2019 Recruiting
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A list of Oklahoma, Michigan State, Oregon, Texas and Purdue screams I want to be the top dog for lesser program rather than ride the pine for an elite program.
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@JayHawkFanToo Michigan State is a contender as long as Izzo is there. The others, I agree
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In the last 3 years Michigan in the NCAAā¦first round, second round, second round.
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@JayHawkFanToo true. Weāve stretches like that too though. Theyāve just been one Josh Jackson away from getting over the top
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Nike influence there. Oregon and Purdue have done a good job on him but Izzo may have turned the tide here. KU never really pressed for him so this was expected, at least heās not window dressing KU on his list
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well we have discussed this some but yet I still am wondering with this Robinson-Earle right now. - - Reading the NC site , their fans sure seem more and more confident - they feel Robinson Earle is committing to UNC. They bring up points like:
Now with Bacot committing and him and Earle both playing this year for IMG ? right that for sure helps , they say with Lester playing for Roy and being good friends that helps , they say with the chances of Green committing to UNC and is he playing for IMG also? that helps.
They make mention ( now I donāt put a lot into this particular BUT) just like every other fan base - like we had/have with Bshark they have a so called person that is usually spot on and he had told them that UNC is widening their lead with Earle and KU is becoming a distant 2ndā¦ - The another point they try to bring up and I donāt think this has any bearing on this what so ever makes no sense and if I were a member I would say as much - they feel with this FBI issue an KU itās biting us in the ass. - -My point on this is - - the FBI issue will in no way more likely then not would have any effect on Earleās standing. WHY? - mainly cause this FBI thing could go on for 2-3 more years - they havenāt even turned anything over to the NCAA yet have they? - this could drag on forever, donāt really think it will have any effect on 2019 recruits.
Then Bshark doesnāt feel as confident with us landing Earle at least thatās kind of the impression I get - -noting that UNC really making a push and letās be honest they are for sure doing that. - all these things is just another reason when I see this late sure for the new kid - -makes me think that YES - -YES we quite possibly are losing ground on Earle - that being the reason for the new kid on the block. I mean IF for some reason Earle does commit to UNC , we would be ok IF we can still land Hurt and the new kid But DAM I want Earle hate to him slip away - let me hear you. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Hurt is still the most coveted recruit at the position JRE plays. Heās better then JRE and a more versatile scorer.
JRE going to IMG wasnāt good for KU, it was good for JRE as a player but it definitely opened the door for UNC with Green/Bacot in his ear. KU will get their shot, hopefully the last visit. I canāt see Self losing this one but who knows what JRE wants for himself. The move to IMG certainly foreshadows heās okay leaving home.
I still donāt believe offering Nnaji was in any way connected to JRE. JREās recruitment is months away from being finished. Normally this would matter if a kid was close to deciding. Lots of kids across the country got offered in the past weeks since the dead period went into effect. Staffs had time to meet and put together evaluations and decide on what they wanted to do.
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Until I hear differently from people in the know, I fully expect JRE at Kansas. People tend to ignore his momās family, the Robinsonās. Theyāre as big of KU people as youāll find anywhere on the planet.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Hurt is still the most coveted recruit at the position JRE plays. Heās better then JRE and a more versatile scorer.
JRE going to IMG wasnāt good for KU, it was good for JRE as a player but it definitely opened the door for UNC with Green/Bacot in his ear. KU will get their shot, hopefully the last visit. I canāt see Self losing this one but who knows what JRE wants for himself. The move to IMG certainly foreshadows heās okay leaving home.
I still donāt believe offering Nnaji was in any way connected to JRE. JREās recruitment is months away from being finished. Normally this would matter if a kid was close to deciding. Lots of kids across the country got offered in the past weeks since the dead period went into effect. Staffs had time to meet and put together evaluations and decide on what they wanted to do.
I hope your right. -you are right for sure about not being good for KU with him going to IMG - gonna have Bacot AND Green on him every day. - Agree again I think Hurt is much more valuble - and I think we sit in a much better spot with him then with Earle, if you were to of ask me that a couple of months ago - - maybe not so much.
I just feel that we may be losing ground with Earle. - I also still have to think , hope Iām wrong but this is where we differ maybe some I DO feel that Nnajiās late recruitment does possibly have something to do - we went so long and nothing on this kid , and then all a sudden BAM. -we might have been looking at him but hadnāt offered , then with UNC entering the picture as strongly as they are all of a sudden we DO offer. true could be an insurance backup Iāve got this feel he has become that insurance backup because staff feels either we might be losing out on Earle OR Hurt. - -Could be wrong - -probably wrong but Iāll feel a lot better when he commits. - Hurt is much better , but really want Earle if for nothing more then rebounding purposes - very strong. - - one of UNCāS thought process is now with them landing Bacot that Roy can promise Earle that he wonāt be forced into playing the five - - we will find out fairly soon as he wants to commit in the fall. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Until I hear differently from people in the know, I fully expect JRE at Kansas. People tend to ignore his momās family, the Robinsonās. Theyāre as big of KU people as youāll find anywhere on the planet.
I hear ya, and I understand for sure. - just that UNC feels the same way about hearing from people who they believe is in the know. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Hurt is still the most coveted recruit at the position JRE plays. Heās better then JRE and a more versatile scorer.
JRE going to IMG wasnāt good for KU, it was good for JRE as a player but it definitely opened the door for UNC with Green/Bacot in his ear. KU will get their shot, hopefully the last visit. I canāt see Self losing this one but who knows what JRE wants for himself. The move to IMG certainly foreshadows heās okay leaving home.
I still donāt believe offering Nnaji was in any way connected to JRE. JREās recruitment is months away from being finished. Normally this would matter if a kid was close to deciding. Lots of kids across the country got offered in the past weeks since the dead period went into effect. Staffs had time to meet and put together evaluations and decide on what they wanted to do.
I hope your right. -you are right for sure about not being good for KU with him going to IMG - gonna have Bacot AND Green on him every day. - Agree again I think Hurt is much more valuble - and I think we sit in a much better spot with him then with Earle, if you were to of ask me that a couple of months ago - - maybe not so much.
I just feel that we may be losing ground with Earle. - I also still have to think , hope Iām wrong but this is where we differ maybe some I DO feel that Nnajiās late recruitment does possibly have something to do - we went so long and nothing on this kid , and then all a sudden BAM. -we might have been looking at him but hadnāt offered , then with UNC entering the picture as strongly as they are all of a sudden we DO offer. true could be an insurance backup Iāve got this feel he has become that insurance backup because staff feels either we might be losing out on Earle OR Hurt. - -Could be wrong - -probably wrong but Iāll feel a lot better when he commits. - Hurt is much better , but really want Earle if for nothing more then rebounding purposes - very strong. - - one of UNCāS thought process is now with them landing Bacot that Roy can promise Earle that he wonāt be forced into playing the five - - we will find out fairly soon as he wants to commit in the fall. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Weāll see if Green ends up at UNC as the recent buzz suggests. JRE and him are close so thatās what we have to watch for in terms of the IMG thing. Bacot is meaningless in this situation I think but Iām sure people will try and make that one a bigger issue then it is.
I donāt think KU has lost any ground at all. It looks that way because he hasnāt committed and thereās actually another blue-blood program with a connection trying to get him. For almost 3 years now its been widely speculated he was untouchable from KU. The fact heās open to hearing other programs makes the narrative change.
Self got to coach him this summer which is still the biggest advantage any other coach has in this. If JRE wasnāt sold on Self then, its not meant to be. What else can a coach do at that point?
I would have loved for this recruitment to be over this already but how often do things go according to what fans think/want. It seems every KU recruit drags it out and we spend months, sometimes years waiting for anything to actually happen.
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@jayballer73 most people around UNC think KU is the definite leader and will be an upset to land him.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 most people around UNC think KU is the definite leader and will be an upset to land him.
well believe me Iām right there with you. Not trying to be Negative Nellie - just worried ā just a Smidge, in all reality I still feel like you that he will land here - of 247 yes I know only 9 predictions so far - -BUT all 9 have been for KU and thatās with UNC getting in and pushing for him - -at the present hasnāt been enough for any of these so called experts that has made a prediction for UNC. - -Doesnāt mean they wonāt With him being so close to KU up until recently got plenty of saturation of KU - not sure how many games he saw in person - -my guess is ALOT. Then Coach Self having him this summer sure the hell doesnāt hurt. - Speaking of Hurt the opportunity Coach had this summer for JRE to see that him and Hurt could both play and play together -he ran them a lot together. I know Iām over reacting - thatās just typical me. - would be a really huge lift if he came in for late night again wrap it up - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Tre Mann will host KU for an in-house visit and then visit KU on Sept 21st.
It was looking like KU backed away on his recruitment after he was all set to pick Tennessee from his ātop 3ā. Sifting through Florida and UNC sites you find out he has a handler thatās steering his recruitment and it was seeming Mann was set to commit to UNC in the coming months after they offered and he re-opened his recruitment. I guess it doesnāt hurt to get him on campus and see if anything changes. He definitely fits the profile of player that we need in next years class
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Kai Jones still working through his recruitment. He did have this to say in regards to KUās interest or his interestā¦
The Jayahwksā staff watched Jones on the Under Armour circuit for a particularly impressive game. KU offered, and since that time, Jones has been in close contact with Norm Roberts, while his father has connected with KU coach Bill Self.
Asked if heād consider taking a visit to KU ā Jones has taken one visit so far, which was to Dayton ā the No. 100-ranked player in the class of 2019 (No. 23-ranked power forward) wasnāt ready to commit one way or another.
āThatās something Iām still talking about with my family," Jones said. "Still discussing it, as we are with a lot of schools.ā
Heās taken one visit to Dayton. Georiga Tech & TCU have all recently got into contact. Stanford & Texas have CB picks for him currently. Doesnāt seem to be in a rush or have any favorites currently.
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@BeddieKU23 ya guess it doesnāt hurt. - we will be no worse off now then we were if we donāt try. - Yet from everything Iāve seen recently sure looks likeitās pretty much a done deal with UNC but who knows what these kIds are thinking. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I donāt think Mann has a say in his recruitment it sounds. If UNC wants that baggage thatās fine. More often then not those types end up having some kind of issue. If he comes here, Iāll welcome him and hope he is as good as advertised. His shooting ability is something that we could really use
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@BeddieKU23 - will you site this reference regarding Mannās recruitment? Thanks!
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BeddieKU23 said:
I donāt think Mann has a say in his recruitment it sounds. If UNC wants that baggage thatās fine. More often then not those types end up having some kind of issue. If he comes here, Iāll welcome him and hope he is as good as advertised. His shooting ability is something that we could really use
Iām not sure that he would be like a must get anyways. - I mean I just donāt think Dotson & Moore are going any wear in 19 - -so theyāll both be back. Dotson is quick as quick can be ----but he isnāt a one and done by any means I think he is more like a 2-3 yr player - Moore will be a 4 year player - I just donāt see the need. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Gorilla72 said:
@BeddieKU23 - will you site this reference regarding Mannās recruitment? Thanks!
Iāll find.
KU gets the last visit for Mann.
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A guy on the Florida board who seems to be pretty well connected said that Mann will commit to UNC on or shortly after his OV. The only way he wonāt end up at UNC is if Mannās mentor gets in the way here.
This off UNCās board. Iāll track down Floridaās comments. The Florida guy is well connected in AAU.
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Do you have info to support that, or just a hunch? Not coming at you, Iām actually curious to see if youāve heard something.
ETA- Sorry Bulls, Iām unfamiliar with your sources since we havenāt really crossed path on these boards. It looks like the Florida posters have vouched for your sources. Glad to hear this as a UNC fan
Live in Gainesville, pretty close to this recruitment, would be very surprising if UNC isnāt the pick, and soon. Only thing that prevents that is if his handler moves in another direction.
Listen, I know all the players in this recruitment, I also know his āhandlerā is telling people Tre may take some repeat visits. I am also aware of Rob Lanierās connection to Tre. All that said, he decided against committing in late July because he wants to go to a blue blood bball school and wanted those offers. Again unless his āhandlerā tells him he canāt go to UNC, heāll be a Tar Heel.
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jayballer73 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I donāt think Mann has a say in his recruitment it sounds. If UNC wants that baggage thatās fine. More often then not those types end up having some kind of issue. If he comes here, Iāll welcome him and hope he is as good as advertised. His shooting ability is something that we could really use
Iām not sure that he would be like a must get anyways. - I mean I just donāt think Dotson & Moore are going any wear in 19 - -so theyāll both be back. Dotson is quick as quick can be ----but he isnāt a one and done by any means I think he is more like a 2-3 yr player - Moore will be a 4 year player - I just donāt see the need. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
We are going to need shooting. Grimes, Vick gone. Williamson is more a wing at this stage if we land him. Mann is a combo guard that is deadly off the dribble and one of the best shooters in the entire class. I have to think Mann fits a clear need. We have not seen Moore or Dotson prove their shooting just yet.
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247 had an update to Rankings.
Commit:
Jacobs barely holds his 4 star status at #137
Top Targets
After a strong summer Hurt drops to #8.
JRE #18
Cole Anthony #2
Williamson #55
Targets:
Wiseman #1 (no chance)
Achiuwa #5
Josh Green #15
Tre Mann #23
Stanley #26
Zeke Nnaji #31
Cockburn #37
Kai Jones #53
Dj Jeffries #68
Lawson #89
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Thinking about this more now, I wonder if KJ stays to finish up his eligibility. I doubt it, as he should have his degree. I think the plan is probably both KJ and Dedric will be gone.
Doke is likely gone.
I assume SDS is gone too. Either he is eligible and Scouts love his athleticism or he is ineligible and he is forced to leave. Either way, donāt think he is back.
Finally, I expect Grimes to leave.
That puts the 2019-2020 Depth Chart like this:
- PG: Dotson, Moore, Jacobs
- SG: Garrett
- SF: Agbaji
- PF: Lightfoot
- C: Big Dave
At this point, Iād say we have 6 scholarships to dish out.
My predictions on who we land:
- PG: None.
- SG/SF: Achiuwa and a transfer
- PF: Hurt and JRE
- C: Cockburn
We need another post added to this class, but I just find it unlikely that it is anyone we have heard of so far.
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Not an exciting group if thatās whatās left after this year.
I think Dotson will get a combine invite. I hope we get at least two years from him.
We will need shooting. I see Williamson as a realistic target. Things have been quiet lately though on his front and Louisville has made a push under the new regime. They expect to host him on an official.
Hurt is a canāt miss prospect in this class. Shooting next, then another big to go along with Hurt.
Not a lot of clarity on this class right now
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@BeddieKU23 Yea next seasonās group looks like they may really struggle. Iād like to land Williamson, but if we land someone who might play in front of him I donāt think he comes. He will want a starting spot I think. And I donāt know that we can promise that right this second.
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Iām not really worried about Williamson nearly as much as Robinson Earle-I think Williamson we are sitting pretty sweet. - Next year could be a challenge for Coach BUT he has come through just fine before. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Some KU related news on former players.
As we know, Newman started with a two-way contract with the Lakers and then he was cut. He has now signed a two-way contract with the Miami Heath; maybe a bit of Chalmersā good will remaining? Hopefully he develops like Mario did.
Arthur was traded from Denver to the Nets. hopefully he gets more playing time than he did with Denver although his salary there was insanely high in relation to playing time.
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Thatās good for Arthur though. Getting traded from a rising team to a terrible team isnāt
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Williamson is a program player. Appropriately ranked I think. Right now heās probably the best bet we have with a wing.
Achiuwa is a wildcard, Norm has been consistent with him but it certainly feels like he wonāt leave the East.
Green & Stanley are real longshots. Staff has been in contact with Jeffries but who seriously doesnāt think heās going to Memphis.
Williamson could really be the highest ranked wing KU has a chance with.
This isnāt shaping up as a cycle we get to pick and choose from. A lot rides on Hurt and JRE here
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A class of Williamson, Hurt and JRE would be ideal, 2 out of 3 good to very good, 1 out of 3 average to good. If KU loses all 3 it would be very worrisome.
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@BeddieKU23 I think so too. But I feel like more and more you see #50 guys going somewhere they can get PT immediately. Heād be coming in and facing quite a bit of competition for minutes here I think.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I think so too. But I feel like more and more you see #50 guys going somewhere they can get PT immediately. Heād be coming in and facing quite a bit of competition for minutes here I think.
That is true, you do see a lot of players ranked in that area going places they know they can start/contribute without much resistance.
Weāll see what happens. We donāt know what position Garrett will settle on just yet, I think that depends on how much he improves his shooting. Agbaji seems like a redshirt candidate so we are a year away from finding out anything significant with him. I think Self can sell playing time to a player like Williamson because he does have a strong midrange/perimeter game already with great size. There is a ton of scoring and talent leaving the program after this year. The sell should be pretty easy
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@BeddieKU23 Iām really anxious to see Agbaji play.
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Samuel Williamson just set his OV for next weekend. Hopefully he pops on the visit.
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Certainly sounds like that could happen
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Woodrow said:
Samuel Williamson just set his OV for next weekend. Hopefully he pops on the visit.
Oh that would be nice wouldnāt it - -get it officially started for the upcoming year. - -I think he just might surprise some people - would be a nice way to get things started
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BeddieKU23 said:
Certainly sounds like that could happen
Letās hope so would be a nice start
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BeddieKU23 said:
Certainly sounds like that could happen
It sure would be nice and it might start the domino effect with the othre targets and for a change we would not have to sweat until the last minute for Coach Self to pull a rabbit from the hat.
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Ok guys , got a question. - Would I just be totally way out over the left field fence - just totally insane in possibly trying to compare Williamson a little to Wayne Selden? - -Is that just totally nuts? - -if it is itās ok tell me O can take it - -but just a spur of the moment thing. - I mean they are both right about the same height arenāt they? - -Wasnāt Wayne like 6ā6? - -both hit the mid range jumper - -Wayne used to every now and then maybe not very often but once and awhile back his defender down and then hit the J. - -Just curious I would be happy with that , like I said it was just a spur type thing looking for some kind of comparison and that was my 1st thought - - hey Iām 64 getting old senile lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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From what Iāve seen there is no comparing the two. Wayne was a beast in high school and used his physical and athletic ability to overpower kids. He was also a top 10 player in his class.
Williamson plays the game completely different. Heās a shooter, good in the mid-range. I think he reminds of Svi more then anyone at this stage. Good size (height) , will need to gain muscle to maximize his frame. Good athlete with some bounce, you see he can easily sky up for a lob or transition dunk. The word about him is heāll need some time, time to develop some toughness and dog to his game. Great 3-4 year player to get and appropriately ranked. Fills a huge need for a scoring wing
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@Kcmatt7 Much more likely to get Chandler Lawson than Achiuwa. Also Sam Williamson is all but a Hawk at this point. I also think Zeke Nnaji is much more likely than Cockburn, but Iām not thinking either ends up at KU if things go according to plan.
@jayballer73 @BeddieKU23 The staff really likes Issac McBride. Heās already been on a stealth unofficial visit and will be back for an official.
My early guess at next yearās rosterā¦
G: Dotson, Moore, McBride, Jacobs or a home run type signing ie Anthony or Hampton
G/W: Garrett, Agbaji, Williamson
W/F: KJ, Chandler
F/C: McCormack, Mitch, Hurt, JRE
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Welcome back.
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Welcome Back.
I canāt see us taking McBride & Jacobs both, can you?.We could have 4 guys under the height of 6ā2 battling for one position. Doesnāt sound ideal? McBride would seem to indicate Dotson could be OAD? Concur?
I guess we could roll with two small guards again like the Frank/Devonte days. Just canāt say thatās ideal
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@BShark Welcome, my friend.
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BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 Much more likely to get Chandler Lawson than Achiuwa. Also Sam Williamson is all but a Hawk at this point. I also think Zeke Nnaji is much more likely than Cockburn, but Iām not thinking either ends up at KU if things go according to plan.
@jayballer73 @BeddieKU23 The staff really likes Issac McBride. Heās already been on a stealth unofficial visit and will be back for an official.
My early guess at next yearās rosterā¦
G: Dotson, Moore, McBride, Jacobs or a home run type signing ie Anthony or Hampton
G/W: Garrett, Agbaji, Williamson
W/F: KJ, Chandler
F/C: McCormack, Mitch, Hurt, JRE
Dam BShark great to see you back and of course you giving me my fix on the recruiting - so greatly appreciated . So I had read that Cockburn was going to visit this month, - -what happened to that did he visit or what? - I donāt think we are getting Achiuwa - I just canāt see him leaving the Coast could be wrong. You really think Chandler still comes here after Penny being hired at Memphis ? - Before I thought it was pretty much a given - now with Penny not so sure but I mean I would like to have him but if we land Hurt and Earle for sure no deal breaker. - - Honestly? - -I would much rather have his younger brother think he is the best in the group hopefully we can get him here.
Had to laugh at a poster of the LJW was talking about Williamson saying he was barely top 75 and JRE and Hurt was much more priority. - I will say true they for sure are a higher priority I would think BUT I still want Williamson he would be a sweet pick up - The only thing is if WE really want to land these guys why in THE HELL are we having them come in on the weekend of a football game lmao. Seems like that happens a lot. Arenāt you suppose to bring in a kid and show him the attractiveness of the campus and school? - Umm our football isnāt very attractive right now with an empty stadium on game day. - Yet I told this guy of the LJW I said man if your going to try and state facts at least get them right I said Williamson is a far cry from just barely top 75. - - Rivals # 35 - - - 247 sports # 41 ā & ESPN- - # 44 thatās a little higher then barely top 75. - -Great to have you back buddy and as always ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BeddieKU23 said:
Welcome Back.
I canāt see us taking McBride & Jacobs both, can you?.We could have 4 guys under the height of 6ā2 battling for one position. Doesnāt sound ideal? McBride would seem to indicate Dotson could be OAD? Concur?
I guess we could roll with two small guards again like the Frank/Devonte days. Just canāt say thatās ideal
Iām just wondering if Jacobs actually ends up coming. - his continues drop in rankings he hasnāt signed anything just a verbal pledge right? Wonder if KU is still making contact? - At this point I almost feel Iād rather have McBride - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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It might not be as bad a move to bring them on a football weekend as you think. It sends a message that screams at KU basketball is king, period. When players visit schools like Bama, Georgia, Auburn, Texasā¦they quickly get the message that football rulesā¦which school would be more attractive to a basketball prospect?
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BeddieKU23 said:
Welcome Back.
I canāt see us taking McBride & Jacobs both, can you?.We could have 4 guys under the height of 6ā2 battling for one position. Doesnāt sound ideal? McBride would seem to indicate Dotson could be OAD? Concur?
I guess we could roll with two small guards again like the Frank/Devonte days. Just canāt say thatās ideal
I think the staff will try to get Anthony or Hampton and ultimately miss. So itās definitely not the ideal situation.
If McBride commits to KU before Anthony and Hampton announce, it would signal to me that KU and Jacobs are likely parting ways.
If the roster scenario I laid out does happen then imo
Starting line-up
Dotson
Garrett
KJ
Hurt
JRE
Strong bench contributors: McCormack, Moore, Williamson
Comfortable leads and teaching a lesson minutes: Mitch, Chandler
Development cycle: Agbaji, Jacobs, McBride.
The shooting in the starting line-up would be a bit rough w/o further development, so we will see.
