For anyone interested, there is already a “highlight” video on YouTube:

and of course it includes the end of the game!

Unfortunately, common sense doesn’t seem to be all that common.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

https://twitter.com/bmarcello/status/1423027095463239695?s=21

Roger Marshall wants a federal investigation

What a clown. Glad Senator Karen wants to talk to the manager at Disney instead of doing his actual job.

Couldn’t agree more (though I do not think he has any idea of what a Senator SHOULD be doing based upon what he has done)!

Whether he was a “good” or " bad" hire is now somewhat academic…he has been hired. I think the best thing to do now is to support him as much as we can and hope things work out (no results are ever “guaranteed”). The time for "what if"s is over. Not quite as pessimistic as you are about the B12. Figure that there is a >50% chance the B12 will survive. I’m thinking that neither UT nor OU will want to leave IF a new TV deal is within a couple of million of what they would receive elsewhere. Both have attractive T3s that could make their total take close to or possibly even above what they could get elsewhere without going through the hassle of “moving” (new “rivals”, longer travel, more different time zone to deal with, etc.). But, IF the TV contract is not that good, I do agree that if either “leaves”, even if the B12 survives as a conference name, it will be a P4.5 at best. If both left, then G5 (or AAC) it is for most of the survivors. In that case, the fate of KU is certainly up in the air, in my opinion.

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Second that!! Just a minor thought…can we get back to a font similar to the one on the old board? Something like Ariel might be a good replacement for New Times Roman if available for the board. But in any case, keep of the good work…I know I appreciate it…and I think everyone who uses this Board does as well!

@Marco said in Big12 expansion:

@ICThawk said in Big12 expansion:

@bskeet I think your analysis is spot-on but I think given the right opportunity ANY of the schools would leave the Big XII.

I think he is spot-on too, but where would they all go? Answer, for most of them nowhere. The biggest complaint that I have, no geographic proximity at all.

The premise was that “if the right opportunity arose”, not that it necessarily would arise for any or all of the teams currently in the Big XII. What I was saying is that for the teams presently in the conference (not including OUT of course) the Big XII is not seen as a 'destination" conference where they might LIKE to be. If any BigXII school received an offer from the B1G, SEC, ACC or probably even the PAC, not that any such offer may be forthcoming to any of the schools, I believe that the school(s) would accept in a 'New York minute.". As you indicate, until an offer is received the schools are here by necessity, not by choice.

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@kjayhawks I HOPE we have a way out as well…with the B1G or SEC. Doubt anyone other than OU and UT have a “guaranteed” way out, if either or both “want” to leave—and with the money involved that is a GREAT possibility. I can’t imagine the B1G picking up either KSU (academics, as well as a duplicate if they picked up KU) or ISU (duplicate in a relatively small state), and I don’t think either would be “worth” the $70M-$80M share distribution of the conference. I’m not sure we have that value “alone” either, but would “average” that amount with either OU or UT, or both as a "tag-along school. Think we have a decent chance at B1G IF they expand (if they lose both UT & OU not sure they would expand at all) and even the SEC (kinda keeps the B1G from expansion without the ACC (because of the ACC GOR) and PAC12 (possibly too far away except for Colorado, which probably prefers the PAC for all of their CA alums). The SEC (for better or worse) would realign us with MIzzou and make KU-UK games a yearly affair. The SEC is already strong in football so it could use some more BB talent, not to mention another AAU school. I just don’t see KSU, ISU or anyone other than possibly TT having a home (and that only if UT “insists”) other than in a “reformed” B12 which would probably no longer be a “power” conference if both OU & UT left , and maybe not even if only one of those two left.

@Crimsonorblue22 Agree with you wholeheartedly about that contract…though it seems to have been an “oversight” by the Athletic Corporation Board of Directors…who obviously in hindsight placed too much trust in Zenger who showed, at best, bad judgment, compounded by the Board abdicating its responsibility (as provided in its By-Laws). Setting general policy IS the job of the Athletic Board…carrying out that policy responsibly is the job of the AD. Just like a Board of Directors in a corporation, the AD being the President of the corporation. The Board sets general parameters but the “nitty-gritty” of carrying out those policies (the details like hiring/firing personnel) are left to the discretion of the President. But, the President still remains ultimately responsible to the Board and if they so choose, the Board may terminate him if they do not believe he is responsibly carrying out their policies. Because it was Zenger’s responsibility (coaches, contracts, administration) he was terminated, and properly so, even if regrettably later rather than sooner (in my opinion)…

Well, if the Kansas legislature is faced of having ONE school in a “power” conference as opposed to NO schools in a “power” conference, they might change their minds (if legislators actually have minds). I’m not sure how they would pass a “law” that requires KU & KSU to be in the same conference but I supposed at least some KSU alum in the legislature might try it. As to your comment re the B1G, I certainly hope you are correct, though I think what you are hearing is more wishful thinking than economic reality. If the B1G doesn’t get OU or UT, I just don’t see them expanding at all. Why would they? I don’t think the SEC would expand either unless they get OU and/or UT. Unfortunately KU just doesn’t add enough economic value on its own to increase the per school distribution in either conference. So why expand? In fact I think it would would probably DEcrease the payout per member with KU alone, not what most schools in a conference would desire. I think our best hope is to be a “tag along” with either OU or UT to either the B1G or SEC (I doubt we can be “picky”) in which case the “average” value of the pair would still be an increased payout. If the SEC gets both OU & UT, our only hope would probably be that UT “insists” on TT ( I don’t think OU can “insist” on OSU) and KU tags along as the 4th to keep the numbers “even”. I would guess by the 2030s the distributions will be so high in the B1G and SEC that few schools (MAYBE Notre Dame, Florida State and possibly Clemson) would bring enough value to merit inclusion in either of them. The only “exception” I would make would be IF somehow, we can cut out or significantly reduce the amount the NCAA takes from “March Madness”. That would make a basketball school MUCH more valuable instead of just relying on football for much of the value of a school, at least as far as media payouts are concerned.

@Marco said in Big12 expansion:

@ICThawk said in Big12 expansion:

@bskeet I think your analysis is spot-on but I think given the right opportunity ANY of the schools would leave the Big XII.

I think he is spot-on too, but where would they all go? Answer, for most of them nowhere. The biggest complaint that I have, no geographic proximity at all.

The premise was that “if the right opportunity arose”, not that it necessarily would arise for any or all of the teams currently in the Big XII. What I was saying is that for the teams presently in the conference (not including OUT of course) the Big XII is not seen as a 'destination" conference where they might LIKE to be. If any BigXII school received an offer from the B1G, SEC, ACC or probably even the PAC, not that any such offer may be forthcoming to any of the schools, I believe that the school(s) would accept in a 'New York minute.". As you indicate, until an offer is received the schools are here by necessity, not by choice.

@bskeet I think your analysis is spot-on but I think given the right opportunity ANY of the schools would leave the Big XII.

@nwhawkfan I really don’t understand the notion that adding a school gives you a market. Houston…the Texans, Astros, Rockets, Dynamo, etc. not to mention UT, A&M, or even TT…and that leaves UH where 15% (that is not a typo) of the student body lives on campus…it’s a commuter school!! How much does that really “add” ? Pretty much the same for UCF. Just too many other “entertainment” options in their markets to make those schools much of the presence, That’s not to say the Big XII had much choice but to add schools (I hope BYU doesn’t become a mini-Texas in “demands”), and those are probably the “best” available ones. But to ascribe significant market penetration to these schools (maybe BYU In SLC is the exception) merely on the size of the market is foolhardy and at best is putting lipstick on a pig, in my opinion.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

https://twitter.com/bmarcello/status/1423027095463239695?s=21

Roger Marshall wants a federal investigation

What a clown. Glad Senator Karen wants to talk to the manager at Disney instead of doing his actual job.

Couldn’t agree more (though I do not think he has any idea of what a Senator SHOULD be doing based upon what he has done)!

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they’ll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I’d put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Who we talking here Farmer ? - -We talking about possibly KU to the ACC OR B1G - or are we talking West Virginia ?

Your Kansas Jayhawks! 0% chance WVU gets even a sniff from the B1G. Academics are not good

You still thinking the Big 10 for KU ?

ACC or Big Ten. I believe whichever decides to jump in the expansion pool first invites KU.

That’s my concern…what if neither decides to expand?

Unfortunately, common sense doesn’t seem to be all that common.

Well, I’ll kind of expand on FarmerJayhawk’s hunch. I think it’s “two-fold” attack…first, to go on a “fishing expedition” to see if they might turn up something useful to their suit, as well as (and probably more likely I think) to attempt to “embarrass” the athletic department by trying to find any possible “dirt” in/on the department to the point that the department determines that any continued embarrassment (whether it’s actually related to the suit or not) is not worth continuing to fight the suit. I understand that both of these tactics are relatively common in"big money" lawsuits.

Other than OU & UT, I don’t think any school out of the B12 has a “guaranteed” home. As of right now, I think KU will PROBABLY come out OK…and surprisingly probably to the SEC, despite our football!! UT & KU both have pretty long records with ESPN so I’m thinking that ESPN doesn’t want to lose either if it can help it. So, unless there is some kind of “deal” between Fox & ESPN “exchanging” some teams, I think ESPN would try to keep both. As the conferences ESPN is “all in” on are the ACC & SEC (as well as the AAC), think only the SEC makes sense geographically and compatibility wise (though admittedly the “culture” of the SEC may be a little “odd” for KU). (Do remember that we may be beginning to “adjust” to that culture given our AD’s and football coach’s lineages.). Other than OU, UT and PROBABLY KU and TT, think the rest of the conference will be “as is” and simply expand mostly out of the AAC to get to 12 or 14 (or even possibly “merge” with it). It could well become a “tweener” conference in the pecking order with the Power Conferences (B1G, SEC), then “Secondary Conferences” (ACC & PAC12 , possibly with the BigEast considered for basketball only), then the B12, then a “reformed” AAC , followed by all the other conferences in some order. However, there are still several years until “realignment hell” is upon us so things could well change (for the better, or for the worse) in that time frame! Buckle up…it could be a wild ride!!

Well, if the Kansas legislature is faced of having ONE school in a “power” conference as opposed to NO schools in a “power” conference, they might change their minds (if legislators actually have minds). I’m not sure how they would pass a “law” that requires KU & KSU to be in the same conference but I supposed at least some KSU alum in the legislature might try it. As to your comment re the B1G, I certainly hope you are correct, though I think what you are hearing is more wishful thinking than economic reality. If the B1G doesn’t get OU or UT, I just don’t see them expanding at all. Why would they? I don’t think the SEC would expand either unless they get OU and/or UT. Unfortunately KU just doesn’t add enough economic value on its own to increase the per school distribution in either conference. So why expand? In fact I think it would would probably DEcrease the payout per member with KU alone, not what most schools in a conference would desire. I think our best hope is to be a “tag along” with either OU or UT to either the B1G or SEC (I doubt we can be “picky”) in which case the “average” value of the pair would still be an increased payout. If the SEC gets both OU & UT, our only hope would probably be that UT “insists” on TT ( I don’t think OU can “insist” on OSU) and KU tags along as the 4th to keep the numbers “even”. I would guess by the 2030s the distributions will be so high in the B1G and SEC that few schools (MAYBE Notre Dame, Florida State and possibly Clemson) would bring enough value to merit inclusion in either of them. The only “exception” I would make would be IF somehow, we can cut out or significantly reduce the amount the NCAA takes from “March Madness”. That would make a basketball school MUCH more valuable instead of just relying on football for much of the value of a school, at least as far as media payouts are concerned.

@kjayhawks I HOPE we have a way out as well…with the B1G or SEC. Doubt anyone other than OU and UT have a “guaranteed” way out, if either or both “want” to leave—and with the money involved that is a GREAT possibility. I can’t imagine the B1G picking up either KSU (academics, as well as a duplicate if they picked up KU) or ISU (duplicate in a relatively small state), and I don’t think either would be “worth” the $70M-$80M share distribution of the conference. I’m not sure we have that value “alone” either, but would “average” that amount with either OU or UT, or both as a "tag-along school. Think we have a decent chance at B1G IF they expand (if they lose both UT & OU not sure they would expand at all) and even the SEC (kinda keeps the B1G from expansion without the ACC (because of the ACC GOR) and PAC12 (possibly too far away except for Colorado, which probably prefers the PAC for all of their CA alums). The SEC (for better or worse) would realign us with MIzzou and make KU-UK games a yearly affair. The SEC is already strong in football so it could use some more BB talent, not to mention another AAU school. I just don’t see KSU, ISU or anyone other than possibly TT having a home (and that only if UT “insists”) other than in a “reformed” B12 which would probably no longer be a “power” conference if both OU & UT left , and maybe not even if only one of those two left.