Billy
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@BShark gut feeling?
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I’m a little less bullish than @BShark on this one. I think he plays before the first of the year, but it may not be imminent.
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Are you guys thinking that the games before then will be counted as part of an upcoming ruling from the NCAA with an X number of games suspension?
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Yep. Seems like SOP from the NCAA these days.
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That should apply especially since KU held him out as soon as they found out. It would seem very unfair to slap more games on without counting the games he’s missed since KU was aware of the issue.
I can’t see the first game counting because that was a Coaches decision suspension.
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Given the environment (NCAA-FBI-lingering) has a KU player made a more bone-headed decision under Self?
I know we’ve had plenty of bad situations over the years but this one feels like it takes the cake? Anyone disagree? What else has baffled us fans over the years
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CJ Giles walking out on child support and beating up his GF certainly qualifies.
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With the NCAA you never know. Of course it it would have been Duke, UNC or UK the issue would have been resolved by now with a slap on the wrist.
I believe that if Preston and family would have been forthcoming about the situation it would have been resolved one way or another by now. My guess is they tried to come up with plausible explanation and wasted time in the process.
I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, a top prospect and family would not be aware of what is or isn’t permissible. Whatever happened had to be done knowing it was not on the up and up…so stupid.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
CJ Giles walking out on child support and beating up his GF certainly qualifies.
Forgot about that one. Which is why I asked.
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The basketball-football team fighst are right up there.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if everything you said was the truth. Even though KU’s compliance might have provided all the details I’m sure the NCAA would still do its own investigation which takes time.
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The NCAA provide High Schools extensive literature on rules and regulations and most HS have seminars for players (that will be moving to college) and their parent on what the rules are. Top prospects also visit with each other extensively at the Summer Circuit and are given compliance information by the programs that re recruiting them. It is really widely available and claiming ignorance is the equivalent of claiming not knowing smoking causes cancer.
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Guys I need more insider info on Billy STAT. The thought of Billy, Desouza and Cunliffe all joining the team is exciting as hell.
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Would the nine game suspsion include the games he’s already sat out?
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I like were your heads at. Why not get some big body football players to eat some minutes. He’ll who knows maybe a couple of them can actually ball a little.
They could be walkon’s for the basketball team. I would assume they would already be on scholarships. So no extra cost.
In fact the more I think about this. Let’s do this. You get Coach’s number and will have @approxinfinity give him a call and pitch the idea.
Hey post player bodies is exactly what this teams need. If only to eat minutes and foul like mad men.
I’m in.
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@BeddieKU23 No way. Id put any other former Jayhawk that got a DUI or that beat up their girlfriend way way way above what Preston did.
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@jaybate-1.0 @jaybate-1.0 I like your quote/reference. I think I first came across that in a book called The Invisible Hand: A Conspiratorial view of History. Wilson definitely didn’t like the Constitution and the constraints it put on government
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@jayballer54 opportunities to take the test come faster than getting results sometimes
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I’m a little less bullish than @BShark on this one. I think he plays before the first of the year, but it may not be imminent.
You are probably right. 6 or 9 games makes the most sense.
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Lulufulu said:
@BeddieKU23 No way. Id put any other former Jayhawk that got a DUI or that beat up their girlfriend way way way above what Preston did.
I agree there have been situations involving players where the act has been much greater then Preston’s situation. I suppose I should have asked the question differently.
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You know it’s got to the point where this Billy thing has gotten beyond crazy. We know still really nothing, OH sure we have people who say they have inside info - -they have a friend who has a friend , of a friend, that has a friend that has a close inside source - -now I have to say - -HA. - - -the real truth is NOBODY knows anything more then what we did - -anything being spread around is merely speculation.
You have people saying oh, well my friend says it’s just a 6 game suspension - -or a friend that says it’s a 9 game suspension, then some say he will never play. - - -People say oh rumor has it the car is from some famous KU alum, Or it’s his car his mom got it for him or what the hell ever. – Bottom line is we DON’T KNOW NOTHING period. - -
Feel like sometimes when you hear all this stuff contradicting other things being said makes me feel like we are in a room full of old ladies in rockers drinking hot tea and hoping to be the one to break hot gossip. - - No one knows anything - -well in these forums anyways, not concrete 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt, and without knowing for sure that’s how things spin out of control.
I think it’s just time that we center our focus more on now of hoping De-Sousa makes an early appearance, go on the assumption , that we just don’t know when or IF Billy is coming back - - leave it at that and move on - - at this point from everything flying around I think our chances are better with the De-Sousa situation then with Billy right now. - -Is Billy a better player then DeSousa? – I don’t think so - at least not by much, so we get De-Sousa - it comes out as an even wash - - This Billy thing has wore me out. Is he coming back - - isn’t he going to be able to come back, - - Did he take impermissible benefits - -Didn’t he, it’s becoming a yearly thing with KU - having players in trouble of some sort or another, we just need to focus now on the players we DO have and just let the other sort it’s self out
Another thing that chaps my ass? - We have people out there not her that I’ve seen but in other places that say - -Where is Coach self in all this , where is the assistants - -they are suppose to watch these things. - -Who says they aren’t? - - People trying to blame Self and assistants for some of these - - - Saying it their fault - -it’s the Coach - - -really? - - seriously? - - If that’s the case then - -I haven’t seen SVI in any kind of trouble since he has been here - -I haven’t seen/heard about any trouble with Devonte - - -I haven’t heard anything about Mitch - - - I haven’t heard anything bad on Doke - - Frank not a peep last year about trouble with him - -Didn’t hear anything about Mario when he was here anything bad - -but you wanna say it’s the Coach’s fault for these things? – -get the hell out of here with that - -I say HA. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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One thing that we can be fairly certain about is that the car in question was not obtained on the up and up. Had he or his mom bought the car with their own money, this issue would have been resolved in 5 minutes. The fact it is taking this long would appear to indicate serious issues that will likely result in some sort of penalty from the NCAA…don’t need any inside information or friend of a friend to infer this much, right?
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JayHawkFanToo said:
One thing that we can be fairly certain about is that the car in question was not obtained on the up and up. Had he or his mom bought the car with their own money, this issue would have been resolved in 5 minutes. The fact it is taking this long would appear to indicate serious issues that will likely result in some sort of penalty from the NCAA…don’t need any inside information or friend of a friend to infer this much, right?
Exactly right. – -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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We see the 6 and 9 game suspensions as common results so I think people are throwing those out because that’s often what you see in extra benefit cases. He’s already missed 5 for the issue so if anyone is guessing correctly they are just assuming after this game or after that game for when he might be coming back
If Billy gets some leniency in this situation as other KU players have gotten in the past when they make their decision they can use the games he’s already missed during the de-facto suspension towards the final # of games especially since KU has withheld him once they found out about the issue.
The thing that matters the most is how much money we are talking. A 6 or 9 game suspension would likely indicate that Billy received “x” amount of benefits from whoever and that falls within “x” criteria for games missed. Of course the NCAA tends to make up their own rules as they see fit but if this is a simple case where Billy accepted a car then the value of the car or for example money provided to purchase it becomes the most important factor in how many games he’s supposed to miss.
If this is more complicated then that well I would assume that looks bad. A Dodge Charger isn’t cheap, some players have been ruled ineligible for the year if the $ amount is such an amount. Enes Kanter of Kentucky in 2011 comes to mind of one player ineligible for the entire year for accepting 33 grand while playing overseas.
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Soon my friends.
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@FarmerJayhawk how 'bout Saturday?
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Probably not that soon. Would be terrific though.
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@FarmerJayhawk you hear anything?
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HawkChamp said:
@FarmerJayhawk you hear anything?
Probably has similar sources (or the same) as Matt Scott. Sounds like this will be cleared up soon.
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KU has finished its internal work, just needs the NCAA to say it suffices.
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@BShark what is Matt Scott saying? I haven’t seen anything
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Just saw it on another site. Would be tremendous to get him back. Hes the guy we need to take us to another level and compete inside with Duke.
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Matt Scott posted on the Shiver but it is a VIP post so I could not read it.
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@JayHawkFanToo is Matt Scott a reliable source?
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One thing is for sure… if Billy has hopes of leaving school for the NBA this spring, he’ll have to earn his stat line against better teams.
Kind of makes me wonder if this situation has put a hitch in Self’s recruiting plans.
What if BOTH Doke and Billy want to return next year?
It’s starting to already look obvious that our 4-guard offense is going bye-bye. I have to admit I will be sad if that happens.
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As good or as bad as any. Sometimes he gets it right and sometimes he does not. The only people with the inside scoop are Coach Self and staff and there are saying nuthin’.
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positive update for once!~
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JayHawkFanToo said:
As good or as bad as any. Sometimes he gets it right and sometimes he does not. The only people with the inside scoop are Coach Self and staff and there are saying nuthin’.
I believe he has good legit sources within the program but of course people can get lied to anyway. Like Tarc said he was coming here for example. The only thing I really didn’t like was how he handled the Trae Young recruitment.
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drgnslayr said:
One thing is for sure… if Billy has hopes of leaving school for the NBA this spring, he’ll have to earn his stat line against better teams.
Kind of makes me wonder if this situation has put a hitch in Self’s recruiting plans.
What if BOTH Doke and Billy want to return next year?
It’s starting to already look obvious that our 4-guard offense is going bye-bye. I have to admit I will be sad if that happens.
Preston will leave anyway. I think Self has all the bigs signed for next year that he would want.
Next year’s team won’t really have the shooting prowess to play a bunch of 4 out 1 in. We will be back to opposing teams clogging the paint against us. It will be kind of an odd situation. One of our better shooters will be Dedric, a forward.
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Matt Scott is now shooting from the hip I feel pretty good this will be resolved in a favourable manner.
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BShark said:
Preston will leave anyway.
Why will Billy leave anyway?
If he isn’t high on the draft boards, you think he would rather fight his way through the NBA D-league than remain in Lawrence? He has elite potential.
If he transfers he sits a year, meaning at least two more years in college.
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Because it is what he and his mom plan to do. He will play in Europe if he has to. There is not a possibility of a second year at KU this is similar to Cheick.
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BShark said:
Because it is what he and his mom plan to do. He will play in Europe if he has to. There is not a possibility of a second year at KU this is similar to Cheick.
Agree , Billy will not be coming back - pretty simple. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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BShark said:
Because it is what he and his mom plan to do. He will play in Europe if he has to. There is not a possibility of a second year at KU this is similar to Cheick.
Let’s hope it’s not similar to Cliff…
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Well read an article this morning from the zags blog site. - The wording kind of surprised me, Coach Self stated that they were going to practice Sosinski the rest of the week and then make a decision next week if they could use him or not.
That in it’s self isn’t what surprised me. - What surprised me was him saying that they were using him as a practice player. Said it was not strategic plan to add depth to the roster, but for practice - - -I for sure would think as far as practice - -we are good already for practice- -including bigs, I mean we have BOTH Lawson brothers for practice then we have Moore & Cunliffe - that sure threw me a curve. - Practice is not where he is truly needed I wouldn’t think,
He said that it MAY be possible that he might get in possibly for a minute or two at the end of the game like Tehan & Young – I for sure thought he was needed WAY more as a spot player in case of foul trouble from Doke & Mitch during game situations - -I don’t get it. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 maybe Self is saving face by saying practice player only? You’re right, we have plenty of depth in practice. Unless he wants our guys to play through contact with a mountain of muscle. Maybe he doesn’t want Doke banging as much in practice to limit wear so SodaPop could spell him?
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I think Self is worried about Wear and Tear on his guys especially as the season progresses.
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Maybe the Lawson’s don’t bang hard enough to challenge Dok in practice?
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All of the responses I’ve read I believe responding to what I read were very good. - - I have trouble with just them using him as a practice player, under the assumption the Lawson brothers don’t bang hard enough, not that is a bad response - -just saying surely not. - - The wear and rear on Doke? - -possibly. - -maybe wanting to reduce the risk of injury during a practice? - -hell I don’t know lol.
I just think a much bigger need for depth on the roster for game conditions. - We need a legit body that can mop up if the regular 2 we have get in foul trouble - -even if it is only 4-5 minutes. - -I just feel when this is all said and done - -yes he will be added as a walk on - -& yes he will see some spot duty for a while - at least till De-souse gets here or Billy gets reinstated. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
