Kansas finishes up recruiting class ranked #48 in the land
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Just looking at a list of Possible Grad Transfers, there are players to be had. I’d try bringing in at least 1 QB. Jacob Park or Wilton Speight. Both have had a little bit of success at a P5 level. Keller Chryst is transferring from Stanford lol.
I really think bolstering the roster with Grad transfers is the best way to go. Take as many that want to come as possible. It effects recruiting none whatsoever and at least gives you bodies. If you take 10 of them and 3 pan out, it was a great strategy.
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Not a bad group overall. Beaty needs to have a better season to solidify his footing so he can recruit. By having people calling for a change, it undercut some of the progress Beaty made on the recruiting trail.
The grad transfer route may be beneficial. KU needs a few guys to solidify the team and help steady Beaty’s job while the younger guys develop.
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Kcmatt7 said:
Just looking at a list of Possible Grad Transfers, there are players to be had. I’d try bringing in at least 1 QB. Jacob Park or Wilton Speight. Both have had a little bit of success at a P5 level. Keller Chryst is transferring from Stanford lol.
I really think bolstering the roster with Grad transfers is the best way to go. Take as many that want to come as possible. It effects recruiting none whatsoever and at least gives you bodies. If you take 10 of them and 3 pan out, it was a great strategy.
Is our oline good enough to trot out someone like Park or Speight? They might die lol.
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@BShark Can’t you just let me have the dream?
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@Kcmatt7 I am the dream crusher, sorry.
But I would agree that getting some grad transfers would be a good option to try and fill some holes.
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I would avoid grad transfers from other P5 programs. There’s a reason why those guys are leaving their previous program and it’s usually because they aren’t good enough. I would actually look to the FCS and Group of 5 schools because those are going to be the kids looking for exposure and prove themselves against better competition.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Russell Wilson being the obvious exception! Still my favorite Badger season.
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Players from Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and others that are not good enough to start at those programs would be stars at KU.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Players from Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and others that are not good enough to start at those programs would be stars at KU.
Daylon Charlot and Charles Baldwin from Alabama say hi, as do all the other failed transfers we’ve had from Notre Dame, Florida, and Nebraska in the past few years.
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Charlot was one year WR that could not cut it at Alabama and was converted to safety at KU. Baldwin a JuCo player transfer kicked off the program at Alabama in his first year at that program…neither a quality graduate transfer.
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@JayHawkFanToo That’s the point, that’s the majority of transfers from P5 programs. They left their previous programs because they weren’t good enough.
Those other schools I mentioned were very deliberate as well. KU had failed transfers from each of those schools as well.
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No, regular first or second year players that don’t cut it at a big program and transfer having tonsit one year are quite different than capable upperclassmen that graduate and have one year of eligibility left and just want to start that one last year.
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@JayHawkFanToo Whats you point? We have had guys transfer that had 2 or 3 years left and guys that were grad transfers, none of which really did a damn thing. Most the time people transfer from big 5 schools as a grad or not is because they ain’t playing. An FCS or smaller school transfer could be because they want to be seen and have a better chance to get to the NFL.
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The point is that you said you would avoid graduate transfer and compare them to regular transfers who they are not. I would definitely consider graduate transfers since they would likely be better player that the 2 or 3 star players KU has been getting. KU needs any help it can get.
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@JayHawkFanToo But as @Texas-Hawk-10 has said we have had several of them not do much ether.
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@JayHawkFanToo Dayne Crist, Mike Ragone, Josh Williams, Kent Taylor. Those guys were all grad transfers from other P5 programs, Notre Dame ×2, Nebraska, and Florida specifically. Williams was the only halfway decent player for KU, but hardly an impact player.
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…and how much are our regular recruits doing?
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Without a decent supporting cast a QB is just a sitting duck taking hit after hit. Christ’s numbers were considerably better at ND where he had a decent team than at KU; Christ was better than anything KU had and Cummins started playing once the season was lost and with an eye to the future. Unlike basketball where 2 or 3 players can make all the difference, in football you need a heck of a lot more than that and KU cannot afford to be too picky.
Under class men that transfer from a big program do it because they cannot cut it, or are told they will be cut, or in some cases expelled from the program and the receiving program has to waste a scholarship while they red shirt. Graduate transfers have typically been with the program for 3 or 4 years and come ready to play without having to sit one year. Likely better than the JuCo players KU is now recruiting, wouldn’t you agree? Didn’t KU get the top JuCo player and he didn’t even finish the season?
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@JayHawkFanToo Are you serious right now? Dayne Crist transferred to KU because he wasn’t good enough to start at Notre Dame, Mike Ragone transferred from Notre Dame because he wasn’t good enough to play at Notre Dame. Same with the other graduate transfers.
Do you seriously think if that Florida St. kid was going to play a lot of snaps at FSU next year that he would still be coming to Kansas? Hell no! And the same goes for any other graduate transfer from a top tier football program.
Name one graduate transfer that has come to KU from another P5 program and made a significant positive impact on the field.
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Now, you are grasping at straws. Maybe you should re-read my posts. I did not say the graduate transfers were starters at big programs, in fact, I said quite the opposite…
“Players from Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and others that are not good enough to start at those programs would be stars at KU.”
Obviously if they were good enough to start at those programs they would not be transferring, right?
You think KU should stay away from graduate transfers and I say what do we have to lose considering that what we have had to date has produced a total of 3 wins and 1 conference win in the last 3 years. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
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@JayHawkFanToo You’re the one who needs to go back and reread previous posts because there’s nowhere that I said KU should stay away from graduate transfers. I said they need to stay away from P5 graduate transfers and only take them from FCS and Group of 5 schools because those are the kids looking to move in competition. P5 transfers are looking to move down in competition and you claim those players are better than the 2 and 3 star players KU brings in when history says that’s false.
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You say don’t get P5 grad transfers and I say let’s do. We just agree to disagree.
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The only reason whatsoever I say to go after grad transfers at all is so that we fill some depth. We have open scholarships and no depth. This is a pretty consequence free way to build depth imo.
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@Kcmatt7 Those guys count against scholarship limits for recruiting classes and take away a spot from a HS kid that could spend 4-5 years in the program and contribute for multiple seasons.
12 JuCo and grad transfers combined is not a good thing for long term depth for a program.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 We still have 6 scholarships available this season. If we have no HS prospects left, it only makes sense. (Potentially 8 if we can somehow squeeze in two more early enrollees). I mean, put yourself in Beaty’s shoes. Only way he keeps his job after this season is wins. He probably isn’t landing a HS kid that can contribute next season. So his only hope is to bring in as many D1 ready bodies as possible and pray that a few of them can actually play some damn football.
Is the right move for the program to bring in 6 HS projects? Absolutely. But that just isn’t the scenario that we are in right now. We have a coach that is just desperately trying to win games at this point. A coach that we can’t fire because then no good coach in their right mind would come here so they can ruin there careers in 3 quick seasons. But, by keeping Beaty, we probably decimate our roster all over again and continue the cycle.
I don’t know what the solution is. I just know what I would do if I was in Beaty’s shoes.
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@Kcmatt7 KU doesn’t have 25 scholarships available this year. Beaty counted enough forward from last year that KU doesn’t have the 25 max to offer this year. 19 or 20 was the cap this year and Beaty maxed it out.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Do you have a scholarship chart somewhere?
All I can see is we signed 22 last year and 20 so far this season with 1 early enrolled player.
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I was going to ask the same question as @BShark . I seem to remember that for the last few years KU did not fill all the available scholarships and the talk was that KU did not have enough players to compete since it did not fill the allowed scholarships.
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Some college programs do something called a grayshirt. That’s where somebody may enroll in the spring semester or summer time after the class is complete. Coaches will count those players forward a class. That’s why KU doesn’t always have a 25 man class.
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Interesting that Beaty recently declined to disclose how many players KU has on scholarship, makes you wonder why.
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@JayHawkFanToo Maybe if there are too few, the walkons would start clamoring.
Do we have any walkons? I remember a couple of walkaways…
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Lots of walk on players. I believe the roster at the KU website lists 105 players. My point was that if there are scholarships available, graduate transfers from major programs is a good option since they are immediately eligible and hopefully ready to contribute and lock the scholarship for only one year…better than picking up JuCo players. Others obviously disagree.
