Doke Out First Weekend?
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Rankings do not determine the outcomes, is really what I think they are saying. As we well know, unfortunately.
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@JayHawkFanToo I believe the ranking system he was using is his
test. Nothing wrong with that. I donāt personally agree, although I donāt think there is much of a chasm between them.
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KUSTEVE said:
SHU are quick, they run the whole court, Delgado is a beast inside, and their guards can shoot the 3. They are going to be tough to beat, but we can beat them.
And so can NC St
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I expected he would be limited for Thursday. If the game is well in hand at some point I think you give him a run for a few possessions and see how he does. And then hope the extra day he can get some practice in and be a rotation big on Saturday. KU is capable of beating Penn & either Seton Hall/NC St without him but the possibility that he can be a sub in the post on Saturday not only gives the team a 3rd big to play with but makes whoever we potentially play have to game-plan for him.
Further diving into this whole thing Iām cautious that weāll see the same high level of play that we got from the Milvio duo (Mitch/Silvio). This is their first NCAA tourney they get to play in, nerves, pressure hits and you just donāt know what your going to get. When the Doke injury happened they were right smack in the middle of Big-12 tourney prep. The message was sent clear, Doke wasnāt playing, Mitch and seldom used Silvio needed to step up big. That was a challenge for them that they accepted and exceeded expectation. Is the challenge the same without the injury fresh in their minds? Between the highās of the Big-12 tourney win, Selection Sunday, etc can we expect the same focus that they displayed with Dokeās injury? The whole team rallied by it, will we get the same intensity from the tip?
Self has talked this week about pressure getting to some of his past teams. I think the pressure is squarely on KU in the first round. I hope the guys come out ready to play.
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Here is a site with odds of each seed level advancing to each next round based on historical tourney performance.
https://www.betfirm.com/seeds-national-championship-odds/
A statistical anomoly is that a 5 seed has never won the NC so they are listed at 0% while 6, 7 and 8 all have 3% (total %age of all the seeds at those lines).
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I am concerned about SH if Doke canāt play or is not nearly at full speed. Delgado will be tough for Mitch and Silvio to handle.
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@Hawk8086 Soā¦Go Wolfpack?
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@Hawk8086 Agreed. However, NC St has a 7ā3" center.
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Hawk8086 said:
I am concerned about SH if Doke canāt play or is not nearly at full speed. Delgado will be tough for Mitch and Silvio to handle.
Mawien, Konate, had great games against the Milvio duo and it didnāt affect the final score.
Delgado is a solid big, nothing more really if you have seen him play. Just a 50% shooter from the field, poor FT shooter, hasnāt blocked a shot in 10 games at 6ā10. Heās only scored over 20 points twice all season long both against Butler.
He is an underrated passer, IMO the best on their team so double teaming him isnāt a great option unless you trap him quickly. Heās the same build as De Sousa with maybe an inch advantage. He will turn the ball over like a PG because they run a lot of their offense through him. Kind of like Oklahoma St does with Solomon.
If we get matched up with Seton Hall its all about limiting the perimeter. Much like KU they rely heavily on 3 guards- Rodriguez is more of a brick house wing who would be a very tough matchup for Vick or Svi. Powell is their best shooter by far whoās made 89 3ās on the season. Carrington is kind of like Newman in our offense but is a better facilitator. I think KU matches up very well besides Rodriguez with SH overall
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@BShark West Virginia beat the #1 overall seed by 7. I believe they will make some noise in the tournament. I wouldnāt be shocked if they beat Villanova.
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I wonāt be surprised if Murray State gives them a game. Donāt have them getting past the Shocks.
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@Hawk8086 Of course Mitch and De Sousa will have a hard time handling Delgado. However, they did a fairly decent job against Konate!
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@BeddieKU23 Iād definitely like to see Doke play some tomorrow. From what I can tell by reading, with the caveat that I am not a doctor, is that this will continue to hurt Doke for awhile. Itās much different than an injury that will heal up quickly if he stays off it. So he has to figure out how to play through the pain or just not play. Playing will not make it worse.
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@BShark Really? The āshocksā couldnt handle Houston in the conference championship game. Also, the āshocksā couldnāt handle OU at home!
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@BeddieKU23 Ok, youāve made me feel better about the SH big guy.
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@Jayhawk-in-OKC You have made me feel better too. Now Iām worried about their guards.
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@Hawk8086 If Malik plays the way he did during the Big 12 tournament, i would take our 4 guards over any team int he tournament!
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Hawk8086 said:
@BeddieKU23 Ok, youāve made me feel better about the SH big guy.
No problem. Delgado is good but not Ayton, Bagley game-changing good.
The real problems would be the possible Elite 8 games against Jaren Jackson (can shoot the 3, elite shot-blocking- over 100 blocks) and Dukeās Bagley/Carter duo.
Itās a blessing possibily that Silvio gets a few more games to contribute because Silvio is the perfect big to have when facing those type of guys.
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@BeddieKU23 Otoh we saw Mawein go 13-19. Delgado is better than Mawein.
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Doke practiced some today. 4 possessions worth Self said. Game time decision
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Otoh we saw Mawein go 13-19. Delgado is better than Mawein.
Mawein has some offensive skill. I wouldnāt call Delgado a very skilled big down low, heās never been. Heās a good college post player that knows what heās doing and rebounds at a high level. Seen a ton of him over the year.
My point is Delgado isnāt going to beat us.
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@BeddieKU23 Letās hope we donāt need him!!!
I am a glass half full kind of guy and I think De Sousa will be up to the challenge of his first NCAA Tournament game and that he will be able to handle the 16 seed big men just fine.
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Think fans are excited for KU in Wichita. Place over half full for a PRACTICE
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joeloveshawks said:
@BeddieKU23 Letās hope we donāt need him!!!
I am a glass half full kind of guy and I think De Sousa will be up to the challenge of his first NCAA Tournament game and that he will be able to handle the 16 seed big men just fine.
If he plays like he did in the Big-12 tourney we will have no worries. However you just never know how a big with little experience will handle the pressure of the tourneyā¦ Hopefully as well as he handled the pressure last week
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Lots of posters are taking for granted Seton Hall will beat NC State, I am not sure it will happen.
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@JayHawkFanToo Hot take.
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@Kcmatt7 lol so true
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Lots of posters are taking for granted Seton Hall will beat NC State, I am not sure it will happen.
Yes. Considering NC St has proven they can beat better teams I would say they would be the slight favorite to win today.
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@BeddieKU23 SHU is -2.5
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@BShark You have the Shlockers ranked ahead of Villanova, donāt you?
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@KUSTEVE I have them losing to Villanova.
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Jayhawk-in-OKC said:
@Hawk8086 If Malik plays the way he did during the Big 12 tournament, i would take our 4 guards over any team int he tournament!
Can we please have Big 12 tourney Malik and early season Vick.
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@BigBad I think youāll get the former, not the latter.
