The Next Coach
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@Wigs2 Ok, I said “on the horizon” and you seemed to discount that possibility. I think we all agree nothing willl be “sudden.”
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@HighEliteMajor Before I looked into all the history of the program, I was kinda hopeful that a new coach could come in and turn it around. But I didn’t realize that, in the last 60 years, every coach except Mangino had a losing record. His was only 50 wins and 48 losses over 8 years. I’m just not real confident that another new coach can make this a respectable program. I have been a fan since I was a kid in the 1950s, so I hope I’m wrong. Also I hope it doesn’t take so long that I won’t be around to see it.
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I think most of us are realists. But, 6-39 isn’t going to cut it. I’d gladly take a guy with a .450ish winning percentage and puts out a product that sees a bowl game every 2-3 seasons and just generally puts out a football team that at least has a chance to win most weekends. Make the KSU rivalry fun. Pull off an upset every so often.
Just don’t be a laughing stock at this point.
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The next coach is going to be Les Miles. The people that expect him to replicate his LSU success will be in for a disappointing tenure because that won’t happen. Miles replicating what he did at Oklahoma State is a realistic possibility. While OSU wasn’t in the same boat KU is in now, they weren’t a good program when he took over. An occasional 7 or 8 win season mixed in with a lot of 3 and 4 win seasons was the better part of OSU’s recent history prior to Les Miles.
Next year, the defense will take a step back because of what they’re going to lose along the front 7. The secondary will be the strength of the defense next year.
The offense won’t be exciting because Miles runs a pro style offense, but he will at least be able to get the ball to Pooka in open space via screens and read options with Stanley or Kendrick at QB next year.
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@Kcmatt7 completely agree. I think the majority of fans just want a team that is competitive on almost every Saturday. Beatys teams haven’t sniffed that. Sure there are going to be days that you run into a OU hitting on all cylinders and you get beat by 30 like KSU did last week. It shouldn’t happen week in and week out to teams that are not very good though.
I’d be happy if you told me our team would win somewhere between 4-8 games every year.
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https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1059215935796637698?s=21
Decent list here by Thamel.
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Well just got through listening to Longs talk. Kind of interesting he states that Age will not be a factor.
He stated that because of the Early Signing period and transfers where a pat of the reason for announcing now about the change.
He said just since the announcing of this today has had multiple inquiries from potential Coach’s. - – Hmm found it interesting WHY some media would even ask about being open to minorities . – Of Course he would - if he finds someone who would be interested and they meet the qualifications - -why wouldn’t he. - -As long as they can get this turned around - -I don’t give a rats ass whether he is White – Black - -Red – Blue - -Yellow = I’m not interested in his skin color - -I’m only interested in someone that can help dig us out of this hole.
He says the fans are a big part of the solution . got to get them back. - -
I think in a way he kind of countradicted himself - -He said he has no timeline BUT yet on the other hand he talked about the Early signing period and transfers - -makes me think he is wanting to get this done soon. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I thought along did a fine job. Took all the questions and answered them nicely. There could have been some better questions but that’s on the media.
@jayballer73 I just don’t think he want d to put a specific timeline on it. He didn’t want to say this will be done in 10 days, because if something happens and he doesn’t meet that timeline then people freak out. I feel pretty confident that he will have named a new coach by Dec 1 at the very latest.
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A couple thoughts.
-Long has a plan, and he’s sticking to it. He was never going to rush into anything, like firing Beaty after Nicholls. Agree or disagree with the plan, but he’s had one and now we can all see the wheels are in motion.
-He really wants fan support. He’s not blaming the fans like some like to bitch about, but you could see he was pissed at ISU having more fans than KU at Memorial yesterday. Could he have been more artful? Sure. But I kind of liked seeing some emotion. He’s just asking for fan support. What kind of CEO doesn’t ask for consumers to try their product or service? We’d all hate him for being apathetic and mailing it in if he didn’t mention getting fan support, and rightly so.
-He has a list of candidates in his head, and knows who’s serious and who isn’t. Guessing that those who are actually serious called up Long before today. Those who just called are probably in the camp of trying to get a raise from their current employers. Could’ve been a jab telling those guys to not even bother.
-Related to the process, I like that he’s taking charge and not hiring a stupid search firm that comes up with the same list that we could here, just for seven figures more. Keep it in house and make the decision. Also was clear there has to be a formal process. We can’t just call up Les and tell him he’s the guy tomorrow. KU is public so there are some EEOC type things we have to do first. Which is fine, that’s the nature of the beast, but I don’t expect the list within the list to be very long.
-On the timeline, it’ll be done quickly. By keeping it in house and calling it “all encompassing,” Long has staked out that he’s going to do this right and do it quickly so the new guy can start recruiting immediately to have a semblance of a class together by the early signing period. That tells me it’ll be done no later than December 1.
-At the end of the process, I still think it’s Miles. He checks all the boxes Long articulated both on Twitter and in his presser. Doesn’t seem like the type to outsmart himself.
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Rumor is that Long is asking donors for the money specifically for Miles.
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The last KU game is on Friday November 23, so I expect the announcement to come about one week later or at the end of November or very first part of December.
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Grunhard was on 810 this morning and said he talked to Doreen and he is not interested. Grunny said KU passed on him twice and that ship has sailed.
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@Woodrow Not surprising that he isn’t interested anymore. It’s really hard to believe that anyone would pick Weis or Beaty over him. Hopefully Long at least uses common sense unlike Zenger. Supposedly when KU hired Gill, Harbaugh and Tuberville were both highly interested in the job.
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Heard during the Duke-UK game last night that Miles is coming for a Visit to KU - -well actually this morning watching the replay that is what they has said
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@jayballer73 It’s going to be Les.
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BShark said:
@jayballer73 It’s going to be Les.
Ya I think so - -and actually I think it’s going to ve soon. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Read where the QB Coach might have an interest , he was the Arkansas offensive Cordinator 2015-17- -His name is Dan Enos. - -He ran pro style under Enos coached Brandon Allen ( 2016 threw for 3,000 yds Brandon led the Nation in QB efficiency threw for 3,440 yards and 30 TD’s in 2016. - -that’s great but we don’t have that Caliber of QB.
Was 4 Seasons at Michigan State as assistant Coach
Left Central Michigan wit a 26-36 record- -last loss to - - KU 24-10 and this is the Coach we would want? lol 3 6 win seasons - -went to 2 bowl appearances 1-1 I dunno - -think I would pas. ROCK CHALK ALLDAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
Read where the QB Coach might have an interest , he was the Arkansas offensive Cordinator 2015-17- -His name is Dan Enos. - -He ran pro style under Enos coached Brandon Allen ( 2016 threw for 3,000 yds Brandon led the Nation in QB efficiency threw for 3,440 yards and 30 TD’s in 2016. - -that’s great but we don’t have that Caliber of QB.
Was 4 Seasons at Michigan State as assistant Coach
Left Central Michigan wit a 26-36 record- -last loss to - - KU 24-10 and this is the Coach we would want? lol 3 6 win seasons - -went to 2 bowl appearances 1-1 I dunno - -think I would pas. ROCK CHALK ALLDAY LONG BABY
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@BShark Ya that’s what I thought to. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Oh and that is a real link for anyone wondering.
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Enos more likely is interested in being Les’s OC. Locksley, not Enos, calls plays at Bama. Enos is looking to get back after it. If the rumored names for assistants work out, it’s going to be a hell of a staff.
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@FarmerJayhawk Enos could be a solid guy to have on the staff, not sure he would be ready or able to tackle this job as a HC.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Enos more likely is interested in being Les’s OC. Locksley, not Enos, calls plays at Bama. Enos is looking to get back after it. If the rumored names for assistants work out, it’s going to be a hell of a staff.
Article says he is the QB Coach and associate head Coach for Saban - -so ya your right. – ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Some Smoke coming out about Justin Fuente… I doubt the trigger gets pulled but I’d love the hire.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Some Smoke coming out about Justin Fuente… I doubt the trigger gets pulled but I’d love the hire.
Where are you seeing this? That would be amazing. But there’s no way it’s happening since the search is done.
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I’m looking, but I can’t find it again. If I come across the link again I’ll shoot it to you. I doubt he gets fired regardless, but it would immediately have become my #1 choice.
I know Les is probably the guy, but I’m going to keep my ears and eyes open until there is some pen to paper.
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Al the rumors about Fuente are from a year ago when FSU and Tennessee( among other big programs) were allegedly interested. He was not interested then and does not seem to be interested now and, if he wants to leave, he would be at the top of every list and KU would have zero chance of getting him…short of making him the highest paid coach in college football.
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@JayHawkFanToo Not the one I saw today. I’m still looking, I’ll find it again at some point. But after a 4-4 start and a bad loss to a bad ODU team, fans aren’t happy. They aren’t happy with the offense and the defense has been truly terrible in some games.
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My inside sources tell me Pooka will be heading to Texas A&M next season regardless of whom is named coach.
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Wheels coming off…
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@JayHawkFanToo I wouldn’t say it’s in stone but my sources swears he heard straight outta his dads mouth. If Miles comes and he transfers, I’d call him a fool.
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Yeah Pooka’s dad keeps saying he’s an SEC back and real football blah blah. If he wants to leave an offense where he’ll be featured for the next 3 years that’s on him.
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Petrino fired at Louisville, does it mean competition for KU for Miles?
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@JayHawkFanToo Yes I think so
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@JayHawkFanToo Not really. They are going to hire Brohm from Purdue.
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Miles to KU isn’t going to change unless something drastic happens like Michigan firing Harbaugh and offering Miles (Neither will happen this year). Brohm to Louisville is a pretty solid bet as well.
That would leave Purdue and Maryland competing against each other which since they’re both B10 programs, will probably have a lot of overlap.
I don’t think this will be a very busy year for coaching changes among P5 conference programs. The only other jobs I could see opening up from a firing are North Carolina, Rutgers, and Ole Miss. Louisville is probably the only one, maybe North Carolina or Ole Miss too, that will hire an active P5 coach to fill their vacancy.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
Miles to KU isn’t going to change unless something drastic happens like Michigan firing Harbaugh and offering Miles (Neither will happen this year). Brohm to Louisville is a pretty solid bet as well.
That would leave Purdue and Maryland competing against each other which since they’re both B10 programs, will probably have a lot of overlap.
I don’t think this will be a very busy year for coaching changes among P5 conference programs. The only other jobs I could see opening up from a firing are North Carolina, Rutgers, and Ole Miss. Louisville is probably the only one, maybe North Carolina or Ole Miss too, that will hire an active P5 coach to fill their vacancy.
Michigan will never hire Les. Bridges were burned.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 If it hasn’t already happened I read where the USC coach is on the hot seat as well - - probably gone , if that’s the case that might be a challenge with Miles
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There’s always one or two surprise firings. I don’t have my ear to the ground on football as much as basketball, but with the leash as short as it is at the D1 level, and the P5 level in particular, it wouldn’t surprise me to see some jobs open up.
Remember, coaches can also be derailed by scandal. I wouldn’t have guessed the Maryland job would be open, but it is. Michigan State and Ohio State probably won’t be open, but there are scenarios that could open those jobs up.
Nobody expected that Baylor would fire Art Briles until the house was already burning down. Nobody thought K-State fans would ever be unhappy with Bill Snyder, but here we are.
I would guess that a P5 job that isn’t on anybody’s radar today will come open this offseason, and that job will throw a wrinkle into everyone’s hiring process.
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So heard on the radio a name and I honestly haven’t heard about him but who is this Graham - -I think they said 10 bowl games in his last 12 years - -sounds like there might be some baggage though. - Anyone? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Ahhh so found out. - - He was the Arizona State Coach - -has an overall record of like 94-51 - -10 bowl games in 12 years , also Coached at Tulsa – and Pitt. - -The Garbage supposedly is he left Tulsa in the middle of the night and text his assistants that they no longer had a job , has beaten some upper programs.
Being said mutual interest. - -Some saying would make sense with Long’s trip that went to Arizona and the Louisiana stop that didn’t happen. - -Sooo let’s hear cause I don’t know - -is he a guy we would want? -Several said he would be a great hire. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Todd Graham, former coach at Arizona State. Beaty was one of his assistant coaches at Rice. Here is a link with more information. At this time Long needs to have some options otherwise Miles has all the leverage; could be a decent option.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooo
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If the next head coach isn’t Les Miles, Dave Doren or Seth Littrell I’ll be skeptical.
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I don’t want DD but otherwise agree.
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@BShark Doeren would be a great hire if KU could get him this time, but Zenger may have burnt that bridge beyond repair. He’s done a nice rebuild at NC State.
Personally, I think I would like Doeren to be the coach after Miles. Let Miles come here for however long and build the foundation and make KU an attractive place and then bring Doeren in after Miles to continue trying to elevate the program.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Doeren would be a great hire if KU could get him this time, but Zenger may have burnt that bridge beyond repair. He’s done a nice rebuild at NC State.
Personally, I think I would like Doeren to be the coach after Miles. Let Miles come here for however long and build the foundation and make KU an attractive place and then bring Doeren in after Miles to continue trying to elevate the program.
This is a really solid idea but like you said DD may be done with KU due to Zenger.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Todd Graham, former coach at Arizona State. Beaty was one of his assistant coaches at Rice. Here is a link with more information. At this time Long needs to have some options otherwise Miles has all the leverage; could be a decent option.
Todd Graham is not a decent option. Graham may have won games, but two of his head coaching jobs only lasted for a year before he bolted, including his “dream job” at Pitt. He would treat KU as a stepping stone and nothing else. KU can do better than Graham.
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I can’t figure out why it’s taking so long to name the next coach? Why fire a coach still in season if you don’t have another coach on the line. Rumors floating the reason Miles hasn’t been named yet is because of his last contract. I guess he gets a big pay day at the end of the month. Yet man KU needs to get on that recruiting trail.
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I saw where Les gets his buyout payments from LSU on the 30th of every month. Could he be wanting to milk one more payment out of them before signing with KU?
