The Next Coach
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@BShark Ya that’s what I thought to. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Oh and that is a real link for anyone wondering.
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Enos more likely is interested in being Les’s OC. Locksley, not Enos, calls plays at Bama. Enos is looking to get back after it. If the rumored names for assistants work out, it’s going to be a hell of a staff.
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@FarmerJayhawk Enos could be a solid guy to have on the staff, not sure he would be ready or able to tackle this job as a HC.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Enos more likely is interested in being Les’s OC. Locksley, not Enos, calls plays at Bama. Enos is looking to get back after it. If the rumored names for assistants work out, it’s going to be a hell of a staff.
Article says he is the QB Coach and associate head Coach for Saban - -so ya your right. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Some Smoke coming out about Justin Fuente… I doubt the trigger gets pulled but I’d love the hire.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Some Smoke coming out about Justin Fuente… I doubt the trigger gets pulled but I’d love the hire.
Where are you seeing this? That would be amazing. But there’s no way it’s happening since the search is done.
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I’m looking, but I can’t find it again. If I come across the link again I’ll shoot it to you. I doubt he gets fired regardless, but it would immediately have become my #1 choice.
I know Les is probably the guy, but I’m going to keep my ears and eyes open until there is some pen to paper.
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Al the rumors about Fuente are from a year ago when FSU and Tennessee( among other big programs) were allegedly interested. He was not interested then and does not seem to be interested now and, if he wants to leave, he would be at the top of every list and KU would have zero chance of getting him…short of making him the highest paid coach in college football.
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@JayHawkFanToo Not the one I saw today. I’m still looking, I’ll find it again at some point. But after a 4-4 start and a bad loss to a bad ODU team, fans aren’t happy. They aren’t happy with the offense and the defense has been truly terrible in some games.
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My inside sources tell me Pooka will be heading to Texas A&M next season regardless of whom is named coach.
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Wheels coming off…
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@JayHawkFanToo I wouldn’t say it’s in stone but my sources swears he heard straight outta his dads mouth. If Miles comes and he transfers, I’d call him a fool.
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Yeah Pooka’s dad keeps saying he’s an SEC back and real football blah blah. If he wants to leave an offense where he’ll be featured for the next 3 years that’s on him.
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Petrino fired at Louisville, does it mean competition for KU for Miles?
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@JayHawkFanToo Yes I think so
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@JayHawkFanToo Not really. They are going to hire Brohm from Purdue.
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Miles to KU isn’t going to change unless something drastic happens like Michigan firing Harbaugh and offering Miles (Neither will happen this year). Brohm to Louisville is a pretty solid bet as well.
That would leave Purdue and Maryland competing against each other which since they’re both B10 programs, will probably have a lot of overlap.
I don’t think this will be a very busy year for coaching changes among P5 conference programs. The only other jobs I could see opening up from a firing are North Carolina, Rutgers, and Ole Miss. Louisville is probably the only one, maybe North Carolina or Ole Miss too, that will hire an active P5 coach to fill their vacancy.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Miles to KU isn’t going to change unless something drastic happens like Michigan firing Harbaugh and offering Miles (Neither will happen this year). Brohm to Louisville is a pretty solid bet as well.
That would leave Purdue and Maryland competing against each other which since they’re both B10 programs, will probably have a lot of overlap.
I don’t think this will be a very busy year for coaching changes among P5 conference programs. The only other jobs I could see opening up from a firing are North Carolina, Rutgers, and Ole Miss. Louisville is probably the only one, maybe North Carolina or Ole Miss too, that will hire an active P5 coach to fill their vacancy.
Michigan will never hire Les. Bridges were burned.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 If it hasn’t already happened I read where the USC coach is on the hot seat as well - - probably gone , if that’s the case that might be a challenge with Miles
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There’s always one or two surprise firings. I don’t have my ear to the ground on football as much as basketball, but with the leash as short as it is at the D1 level, and the P5 level in particular, it wouldn’t surprise me to see some jobs open up.
Remember, coaches can also be derailed by scandal. I wouldn’t have guessed the Maryland job would be open, but it is. Michigan State and Ohio State probably won’t be open, but there are scenarios that could open those jobs up.
Nobody expected that Baylor would fire Art Briles until the house was already burning down. Nobody thought K-State fans would ever be unhappy with Bill Snyder, but here we are.
I would guess that a P5 job that isn’t on anybody’s radar today will come open this offseason, and that job will throw a wrinkle into everyone’s hiring process.
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So heard on the radio a name and I honestly haven’t heard about him but who is this Graham - -I think they said 10 bowl games in his last 12 years - -sounds like there might be some baggage though. - Anyone? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Ahhh so found out. - - He was the Arizona State Coach - -has an overall record of like 94-51 - -10 bowl games in 12 years , also Coached at Tulsa – and Pitt. - -The Garbage supposedly is he left Tulsa in the middle of the night and text his assistants that they no longer had a job , has beaten some upper programs.
Being said mutual interest. - -Some saying would make sense with Long’s trip that went to Arizona and the Louisiana stop that didn’t happen. - -Sooo let’s hear cause I don’t know - -is he a guy we would want? -Several said he would be a great hire. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Todd Graham, former coach at Arizona State. Beaty was one of his assistant coaches at Rice. Here is a link with more information. At this time Long needs to have some options otherwise Miles has all the leverage; could be a decent option.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooo
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If the next head coach isn’t Les Miles, Dave Doren or Seth Littrell I’ll be skeptical.
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I don’t want DD but otherwise agree.
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@BShark Doeren would be a great hire if KU could get him this time, but Zenger may have burnt that bridge beyond repair. He’s done a nice rebuild at NC State.
Personally, I think I would like Doeren to be the coach after Miles. Let Miles come here for however long and build the foundation and make KU an attractive place and then bring Doeren in after Miles to continue trying to elevate the program.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Doeren would be a great hire if KU could get him this time, but Zenger may have burnt that bridge beyond repair. He’s done a nice rebuild at NC State.
Personally, I think I would like Doeren to be the coach after Miles. Let Miles come here for however long and build the foundation and make KU an attractive place and then bring Doeren in after Miles to continue trying to elevate the program.
This is a really solid idea but like you said DD may be done with KU due to Zenger.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Todd Graham, former coach at Arizona State. Beaty was one of his assistant coaches at Rice. Here is a link with more information. At this time Long needs to have some options otherwise Miles has all the leverage; could be a decent option.
Todd Graham is not a decent option. Graham may have won games, but two of his head coaching jobs only lasted for a year before he bolted, including his “dream job” at Pitt. He would treat KU as a stepping stone and nothing else. KU can do better than Graham.
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I can’t figure out why it’s taking so long to name the next coach? Why fire a coach still in season if you don’t have another coach on the line. Rumors floating the reason Miles hasn’t been named yet is because of his last contract. I guess he gets a big pay day at the end of the month. Yet man KU needs to get on that recruiting trail.
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I saw where Les gets his buyout payments from LSU on the 30th of every month. Could he be wanting to milk one more payment out of them before signing with KU?
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@DoubleDD The season isn’t over yet, don’t expect to hear anything officially until after the Texas game.
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If I were Les Miles, I’d wait to see what all comes open first anyways. That Purdue gig could be nice now that Brohm did all of the hard work. I wouldn’t rule out a return to OSU. Gundy’s days may be numbered. The OU job could be open (not that he’d get it), etc.
There will be a lot of better jobs open up. It will take a financial commitment and a long contract to get Miles here. It’s only smart for him to see what else could be out there for him.
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KU also need some leverage. If Miles knows he is the only option he can ask and get a lot more money; however. if KU is looking at more than one viable prospect then it has some leverage in the negotiations.
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I would be STUNNED if it wasn’t Miles.
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Just pondering. Miles is 65. Why sign up for such a dumpster fire … unless you have no other options? Which begs the question of whether you want a guy with no other options? But I can’t argue with the name and results. Would be a home run on paper. Amazing actually. I expect something like a double, but perhaps back picked over-running second.
If not Miles, I like Jeff Tedford as the next best, and then the two service academy coaches (Army/Air Force). But I will trust Jeff Long and not second guess for a while.
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Am listening to talk about the foot ball program right now from local sports. - - Jeff Long is getting the sports media pretty pissed. – I guess for the SECOND time about the KU staff taking and leaving and headed out for Louisiana - -which every thing indicates about Les Miles.
Well today Jesse Newell and some others heard that the flight schedule supposed had two planes leaving and it was scheduled for Louisiana.
So media headed to the KU airport come to find out - -that one of the Airplanes doesn’t even exhist not registered at all. - The one that is registered - -was actually scheduled to head West towards Colorado. - -Really can’t figure why these reports are coming out.
Newell said he has heard from or talk about some of the Big Donars - all talking about and support Les Miles , said they haven’t heard anything that’s it’s not going to be Les Miles.
Can’t figure out WHY Long is doing this - -Newell said he may think it’s funny , to others it might be funny but upsetting to media - - - sounds kind of weird.
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“Dumpster Fire” ?
Really?
We have a loooooong ways to go (UPWARDS) if we desire to be at dumpster fire level.
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I suspect Miles will be in the candidate list for every opening so, while KU might be his preferred choice based on his relationship with Long, by no means will be his only choice.
I believe it is more important for KU to have more than one option otherwise it has no leverage in the negotiations.
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@jayballer73 - I suspect Long wants to keep this close to the vest, avoiding (or maybe encouraging?) speculation. He’s a pro and is having a good time. Personally, it’s better than total silence. Over on The Phog , there’s 150+ pages in a single topic on a new football coach. The vast majority of it came in about 5 hours yesterday. It’s hilarious and every poster was having a great time. One guy (appparently illegally) went onto airport grounds to take pictures of people emerging from the aircraft. (I don’t doubt alcohol was involved!
). I’m going to roll with it and enjoy the ride. We’ll know soon enough!
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Over on the LJW site , they had kind of like the NCAA basketball tournament listing the some possibly named people and brackets , they had people vote for like each round , It came down to the Championship round and it was between Les Miles and Dave Doreen , and the winner from the votes was Dave Doreen - – -Interesting. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Sold!!
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Charlie Weiss was successful (more or less) at ND and was a flop here. Not sold on the idea that someone can come here based on success elsewhere. Remember Les got run out of town 2 years ago. I remember it well. I lived there, heard all my friends rip their NC winning coach up and down. I said you won’t really appreciate what you had until he’s gone, then it’s too late. He did have some flaws. But I always liked him and would love to see him at KU.
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@wissox Charlie Weis flopped hard at Notre Dame once it was mostly his recruits. Weis was also looking to use KU as a springboard and pretty much said so from day 1.
Les Miles isn’t looking to move up to a bigger name program again. He’s someone that can likely give KU 8-10 years because bigger programs won’t be poaching him. He can be like what Frank Solich has been at Ohio. After that, Miles should have KU in a good enough place that the person after Miles can be a big name up and comer and be given a reasonable shot at instant success.
The biggest knocks on Miles is his offense which is a pro style system and his clock management which was extremely frustrating to watch over the years.
Miles does utilize a fullback and tight end which isn’t something you see in the Big 12 much. He also utilized the Pistol formation a lot towards the end. His biggest struggle is going to be finding a pro style QB to run his system because his offense was it’s most successful with JaMarcus Russell and Matt Flynn running the show. He’s always struggled to utilize mobile QB’s to their fullest so that would be a concern in the immediate.
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@wissox I’m not sure I’d call Weis’s tenure at ND successful. He won 19 games his first two seasons with some highly talented recruits that Willingham had brought in. ND went 7-5 the year Willingham was fired before losing the bowl game and looked like they were a year away before Weis was hired. I only know a few ND guys but they weren’t happy that Willingham wasn’t given more time with talent he brung in. Once those guys cleared out Weis went 16-21 in his final 3 seasons. He inherited a solid group and a good foundation, better than most head coaches go into IMO and ran into the ground. Why we hired a guy that couldn’t win with resources that ND has, is still mind boggling at best. Now one could say Miles was fired from LSU and he was. But he was fired for not beating Alabama every year, the man averaged over 10 wins a year in the toughest conference in the land. I personally just want a hire that has common sense behind it, Gill had 1 winning season at buffalo, Weis was a joke after a few seasons at ND and Beaty had no experience as a HC, only one as an OC that was a complete disaster albeit. That’s why I’m hoping we can do something to lure in one of the trio of Littrell, Miles and Doren.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@jayballer73 Sold!!
Lo – sorry bud I’m not even sure who that is. – Is that the guy from North Carolina State ? – Arizona State ? - -sorry I remember seeing his name , just can’t remember where he is from. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’ve posted before about Les , So no one think the thought of signing Les to like a five year Contract and renewable if he wants to go longer. - -Yet at least five years – -let Les retain Tony Hull , let Tony be an understudy for those 5 years, --teach him , then if Les retires after the 5 years after studying under Les for those 5 years promote Tony as the Head Coach. - What Tony has been in Division 1 foot ball for 2 years with Coaching duties- - -give the 5 under Les so there would be 7 years and let him take over - - -be able to maintain good recruiting ties to the boot? – -I think that could work.-- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@kjayhawks I don’t follow college football closely enough to comment obviously. I thought Weiss had done fairly well at ND. What about Mangino? Was that a hire that made sense? He had no HC experience as I recall. Obviously it worked out fabulously, but sometimes hires make perfect sense and they don’t work out and other times they make no sense and work out.
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@wissox Sorry @Texas-Hawk-10 post was thru when I did mine not to look like I was harping or beating a dead horse. Yes MM was a coordinator but a dam good one, that 1998 KSU team(IMO the best KSU football team ever) that choked in the B12 title game against A&M was with him as an OC, he also had a great eye for talent and convinced Floridian Micheal Bishop to come to Manhattan. He was also the OC on Bob Stoops 2000 NC team. We need a proven head coach in this situation IMO, we can’t take a big risk such as a Beaty. A OC could work forsure but MM had way better credentials than Beaty by light years. Beatys claim to fame was as a WR coach at A&M, which turned out to be a one hit wonder under Sumlin. MM made sense because he had been a part of 2 major rebuilding projects, one in Kansas even and KU wasn’t near as bad as they currently are. Its very sad that Terry Allen would be an improvement but it certainly appears that way right now (he averaged over 4 wins per year).
