NCAA Corruption Investigation - Kansas Identified?
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@Gorilla72 not a wiretap
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@Buster-1926 The NCAA isn’t the FBI. They don’t have to follow innocent until proven guilty in this case. They can nail Sean Miller to the wall tomorrow if they really wanted to in this case.
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I kind of feel for Miller. The only way he could pry recruits away from the blue bloods was to literally pay them 6 figures. We all knew DeAndre was coming here until Arizona came in and swooped him. Pretty sure he hadn’t even taken a visit to their campus at that point? Still the fact Miller would do that is a very interesting look into the darker side of recruiting. If Kansas isn’t involved in pay for play, which I believe Self is way too smart to ever directly involve the university or himself in such a thing, what are we involved in? And if we do come out of this thing unscathed then that’s another thing we’ve been absolutely spoiled with about Self. He won at the highest level and he did it the right way.
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I bet Self knew about Miller, you think?
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Trier just got suspended. I don’t think Ayton ever plays another minute of college basketball, and i’ll bet Stubby gets the axe sometime today. Talk about a team blowing up…wow!
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So we now know why DeAndre all of a sudden committed to Arizona. - - I couldn’t figure that out for the life of me when he announced he was going to Arizona. - -All through his recruitment all I had been hearing looked like KU was a lock and then announcement day - -BAM Arizona - I myself hadn’t really heard Anything on Arizona until then.
I could see this whole scenario playing out ol sweaty stumpy saying geez DeAndre - -tell ya what - if you commit to us - -I’ll - - - I’ll - - I’ll - I’ll pay ya 100,000 will you just please come to Arizona - fans are on my ass - -100,000 DeAndre please. - DeAndre says hold up Coach.- calls Bill says Coach I have an offer of 100,000 what ya got for me? - -Bill says I have a Schlorship DeAndre that’s what I have. - -DeAndre says – - DAMM Coach - calls Stumpy back and says ok I’ll come - but dam can we get you todo something about your sweating so dam much lol?
This whole thing is just starting to break - I think it’s really gonna get ugly before it’s all said and done. - - NCAA is screwed - how they gonna enforce all of this on all these programs - -lots of blue bloods plus others - if they play this out and try to penalize everyone that’s possible guilty of something - -there won’t be any teams to play NCAA tourney.
Miller is screwed - Big time - -I did read that he could still walk away even if Arizona fires him for cause he can still walk away from there with 10.3 million from the remaining on his contract - the article says most would walk away with zero. - It did say he would have to pay the school back like 300,000 dollars but compared to 10 million? -I think actually he needs to be put on administrative suspension until they find out for sure on him - -kind of like Patino - -Ayton should be made to sit for sure immediately - Trier is out - Arizona is in one big pile of dog doo. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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KUSTEVE said:
Trier just got suspended. I don’t think Ayton ever plays another minute of college basketball, and i’ll bet Stubby gets the axe sometime today. Talk about a team blowing up…wow!
I’m with you 100% buddy. - -I think Ayton should be forced to sit immediately - -and if Arizona Admin has any intelligence at all one tiny bit - then they suspend Miller now put on administrative suspension at least till this gets cleared up - -Miller is screwed. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Here’s another brain tickler that has me very puzzled…if they knew that Sweaty stubby had offered a huge bribe…A) why did they wait so long to drop the hammer…and B ) how is Ayton been able to play practically the whole season???
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 Here’s another brain tickler that has me very puzzled…if they knew that Sweaty stubby had offered a huge bribe…A) why did they wait so long to drop the hammer…and B ) how is Ayton been able to play practically the whole season???
I hear ya - -very good question - - things about to get really crazy. - -I mean JUMPIN – GEE - -HOSSIE TOADS - -some things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer73 Here’s another one…Tarc was a total KU lean, and in one visit to AZ, he dumps us like Chris Beard did Vegas. How much was Tarc paid?
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Another thing is - -Ol stumpy may very well have criminal charges if this is proven they talking about if they find out money was actually exchanged. – In the wire tap the agent asked Miller if he wanted him to deal with one of the assistants Miller said NO when it comes to money deal with me.
But they said if money actually exchanged hands across state lines then we dealing with Innerstate Commerce - as we know Book Richardson is facing up to 60 yrs in prison.
Stumpy - - - - HANG ON TO YOUR SOAP BUDDY - - -DON’T DROP THE SOAP. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Sean Miller, you are donzo! Completely complicit wow.
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Haven’t heard Coach Self’s name come up, so I’m good!
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No, I don’t feel sorry for Sean Miller. Anyone so foolish to discuss 100,000 dollars for a recruit deserves all the repercussions from it. It does make me wonder as a B1G fan if his brother would/has done the same thing at Indiana. If I feel sorry for anyone it’s the Zona player and fan who were in the dark about this and now their season is down the tubes and they’re left to wonder what they did to deserve this.
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@wissox Ayton told KU he was coming here. Days before he committed to AZ. Sean Miller can suck eggs.
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wissox said:
No, I don’t feel sorry for Sean Miller. Anyone so foolish to discuss 100,000 dollars for a recruit deserves all the repercussions from it. It does make me wonder as a B1G fan if his brother would/has done the same thing at Indiana. If I feel sorry for anyone it’s the Zona player and fan who were in the dark about this and now their season is down the tubes and they’re left to wonder what they did to deserve this.
I don’t think Archie is in the same situation yet. Sean was under a huge amount of pressure to deliver at least a final four. He was underachieving.
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wissox said:
No, I don’t feel sorry for Sean Miller. Anyone so foolish to discuss 100,000 dollars for a recruit deserves all the repercussions from it. It does make me wonder as a B1G fan if his brother would/has done the same thing at Indiana. If I feel sorry for anyone it’s the Zona player and fan who were in the dark about this and now their season is down the tubes and they’re left to wonder what they did to deserve this.
There you go. I feel sorry for my grandparents, they live near Tucson and are Arizona fans. I don’t feel sorry for Stumpy or any of the players that took money. The clean players in his program are getting screwed too.
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ESPN’s Mark Schlabach mentions on SportsCenter that Arizona told him that the program is standing by Sean Miller’s statement in October claiming his innocence. - per UA message site.
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LOL
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Steve “Chief” Burt @Chiefzona1472 Why didn’t Miller pay 100 grand for a point guard??? Freakin idiot.
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BUT WAIT …THERE’S MORE…
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Zona just needs to forfeit the rest of the season lol.
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Lonzo Ball on today’s Yahoo! report: “Everybody knows everybody’s getting paid. That’s how it is. If everybody’s getting paid anyway might as well make it legal.” 1:41 PM - Feb 23, 2018
How pervasive is this really?!? We tend to gravitate to the “one lone gunman” theory in our country so we can get closure and move on quickly. Is Miller a loner or just the ‘scapegoat’? Hard to believe his contract would pay out a ‘for cause’ termination if others were not complicit. Hard to believe he would discuss matters over phone wires unless he felt secure in his dealings – phones are typically for ordinary/routine business negotiations. I would have preferred that he was caught conducting a clandestine meeting under a bridge in the dark of night.
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I’ve got it on good authority that Stumpy Miller is not going to replace Self at KU when Self retires.
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@CRH107 the ones who get caught are always the ones that get comfortable and lazy. Just like any Ponzi scheme, Enron, or any other major fraud case. It’s because those who are covering it up normalize their actions to themselves and eventually become lazy. Clearly this is what happened to Miller.
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I don’t feel any kind of sorry for Miller. Like, at all. His goose is cooked man!! The feds got him on wiretap. Its a done deal. He will lose his job like Pitino did.
KU and Coach Self on the other hand? Like I said before, I have severe doubts about any wrong doing on KU’s part. I hope Im right. If probation is necessary, fine. But, man I hope we don’t have to vacate any titles or wins cuz of it.
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KansasComet said:
Haven’t heard Coach Self’s name come up, so I’m good!
Exactly or assistants
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Now the fallout begins. I hope this doesn’t discourage Romeo Langford against KU and uses good judgement as he finalizes/ed his choice.
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The lack of anything of substance connecting KU to anything is a major positive. It also sounds like, with the denial from JJ’s mom, there would be no KU knowledge of the transaction. That is important.
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If Miller and ayton coach and play I’ll never speak of Arizona ever
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@HighEliteMajor Agree.
Gotta believe this “loan” operation is mostly a cash business…in the absence of a verifiable paper trail it really does come down to one person’s word over another. My money is on JJ’s mom.
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Miller will not coach, no word on ayton yet
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The thing is Jones doesn’t have to speak to anyone from the ncaa. Her son doesn’t go to college anymore, she doesn’t have to provide a paper trail to them if there is one. The fbi could, and turn that info over to the ncaa which would change things.
She allegedly received the money before her son signed anywhere. He was not under Kansas watch.
He was eligible through ncaa and ku compliance.
Until the program is connected to this there is absolutely no way they can be held accountabe
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Well this completely explains his ability to almost overnight land top guys… to Arizona -decidedly not a blue blood program.
I know they are not all expecting some sort of $, but this is why I really have soured on these OAD types…
Self is clean - we will get thru this.
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It’s not just oads getting paid. Loads of players anywhere near the top 100 of the rankings really.
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@BShark Good point - the question is where this would fall off… what ranking must you have to expect some sort of under the table $ offer
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Bridges will play today, the university and the NCAA have worked together for the last 24 hours and have deemed his situation not at risk potential retribution. That’s the fastest the NCAA has ever worked for a team not on the east and very interesting to say the least.
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kjayhawks said:
Bridges will play today, the university and the NCAA have worked together for the last 24 hours and have deemed his situation not at risk potential retribution. That’s the fastest the NCAA has ever worked for a team not on the east and very interesting to say the least.
UK cleared Knox real quick too.
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I think we will see the NCAA and Division I teams working together like never before…suddenly they have an intruder/enemy in common.
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BeddieKU23 said:
Miller will not coach, no word on ayton yet
They have to bench him and at least show some type of actions against the allegations. But the damage is done, why not go ahead and play him?
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BShark said:
kjayhawks said:
Bridges will play today, the university and the NCAA have worked together for the last 24 hours and have deemed his situation not at risk potential retribution. That’s the fastest the NCAA has ever worked for a team not on the east and very interesting to say the least.
UK cleared Knox real quick too.
hahahahahahahahaha…this is a joke and why this is not going to be worth the time they spent finding this mess. They can’t legally let MSU and Bridges off this easily. This simply means the KU findings prove to be a joke finding. They had to throw something out against KU.
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Gorilla72 said:
ESPN’s Mark Schlabach mentions on SportsCenter that Arizona told him that the program is standing by Sean Miller’s statement in October claiming his innocence. - per UA message site.
Audacious and arrogance, WOW
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@truehawk93 I’m glad this investigation is now. Even I have my doubts with Sherron, Julian and Arthur. I do believe that Self has layers of separation anyway though. Our recent recruiting would indicate that even if Self had some suspicious things before maybe he is more on the up and up now. One can hope.
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Not happy it is Arizona but in some perverse way, I am delighted that Arizona and other programs are giving Yahoo, et. al. a big ‘screw you’.
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CRH107 said:
Not happy it is Arizona but in some perverse way, I am delighted that Arizona and other programs are giving Yahoo, et. al. a big ‘screw you’.
ohhhhhh…please remember all the recruits Zona signed at the final hour. I am very happy that his recruiting practices have been exposed.
Do you remember the bigs and pgs he took from KU?
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Absolutely and agree with you! Just tired of ‘rolling over’ every time someone points a finger or brings up an allegation. How can the NCAA possible clear someone in 24 hours when it took an eternity with Preston??
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@CRH107 The legal teams at UK, MSU etc are obviously just that much better!
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Miller’s not coaching, but I’m confused at Emmert’s latest comment. This gets more ridiculous by the article. Why would you launch a probe and then not look into or take some actions? Oh wait, it’s about the money. Now we know what the F4 sponsors are doing right now.
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…and accomplished it after normal business hours and over a weekend…only thing that would make it more impressive is some kind of holiday I missed yesterday!
