impressed with him and has a relationship with him from NDSU recruiting some Miege players.
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This is a good hire for KSU provided he can do his job without interference from Snyder. The biggest challenge for him is going to be recruiting. The step up from FCS to P5 is probably three steps up the recruiting ladder. It will be interesting to see how he does recruiting against Texas and Oklahoma.
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justanotherfan said:
“It will be interesting to see how he does recruiting against Texas and Oklahoma.”
And Les Miles for the Kansas kids!
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He has an outstanding record at NDSU but it is a big jump to a P5 program and time will tell how well he does at the higher level. Obviously KSU thinks highly of him and offered a very good contract. The question is how long before he gets tired of dealing with Snyder who thinks he owns the program. I guess what happens to Sean Snyder will be telling, if he stays or gets promoted we will see Snyder’s fingerprint all over; if he is let go then it will mark a new direction for the program, and an overdue end of the Snyder era.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
He has an outstanding record at NDSU but it is a big jump to a P5 program and time will tell how well he does at the higher level. Obviously KSU thinks highly of him and offered a very good contract. The question is how long before he gets tired of dealing with Snyder who thinks he owns the program. I guess what happens to Sean Snyder will be telling, if he stays or gets promoted we will see Snyder’s fingerprint all over; if he is let go then it will mark a new direction for the program, and an overdue end of the Snyder era.
Was just getting ready to say the same thing - -and saw you just stated what I was thinking. - -Ya he did well at North Dakota St - - and yes he had a couple of upsets against P-5 schools. However while it’s nice to have that upset -HUGE difference from that and having to compete/battle against P-5 schools - -week in - - -week out. Day - -after - -day - - after - - day. - -and trying to match up with some of these jaugernauts - -is a totally whole different ball game there sparky.
He WAS NOT their # 1 pick – as a matter of fact they had several pull out - -It was basically down to this guy and Brown from Troy right? - -the biggest hang up was Synder - -the 1st choice wanted to bring his whole staff - -KSU nixed that, ha d another one from Memphis say - - -umm - -NOPE- - I THINK Ol Bill has turned this into a cluster - we will see - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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And yet – -we shall see – guess that’s why we play the game — as always ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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One thing to note, is that he inherited a well oiled machine at NDSU and has maintained it well but he hasn’t had to build anything let alone at the P5 level. NDSU has had good success against FBS competition but it ain’t like they have played a ton of good schools, only one ranked team on that list and several crappy programs kansas included.
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NDSU has dominated its class and successfully punched well above it’s weight class against P5 competition. A solid program any way you look at it.
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Just to add a bit of context to the chart, Klieman was head coach at NDSU since 2014. He only oversaw the wins over Iowa State and Iowa. Still pretty good, but that record isn’t entirely due to Klieman.
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I was talking about the program, very solid.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
I was talking about the program, very solid.
Programwise, NDSU has been better than Alabama, and for longer.
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@JayHawkFanToo No one would question the greatness of the program. I’m just saying I think I’d rather have him in Manhattan than Littrell or Leavitt. Those guys built programs at the FBS level from scratch, I’m not saying KSU is in shambles but the cabinet isn’t full either. I personally think the Sunflower Showdown is better in all sports when we both have respectable teams but I don’t want KSU to have a ton of success.
